RodSD
342 posts
Sep 09, 2009
10:45 PM
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Is it possible to guess what family/strain of birds when they are flying or it is just a lucky guess? (This is probably a stupid question so you can just ignore it.)
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J_Star
2155 posts
Sep 10, 2009
5:25 AM
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Yes. Pensom. They all are descendant from that.
Jay
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katyroller
556 posts
Sep 10, 2009
7:51 AM
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I've heard folks say they can look at a bird and if it has a certain look they know it is of this or that family. I myself don't buy into it. The only family I know of where you can do this accurately is the Campbell strain. They tend to be ugly blue checks and run around calling everybody a mongrel! C'mon Scott have a laugh!
Tracey
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Windjammer Loft
943 posts
Sep 10, 2009
8:31 AM
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I believe the more experience and hands on practice a person has in a particular field. The better they get at it. So, time is the real factor.
Fly High and Roll On
Paul
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Scott
2552 posts
Sep 10, 2009
8:44 AM
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On the perch it can be fairly for easy for some if they havn't been crossed up, it is about looking at the pigeon, most see only the color, others see the pigeon , I'm not talking about a color bird thing here.
I remember handling Kenny Billings a R/R out of stock years ago, he looked into the eye and said "this is a cross" , I couldn't tell the difference at the time but once taking a closer look I realized I grabbed the wrong bird to show him.
I remember Kiser over here one time, there were a couple birds that he pointed out saying "that is down out of so and so" the bird he was refereing died 25 years prior if not longer, and he was right, simply because he looked at the pigeon itself.
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Scott Campbell
"It is about testicle fortitude !! "
Last Edited by on Sep 10, 2009 8:46 AM
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Ballrollers
GOLD MEMBER
2057 posts
Sep 10, 2009
12:08 PM
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Rod,
I've heard such stories, but I'd have to see it to believe it...in the air or on the perch. I would guarantee that I could put different birds in show cages from different families and only the lucky would be able to tell the families apart. In fact we almost did it at the North Carolina Convention just to see. But we opted for a contest to see if the best- performing birds could be selected from show cages (which they were not.)I just think that type is more consistant than ever before, and there has been so much crossing between families to muddy the waters even more that it is hard to tell the differences between families by type or performance any more.
Cliff
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George R.
60 posts
Sep 10, 2009
12:14 PM
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sure it is ,Example look at the Danny Horner birds or another example look at the Higgins Birds they have certain looks about them that I can spot right away.
The Turner even have there own look , not as profound as the other two family I mentioned but if you put all three in a show pen i bet you could tell the difference.
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wishiwon2
208 posts
Sep 10, 2009
2:22 PM
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Wrong Jay ... They do not all come from him.
("Yes. Pensom. They all are descendant from that.")
And yes, those that do not descend from Pensom lineage look similar to those that do. That applies to looks on the perch and traits in the air too.
Rod, I believe it is possible to guess what bloodlines birds originate from. Although, some are so similar in appearance and performance they may not be distinguishable. It takes someone with experience handling and observing lots of birds from lots of bloodlines (not me). I believe one of the easier attributes to decipher by is the birds pattern of developement and flight traits as young birds.
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Jon
If it were easy, everybody would do it
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harrison
1242 posts
Sep 10, 2009
2:50 PM
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If you have had years of hands on excperience with a certain line then yes I believe that you could tell if a bird comes from that line,
But like i said YEARS of excperience.
I dont believe you could just pick any bird from any loft and put a name on it.
They are all to much alike.
I believe that i could go into a loft and pick out a bird from the line i keep but only if its 110% pure.
And almost every guy on here can do that with the line they keep.
Good post mate.
Harrison H.K.R ROLLER LOFT HULL UK
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macsrollers
189 posts
Sep 10, 2009
9:16 PM
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Guessing strains while birds are flying would be just a guess based on certain aspect of their performance. But on the ground can be done with little or no guess work involved. A group of us were in Caliente, Nv. at Glen Van Roekel's for our fly and Doug Ouellette was the judge. Glen had birds from Don Ouellette. Glen was picking a bird out to give one of the guys and said it was out of something else. Doug said wait a minute that is straight bred out of Don Ouellette birds. After some debate Glen got his breeding records and humbly told Doug he was right. Glen had grabbed the wrong bird that he wanted to give the guy! At my house Doug was going thru some birds I bred out of his stuff and a debate started over a certain bird. I assured him that it was out of a specific pair of his, individually bred, and he was certain it was out of another pair. When I looked at my records there was a question mark because I had fostered eggs and wasn't definite on which eggs got switched where! There are guys like Doug who are purists when it comes to breeding rollers and their knowledge shows thru. Here is a guy that twice proved us wrong on his first visit to both our lofts. It was more amazing to me at the time as now that I have gained experience and knowledge I can identify certain families of rollers on my visits to other lofts. Still no where near as knowledgable as Doug. A great lesson on being observant when you are visiting other lofts. Don't just look at the pigeons, learn to look for certain traits and types and your knowledge will grow and grow. Enjoy your next fly! Don M. LVRC
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RodSD
343 posts
Sep 10, 2009
10:43 PM
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Thanks folks for the answer. I suppose time, observation and experience will help identify certain family/strain. I suppose mastery will come through after that.
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Ty Coleman
722 posts
Sep 12, 2009
5:19 AM
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I stoped by James Turners loft when I was getting started and I had 3 cages of birds in the back of the truck, I told him that they were of his family and he quickly corrected me that one of the red check hens was not out of his birds. I went to the cab and got my paper work out and he was correct it was a Romminger bird. I asked him if the color was wrong and he said no it's type was wrong for his family. I'm talking about 40 plus birds and he picked the one out. He also pointed out some crosses that I had but he was sure that one hen was not in the family at all.After a couple of years with his birds now I can tell by looking at some of the birds. In my breeder notes I have put * by some squeker numbers due to a certain look they have and all of the * have turned out for me so far. I'm not sure exactly what I see in the squeks but they just seem to have a look about them.
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Ty
Vapor Trail Lofts
Last Edited by on Sep 12, 2009 5:23 AM
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