vhawk
66 posts
Sep 11, 2009
8:53 PM
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can anyone tell me why you would band your birds? do we need too? wats the use of it? is there anyone out there that doesnt band there birds n compete?
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donnie james
715 posts
Sep 11, 2009
8:59 PM
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myself i raise to many same color birds and i have to tell which ones is out of which pair ..........donny james
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vhawk
67 posts
Sep 11, 2009
9:13 PM
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well if u know ur birds it shouldnt be that much of a problem n why use the banded y not the snap on band wats the difference?
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donnie james
717 posts
Sep 11, 2009
9:40 PM
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you got point there but i get confussed really easy........donny james
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cv rollers
468 posts
Sep 11, 2009
9:47 PM
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i have had snap on bands fall off,with band u take ur birds more serious JMO
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Rick Flores
coachellavalleyrollers.net
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Spin City USA
246 posts
Sep 12, 2009
12:00 AM
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The main reason that I band my birds is that I want to keep records on the family of particular birds. I know most of the birds by their markings but I also have a lot of selfs and the bands make it easy to know who is who, especially when you get into the 3rd and 4th generations. You breed 50-60+ birds a year and it can get mind boggling. You dont have to but if you get serious you will band them. If you are going to show them they have to be banded. It could also be proof of ownership if stolen and recovered.
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They gotta Spin to win.....Jay
Last Edited by on Sep 12, 2009 12:05 AM
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tou_vang
548 posts
Sep 12, 2009
3:56 AM
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spin city is correct. i used to band my birds with clip on bands but i had quite a few black selfs especially with my family and they were hard to tell. i think personalized bands are the way to go. sometimes if they get lost and end up in some thefts backyard then they'll just cut the bandso they can sell it or watever, but the bird there is a chance of it getting somewhere else too where they will call you up if they find your bird.
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Ty Coleman
719 posts
Sep 12, 2009
4:51 AM
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If you loose a bird it can be identified and returned to you by it's band.
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Ty
Vapor Trail Lofts
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vhawk
68 posts
Sep 12, 2009
5:01 PM
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aight thanks guys for letting me know but still all that i know already but still dont get wats so important about it why do other charge for for the birds if they are banded i know it prof, record n all that but still its just a band a bird is as good as it is with the band or not i am so confuse
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toronto15
281 posts
Sep 12, 2009
5:30 PM
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To me, pigeons don,t look right without their Identification.Glen.
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Oldfart
GOLD MEMBER
1444 posts
Sep 12, 2009
5:31 PM
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Hey Sue, There are several good reasons to band your birds, some of which have already been touched open but I will list them again.
1. As an aid in record keeping.
2. Proof of ownership, if you purchase a bird or if someone gives you a bird.
3. No reputable fancier will accept a bird that has not been banded as it could be stolen. Again, proof of ownership but different.
4. The band information includes the year of birth, the state it was born in, and a number that is individual to that bird and in some cases the club the owner is a member of.
5. Some chose to have their phone number on the band as a means of recovery if lost.
I hope that helps. :)
Thom
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
3382 posts
Sep 12, 2009
6:51 PM
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To me my birds are not complete without a band on there feet..ppl don't charge more because the bird is banded is what that bird is made of that it cost more.put it this way vhawk you have a social security # right date of birth well that's the bird SS#..his ID# is very important as for record keeping like Thom says..Lets say you have a birds doing everything right in the air you want to see who it is out of you check his band number go to yur records and match it to your record of that birds that produce that bird and bingo no guessing you know who its parents are.....
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Ralph.
Pigeons are not our whole life, but they damn sure make our lives whole!" ~
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vhawk
72 posts
Sep 12, 2009
7:21 PM
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aight well thanks for trying to make me understand i am more to know about it but let me tell u guys why i ask this guy name MrXYZ he said he sold birds from 350,000 and he dont band his birds and he was gonna charge me double if i wanted a banded birds so i was kind of piss off and wanted to know answers there more to it but long story short
Last Edited by on Sep 14, 2009 4:33 AM
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tou_vang
549 posts
Sep 12, 2009
7:46 PM
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$350, 000 for a bird???? wtf!!! well, i guess you better look somewhere else for birds then.
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Roll Down
76 posts
Sep 12, 2009
9:37 PM
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Please tell the person who would buy an unbanded bird for $350. ( from a guy who doesn't band his birds ) that I have a nice bridge for sale!
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Sound Rollers
37 posts
Sep 13, 2009
4:16 AM
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It seems all the legendary birds are banded; it only makes sense to band your birds for record keeping and reference.
