tou_vang
545 posts
Sep 11, 2009
5:06 PM
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lets say your are choosing birds for your A team and u have a bird that rolls 10ft, 1-2 x's a minute, but has really good wing style and you have another one that is 25-30 ft, ok style, 1-2 x's a minute. if u can only pick one which one would you rather choose??
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Ty Coleman
709 posts
Sep 11, 2009
5:42 PM
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It's according to weather I am flying the 20 bird or the eleven. If i'm flying the eleven bird I want the clean performer If i'm flying the 20 I will take either bird because you can hide a lot of flaws in a 20. If I had the option of another bird I would'nt have either.
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Ty
Vapor Trail Lofts
Last Edited by on Sep 11, 2009 5:44 PM
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
3378 posts
Sep 11, 2009
5:49 PM
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Depends where in the team I would use them if it was a front bird ten footer that always set off the team I would use him .if the 25ft would roll from the back of team I wouldn't use him.depends where they are needed in my team..
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lil_jess
172 posts
Sep 11, 2009
5:53 PM
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I would say Quality is what we are looking for...
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Ty Coleman
715 posts
Sep 11, 2009
6:59 PM
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Jess, I agree with quality being what we should breed from but to me a 10 footer is no prize bird. I raise several that have great quality but still make the ride to the dog trainor for being 10 footers.
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Ty
Vapor Trail Lofts
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tou_vang
546 posts
Sep 11, 2009
7:41 PM
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ok, thnxs all.
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fresnobirdman
647 posts
Sep 11, 2009
7:44 PM
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if its 10foot and it balls up, send it my way if you dont want it no more,lol.
-fou
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tou_vang
547 posts
Sep 11, 2009
8:15 PM
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well actually, the one that doesn't get picked doesn't get culled, it just goes to the B team.
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donnie james
714 posts
Sep 11, 2009
8:52 PM
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i pick the 2nd team i feel that you will get a better score ..............donny james
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Ty Coleman
721 posts
Sep 12, 2009
5:06 AM
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20 to 30 footers is my standard with quality. I have not achieved this yet in my kit boxes but I am getting closer. I have several birds that hit the 20 foot mark but cut it short on some breaks
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Ty
Vapor Trail Lofts
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fhtfire
2087 posts
Sep 13, 2009
11:01 AM
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Tou,
When picking a team bird...yes you look at the performance of the individual bird...but there is alot more than that....Lets look at the whole picture.
Now...as far as quality..I myself will take a bird with better quality over depth any day....because a good judge is going to see the crap..the crap sticks out like a sore thumb....remember..when picking birds for the team....it only takes a couple poor QUALITY birds to give the whole team a black eye....as far as depth...ONE bird is not going to really make your depth multipiers go up....it is the OVERALL impression of the kit that the judge remembers. Another thing is...most birds with poor quality...will get worse as the fly goes on....so the last impression of the kit sticks in the judges mind.....Poor quality birds do not make my A-team...period.
Ok....the short roller with good quality...well...if it is 10' it is scoreable...now you can cover one 10' roller if you have a majority of the kit hitting deeper rolls....so that bird will be involved in the break....and that is an extra point...and if the quality is good....then it wont stick out...it is more like the sixth man in basketball...scores the points when needed..but not the best player on the team....10' rollers are a dime a dozen in most lofts...but if you only have so many birds...then the 10' roller would be the best choice.
As far as overall...you need to pick the best birds that work the best as a TEAM....some birds on the Quality border line...sometimes step it up when they fly with a better team....sometimes shallow rollers will get deeper...but the main thing is the teamwork...that little 10' that Troy will take to the hunting dogs...may be a bird that triggers the team...I find that my shorter rollers are usually the triggers.
So....DO NOT PUT any low quality birds in your A-team...only takes one or two birds to make the whole team appear to be shitty.
The short rollers are still scoreable...and tend to hold it together the whole fly......
Use birds that are the best TEAM birds regardless of style, depth speed etc. They need to be a team player.
Dont fly 20 birds just to fly 20....you fly the best birds you got....so if it is 17 then that is what you fly.....
Every bird has value on the team....Poor Quality has no value, poor kitters no value.........Short birds have value if they are fast and tight....Deep birds have value if they hold it together and High "Quality"...has value...
rock and ROLL
Paul
Note....one of my top Breeder Hens...was a 10-15' roller in the team...but fast as lightning...and quality job one.....and she produces top notch birds..and none are short rollers....as Nick would say...Wierd ain't it..
Fly then both in the team at seperate times and see what roller fits in the team.
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harrison
1248 posts
Sep 14, 2009
2:00 PM
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Rock and roll PAUL.
I agree at the moment I am flying a 20 bird kit and they are doing not to bad.
But take away 8 birds that are in there and they look out standing.
I still have to give these young birds chance to pull together as a team but at the moment them not so clever birds are making the full kit look rubish.
harrison H.K.R ROLLER LOFT UK HULL
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steve49
242 posts
Sep 14, 2009
6:15 PM
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so who or what is the enemy? the approaching date of competition, or the lack of preparedness due to the age of maturity of the individuals? since so many have stated that some families have late developers, then do we judge too harshly those who most likely will get better in a couple of months? would it be crazy to have a young bird series, just like racing homers to give those who don't have teams with yearlings or older birds a better chance? i would hope those who have mature kits would rather compete against others of like ability. or am i missing something here? my point is i only have young birds, so i'm not expecting to do much against kits who have birds with more control, in addition to the depth and quality. others who have only late young kits, would most likely be in the same boat as me. i suppose early developing birds would be in top shape for the fall fly, whereas the later hatched birds, might not be.
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Steve in Blue Point, NY
Last Edited by on Sep 14, 2009 6:16 PM
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CSRA
1781 posts
Sep 16, 2009
6:28 AM
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I assume u are talking about a 20 bird kit u have to choose the one is best fit i would choose the one with the best kitting ability
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kcfirl
607 posts
Sep 16, 2009
2:05 PM
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TNo question - The fast stylish bird always above a deeper sloppier bird. That is the path to the true Birmingham Roller.
Ken Firl
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JMUrbon
750 posts
Sep 16, 2009
6:38 PM
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Like Ken just said. You should and will always be trying to improve your kit. That should never be done with a bird that has an infereior style. Unless you would be replacing something worse. Always put the best rollers in your kit. Remember depth isnt always best. Breed for quality and the depth will come in time. Joe
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tou_vang
557 posts
Sep 17, 2009
12:01 AM
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ok, thnxs guys.
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Flipmode
388 posts
Sep 17, 2009
4:10 AM
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(a bird that rolls 10ft, 1-2 x's a minute, but has really good wing style and you have another one that is 25-30 ft, ok style, 1-2 x's a minute.) C'mon guys. Same Frequency & Same Speed! The 30ft'r is a better bird for your A-Team! A kit of "o.k. wing styled 30ft'rs" would out score a kit of "really good wing styled 10ft'rs" anyday! For instance 1.6Qx1.0D against 1.3Qx1.4D. Do the math? The 30ft kit would win you a WorldCup Trophy! And there is a chance alot of those 10 ft breaks wouldn't get scored anyway. :)
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Alohazona
659 posts
Sep 18, 2009
10:46 AM
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They should be falling from the sky on fly day!I'm not saying a 10 foot roll hasn't caught my attention,but were talking about 1oo foot off the ground.Some of my good ones will squeeze off some short ones at that height.
Short performers are a extremely forgettable bunch.Experiment with them in the breeding pen with maybe a slightly deeper keeled bird with a "what do you want"expression......Aloha,Todd
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