Dale
43 posts
Sep 03, 2009
4:41 AM
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Hey Guys,
Can you guys tell me why the NBRC takes half of the FF entry money ? Wouldn't it be more fair if there was a same set dollar amount for everyone. I was surprised at my regions entry fee this year, almost doubled from last year. My Rd explaines that the NBRC takes half, the rest to cover hotels, gas, ect...
Just wondering!! Dale
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J_Star
2136 posts
Sep 03, 2009
5:16 AM
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The NBRC takes $20.00 from every entry to support the finals judge and expenses.
Jay
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Ballrollers
GOLD MEMBER
2029 posts
Sep 03, 2009
6:49 AM
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Dale
The NBRC charges the region $20 per kit entered, to cover the cost of flying the judge around to the finalists. The regions take everything over what the NBRC charges, to cover the costs of the regional judges expenses. Since no two regions operate alike or have the same regional expenses, there is differences in what regional fees are. For example the driving expenses in Texas would be significantly higher than in a small 10-flyer region in California where the flyers live within a few minutes of each other.
So the NBRC fee is the same across the board for each kit entered... $20. The regional fees are based on costs and they can vary region to region, larger regions with fewer flyers may have higher expenses than a smaller region with more flyers. Make sense, now?
Cliff
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fhtfire
2067 posts
Sep 03, 2009
6:55 AM
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I will use region 9B for example.....The way we do it is the first kit is paid for by the entrant. The second kit is paid for by our local club...only if you are a club member. So for each entrant it would be 40.00 for two kits...but it is only 20.00 due to the club paying for the second kit....then I add additional money for fly expenses...like fuel, lunch for the judge on all days, Doughnuts in the morning, and a BBQ on one of the fly days....so this year I charged each flier 15.00 in addition to there kit entry of 20.00... for a total of 35.00 per flier......last year it was 40.00 per flier due top higher gasa prices. This year is cheaper. Any left over money will go back into the club...
Oh...we also use the money to pick up the finals judge (fuel), Finals judge lunch etc. Last year I think there was like 5.00 left over....
So each region does it different.
rock and ROLL
Paul
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Ballrollers
GOLD MEMBER
2032 posts
Sep 03, 2009
8:38 AM
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Paul,
Many regions are sponsoring events or having local clubs assist with the expenses in order to keep the costs down for the flyers......Sounds like you guys are doing a particularly good job, because I think you have about the lowest fees for flyers that I have seen! Good work!
Cliff
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Dale
44 posts
Sep 03, 2009
9:36 AM
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Hey guys, thanks for clearing that up for me. So it is $20.00 per kit to the NBRC, that's fine because I've always supported the club. My inventation states that the cost this year is $80.00 for one or two kits, so still $80.00 bucks even if I only fly one kit. In an e-mail to the region RD, he states that half goes to the NBRC.
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J_Star
2141 posts
Sep 03, 2009
10:01 AM
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It would be half if you fly two kits. The way I do it is set one fee for one kit and a different fee for the second kit if they chose to fly two. However, the second fee is just to cover the NBRC fees since the judge is already going to judge one kit, then why not judge two without additional cost. To me, reducing the cost of competion will bring more people to participate.
Jay
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donnie james
686 posts
Sep 03, 2009
12:55 PM
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how much is the cost of the fall fly i been out of the fall fly about 15 years and thinking to get back in the game BUT i'm on a fix income if its to high i wouldn't fly other things comes 1st...........donny james
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nicksiders
GOLD MEMBER
3644 posts
Sep 03, 2009
5:25 PM
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I can tell you that once a Regional RD has to fly some in and out to judge the region's fly; buys fuel to transport the judge through the region; some meals; and some motel rooms the RD is taking a good deal of money from his own pocket. That happens in a few regions that are large and takes a week or a good part of a week to cover. I do not begrudge doing this one bit! The RD's I know are reluctant to charge more than what has historically been charged. There are people who just don't have the cash these days and then there are some cheap bastards that are just waiting for an excuss to bark or bulk. I just don't want anyone not competing for the lack of cash. I will find a way to cover.
It is all good!!
Don't forget that there is also a requirement for membership of $25 annually. To fly two 20 Bird Kits in Region 5 you are looking at $70 plus $25. It is close to $100 a year for that part of the hobby.
$70 for two kits is pretty darn reasonable and it only is a one time occurrence for the year with the NBRC. $40 dollars goes to the NBRC. In Region 5 this year id you fly a 20 Bird Kit and a 11 Bird kit the charge is $60 in an attempt to draw interest to the 11 Bird Kit
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Just My Take On Things
Nick Siders
Last Edited by on Sep 03, 2009 5:28 PM
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macsrollers
182 posts
Sep 03, 2009
9:04 PM
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It's tough for the Regional Directors and clubs to set a price that works for everyone. Like Nick stated, some can't afford it and some just aren't willing to pay. But they sure can afford their 18 pack and other indulgences! To each their own but the idea of a club is to support each other so everyone can fly. Most Regional Directors end up eating part of the cost, whether it be cash out of pocket, having to take a vacation day or even unpaid time off of work to pick up, house, feed, and transport the judge. Then he also has to chase down guys to get their entry money in on time. Regional Directors are under appreciated and you have to have a true love for the hobby to take on that responsiblity. Everyone who wants to fly please help your RD by paying on time, bringing the money to him- not making him come and get it, and offer support in all the other aspects of putting a fly together. Don't take your RD or the NBRC for granted. Unless you have been or are a Regional Director you haven't experienced what I am talking about. HELP HIM OUT! Enjoy your next fly!