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John
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Windjammer Loft
955 posts
Sep 13, 2009
6:10 AM
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This whole post sounds kinda fishy to me....dah
I think their is something missing here....
What are you smoking???
Fly High and Roll On
Paul
Last Edited by on Sep 13, 2009 6:11 AM
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vhawk
73 posts
Sep 13, 2009
12:11 PM
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lol im not smokeing nothing sorrie if this offend anyone who knows him but jsut trying to get my point threw here is wat the guy wrote back to me
Sue,
I dont need your money,,,i can sell this family anytime I want,,you contacted me,,I get 350,00 a pair,Iv flown rollers for 50 years and Im the only flyer in New England to win a national, Bands, Pedigrees and bullshit dont mean anything In this game,, you cant afford this family,,, bands or no bands,you need to buy the banded the two dollar rollers, Iv never seen your name anywhere In competition,,
yeah he went hard cuz i told him y he didnt band his birds n trying to sell it to me for more i also said he might be just selling me cheap birds with no peds and everything was just gonna b a lie something like that cant think of now
Last Edited by on Sep 13, 2009 4:24 PM
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harrison
1246 posts
Sep 13, 2009
12:31 PM
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In the uk each club has its oun ring.
My club the all england roller club has on the rings
AERC the year of issue 09 been the latest then if I order 50 rings my number on the rings could be anything from 0000 to 0050 or 2020 to 2070 (EXAMPLE)
These numbers are registerd in my name so any lost can be traced back to me.
In the AERC club you can only fly birds with aerc rings on that are registerd to you or that have been transferd over to you from anougthe breeder.
Also you can only fly rollers in the UK if they have a registerd club ring on them.
So in the UK if the bird hasnt got a registerd club ring on them you can not enter them int any club flys.
This also stps stolen birds having there rings cut off and been flown,
As the ring will not fit on a bird older then so many days as they are aliuminiam making it impossibl to put them onto stolen birds.
hope you guys can understand my wording?
Harrison .K.R ROLLER LOFT HULL UK
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jammerlofts
131 posts
Sep 13, 2009
1:45 PM
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LOL;
So let me get this right.If i have a pair of birds that have all the goods but are not banded there worth less. I should think not.And if there is no pedigree on the pair they are worth less. Again i think not. If you dont agree with the price then move on. But why drag his name in the mud. Wrong Wrong and more Wrong. Do you honestly think if you go buy a pair from the WC WINNER and get the birds that did the winning thats going to get you a big win. LOL Oh my my my you have lots to learn. Bottom line is, Its not right to drag his name in mud. DONT LIKE IT DONT BUY IT THAT SIMPLE. And NO i do not know this man.
This is of course (J M O )
JC
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jammerlofts
132 posts
Sep 13, 2009
2:32 PM
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Bye the way
I should Hope that one of the moderator,s will edit your post and take his name out. Its only fair.
Again its JMO
JC
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TheGame
620 posts
Sep 13, 2009
3:52 PM
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Vhawk the guy you are dealing with does not seem too friendly lol.
I would just look for other flyers to purchase birds from.
Good luck man.
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vhawk
74 posts
Sep 13, 2009
4:23 PM
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like i said i am not here to offend anyone or dislike anyone just trying to get my point threw like it or not the truth is the truth im not draging him in the mude he been in the game longer and hes saying that to me also with that price jammerloft anyone will move on without anyone telling them to all i wanted to know is why they band there birds hopeing someone can answer but no one is getting my real point on this thats y i had to let it lose a little they think im smokeing something SORRY for those whoes got offend hope we all move on
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vhawk
75 posts
Sep 13, 2009
4:25 PM
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i'll just remove his name myself hope yall feel better sorrie agin
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jammerlofts
133 posts
Sep 13, 2009
4:37 PM
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VHAWK
I think everyone will get the point without a name being used. I understand just how you feel. But throwing around a name wont help. Where are you from Mass Maine Nh Vermont, Anyhow not trying to give you a hard time just trying to save you a hassle in time to come .
JC
Last Edited by on Sep 13, 2009 4:37 PM
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vhawk
76 posts
Sep 13, 2009
8:46 PM
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aight thanks jc no feeling hurt just trying to understand each other
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nickeless
2 posts
Sep 14, 2009
4:23 AM
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My qeustion to you vhawk why do you have pigeons? Do you band your pigeons? If not then why dont you. what would be a possible reason to not use bands.
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J_Star
2173 posts
Sep 14, 2009
4:56 AM
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If you are looking for good birds, try Tony's and they are banded. You can buy 10 for the price of one from that person (lol). Thanks for removing that guy's name from your post. You saved me and edit.
