steve49
239 posts
Sep 10, 2009
2:52 PM
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of the two YB kits i'm flying now, the older kit does mostly counter clockwise circles (one wing), which lessens the chance for performing. whereas, the younger kit predominately does figure eights, where the potential for more frequent rolling is increased. so, is this a learned trait? if so, how do you get a circling kit to do more figure eights? if its inherited, what is the trigger or is there one? or do i need to move a few of the older birds to the kit that's doing the figure 8's? i don't want the better kit to be effected by the non 8's birds. or is this just a lead bird that i haven't identified that's pulling the others?
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Steve in Blue Point, NY
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Oldfart
GOLD MEMBER
1437 posts
Sep 10, 2009
3:54 PM
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Steve, You answered your own question. It is most likely a bird turning them. When I have that problem, I start flying them a few at a time and when they stop circling and fly the way I want, I then add one bird at a time until they circle. The last bird added is a problem but not necessarily the only one. Stop flying the problem and add another until they are all in the kit and flying correctly. Now, rest the problem birds for a week and if the kit is flying the way you want, add them back one bird at a time, if they cause problems, I have a good recipe for pigeon pot pie. :)
Thom
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steve49
240 posts
Sep 10, 2009
5:49 PM
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Thom, you always make me smile. your suggestion sounds like sound advice, i'll have to give it a try. do your birds do figure eights most of the time? i really didn't know if it was something they would 'grow out of'. but since the older kit was doing the one wing thing, i had a feeling it might be a problem bird or two. thanx again
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Steve in Blue Point, NY
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Oldfart
GOLD MEMBER
1438 posts
Sep 10, 2009
6:17 PM
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Steve, I wish they would swing a steady figure eight but the truth is, only sometimes. I have a strong wind that causes a thermal just over the front of my property. The wind starts across a clear stretch that is about two miles across and over water. As it comes up and over my hill it is warmed by the ground, which I believe creates a strong up lifting thermal that creates a shear wall. It takes the young birds a while to find this but old birds will buck up against this updraft, hesitate and then break. When it's right they put on quite a show! Other times they are fighting into or against a gusty twenty plus M.P.H. wind. The only time they settle down and fly a true pattern is when they lift up over five hundred feet and I need binoculars just to see them.
Weed out the problems but other wise I think you are on the right path. :)
Take care!
Thom
Last Edited by on Sep 10, 2009 6:18 PM
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turkey buzzard
133 posts
Sep 11, 2009
5:54 AM
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Steve from your writting I also must ask If you are flying Kumro blood line birds most do that are from the New York area and they also have the same issues. It very well then could be an inherited type trait. Of all the fliers I saw in New York most birds flew on a left wing and as you say several breaks were lost.
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J_Star
2162 posts
Sep 11, 2009
6:06 AM
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Here is your answer and beleive me I had to go through it "If you want the birds to fly close together and dart about in small circles, feed them plenty of peas." Pensom wrote that.
So, cut the heavey protien out and they will correct in due time.
Jay
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az-je
62 posts
Sep 11, 2009
1:25 PM
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good info. thanks guys. something to evaluate and work on with my birds. i was wondering the same thing cuz mine tend to go more often to the right.
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Ragin Rollers
68 posts
Sep 11, 2009
5:15 PM
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Steve49
Well i had the same problem always on the left wing... Then some young started flying a figure eight so what i did was move one old bird in and one young bird out see where i am going then finally all my birds fly in a nice 8 pattern.. just rember if they stop then put that last bird back???
OOOO by the way one bird at a time about each week.
Ragin Rollers...
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steve49
248 posts
Sep 15, 2009
6:17 PM
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turkey buzzard, you hit the nail on the head, my birds are Kumro/JLSmith from Mike Rose. the younger kit is half way thru their moult, and i'm due to fly in the fall fly on friday. i'd just have to say now that it will be a waste of time and money, but i'm anxious to get my feet wet, and i'm going to fly anyway. i'll use mostly the birds from the younger kit, with a few of the better older birds mixed in. i was away all weekend, and couldn't experiment like i wanted.
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Steve in Blue Point, NY
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steve49
252 posts
Sep 18, 2009
6:46 PM
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just a headsup with the one wing flying issue, i followed Oldfart's advice, and cut the kit in half. after flying them, i did notice better patterns, and now it will just be a matter of time to work out which birds are giving me trouble. unfortunately, i haven't had the time, since i flew a kit today (friday) in the fall fly to tweak the kit some more. starting this weekend, i'll continue to add a bird at a time to see if i can discover the culprit or culprits. and turkey buzzard, now that i know you're a psychic, you can make some extra income by holding some rollers next to your head and seeing what family they're out of. ;-)
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Steve in Blue Point, NY
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