Don M. Mac's Roller LVRC
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rtwilliams
GOLD MEMBER
435 posts
Sep 03, 2009
9:41 PM
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Donny
Utah's fees are $30 for the first kit and $20 for the second.
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RT Williams
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spanky
873 posts
Sep 05, 2009
10:13 PM
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DALE IM THE RD FOR 9A $40 ONE KIT $65 TWO KITS. TELL YOU WHAT ITS HARD FOR THE RD TO KEEP THE PRICE DOWN. AFTER FEEDING THE PRILIMS JUDGE AND GAS AND THE FINAL JUDGE AND HOTEL. MONEY WILL COME OUT OF MY POCKET. AND THATS NOT RIGTH. NOT ALOT OF PEOPLE APPRECIATE WHAT THE RD'S DO FOR THE REGION. AND WE DONT GET PAID, WE DO IT FOR THE HOBBIE.
SPANKY
SGVS
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donnie james
694 posts
Sep 05, 2009
10:21 PM
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hay randy thanks i'm short this year maybe next year i'll have the money.....................donny james
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Dale
45 posts
Sep 08, 2009
4:49 AM
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Spanky,
I get the impression that I may have hit a nerve with you on my question, with the big blue lettering you chose to post with.I have the upmost respect for the Rd,s, and don't expect them to have to pay out of thier own pocket to cover expences. However I do think that $80.00 is alot of money to fly a kit of birds, that's enough money to feed my birds the entire winter.I would gladly pay the $40.00 to fly one kit like region 9A, but that's not the case in my region, it's $80.00 bucks or nothing.
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fhtfire
2079 posts
Sep 08, 2009
4:02 PM
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80 seems a little steep to me....unless you get money back at the end if it does not get spent.....That is 40 per person for expenses....that seems high...I only charge 15 per person for expenses...and that covers ...fuel...judges meals, doughnuts, BBQ(hotdogs) and finals judge fuel....if I need more I just ask.....I figure....if you get it as close as possible...then you will get more fliers keeping the cost down...and if we are 20.00 short at the end...I will collect a couple bucks from each flier...to cover the expense...easy to get 2 dollars each later then try and pay 80.00 all at once....
Our club also pays for the second kit.....so basially each flier in 9B pays a grand total of 35.00...and we also have a help out plan...if you have lost your job or going through hard times....you can exercise the hard luck clause and the club pays for everything.
rock and ROLL
Paul
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Ballrollers
GOLD MEMBER
2046 posts
Sep 08, 2009
7:30 PM
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Gentlemen,
I am in the unique position to observe how many regions operate and I can assure you that no two do it exactly the same. There are many different ways to finance the regions NBRC regional and finals fly. There are ways to get more men involved and spread out the financial costs without expecting the RD to "DO IT ALL".
If the RD chooses he can do it all. But if he has limited time and funding, there is nothing wrong in asking all flyers to participate in housing, feeding and most importantly, transporting the judge from loft to loft.
I know of such regions and it works, because all those who want to fly, make it work.
Truth be known, an RD only needs to set up the schedule and find a regional judge, If all flyers are willing to pitch in and be responsible. Placing a fraction of the financial responsibility on each flyer helps the RD and adds teamwork to the region.
EVERY region needs a way to generate money for the region to pay for the costs over and above the entry fees required by the NBRC. Many regions, once a year, plan a show, fly, picnic/raffle potluck affair , where the guys get together and discuss regional business.
There is no rule where a judge must be FLOWN in for a regional fly, which can be the biggest expense. Local panel judging done over a few weekends, or bringing in judge from a neghboring state, can greatly reduce costs. Money generated by a raffle can also help offset expenses.
There is nothing to make me think that fees will go DOWN and everything to make me think costs will continue to rise. That's just life.
There is no reason to burden the RD if each flyer will help house, feed and transport the judge HALF WAY TO THE NEXT FLYERS LOFT. Most flyers get a kick being able to spend quality time entertaining the judge.
The down side to having an RD who does it all, is when he is gone, the flyers are used to doing nothing and waiting for someone else to bring the judge to his loft. These flyers are "trained" to do nothing and if no one steps forward the whole region may collapse.
The answer is communication within the region, teamwork and regional funding. Find out what works best for your region. Volunteer to do something to help the RD do his job. If everybody does what he can, any job will be made easier.
Cliff
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