Jay
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Ty Coleman
726 posts
Sep 14, 2009
5:26 PM
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The price of the bird does not mean its a good bird. I recall Scott's story about the 3000 dollar fosters and I can tell you about 2 100 dollar fosters that I have also. I would get birds from someone like Tony [or a local flyer] who want rip you off and who you can pick up the phone and ask questions about the birds and how is best to feed, fly, breed,etc. I learned the hard way about using peoples names you fill have wronged you or are just plain wrong. Just keep it to your self, make a mental note not to deal with them and move on.
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Ty
Vapor Trail Lofts
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Pumpkin Man
169 posts
Sep 14, 2009
6:59 PM
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Vhawk,
I have bought birds from several fliers they all had bands. I haven't always banded everything I produced (some years I wasn't comitted and just plain lazy). But here's my take on things. When someone sells you a bird with a band on it there is no way to deny where it came from. It came from them. Kind of like an artist putting their name on the painting. No one can gaurantee their stock will produce excellent, however, when someone sells you a banded bird they know it comes with some risk to their reputation. If no band no risk. Try to find a club in your area get to know some people and see some birds fly and see if someone will help you get started. As in life like roller pigeons there are good, bad, humble, arrogant, etc. people. Find someone that talks your language and go from there don't be bullied into buying something because someone won something. Some people never win but consistently place. I would look for birds from someone that consistently place in the running. Especailly if they are willing to coach you a bit on how to mange the birds once you get them.
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rtwilliams
GOLD MEMBER
446 posts
Sep 14, 2009
7:17 PM
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mine all look alike, how would i tell them apart without a band.
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RT Williams
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rtwilliams
GOLD MEMBER
447 posts
Sep 14, 2009
7:21 PM
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mine all look alike, how would i tell them apart without a band. lol
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RT Williams
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wannaroll
46 posts
Sep 14, 2009
8:08 PM
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I want a band on my birds with my phone number and the NBRC band on the other leg. I found a bird and in the process of finding the owner became facinated by these birds. Now I have 5 birds and having a blast If your neighbor finds an injured or lost bird or if someone strays them in. They now know who to call.
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Dave - Hesperia, CA.
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harrison
1250 posts
Sep 15, 2009
11:01 AM
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So can you guys in the USA fly birds in comp that dont have a registerd club band on them?
Wow i bet there is a few lost birds getting flown in peoples kits during comp time and there getting all the credit for somone elses hard work.
If thats the case somone could buy a full team of stolen birds and break them off and enter them into comp?
please tell me that i have misunderstood and you do have to put club rings on bcause if not its such ashame to the sport and so unfair .
just my view harrison hull uk
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J_Star
2179 posts
Sep 15, 2009
12:09 PM
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Everything is possible Harrison. It all depends on the person(s) integrity and character.
Jay
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vhawk
77 posts
Sep 15, 2009
2:32 PM
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ey thanks guys eveything was helpfull everybody needs to b more like this for the hobby to grow n b a better for others who needs better thanks agin
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CSRA
1779 posts
Sep 16, 2009
6:20 AM
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Tagging your birds help u identify your birds on who is who if u keep records u can see who is producing good rollers (pairs) and what % high or low
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rookie from ct
GOLD MEMBER
140 posts
Sep 16, 2009
6:33 AM
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vhalk you didn't answer the questions (jammeriofts)were are you from and(nickless)do you band your birds i read your profile and you have 4 pair,get some fosters and 4 pair will produce you24 birds per month and if you don't band them you will wish you did for record reasons what if you get a few real good spinners out of 24 birds a month you think for a minute you will remember there parents i don't think so. I breed from 4 pair and have plenty of fosters each band# gets a page in my RECORD book. Dennis
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harrison
1251 posts
Sep 16, 2009
9:07 AM
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Dennis its true what you said and I myself in my first year of breading fell victim to it.
(it shouldnt be to hard remebering what young come from what pairents)
How wrong I was,
You have 4 blue pides in your team and one is performing fantastick picking it out in the kit box is hard as it is.
Trying to remember what the pairents were is almost impossible.
Thats why rings are a must.
Also what I have done is with my 3 blue pides is.
1st bird sprayd the first tail feather pink,
2nd has its second tail feather pink and so on then next to there ring number in my records I have put what number tail feather they have sprayd .
So I no exactly what bird is whhat.
you can buy the stuff in tins .
Its for peoples hair when they want to highlight it with funny colors.
you can get temporey or permonent.
You only need to do one feather.
I have seen people spray the full wing pink and one green.
So oif you do use this idea try not to get carried away with it.
Harrison
H.K.R ROLLER LOFT HULL UK
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JMUrbon
751 posts
Sep 16, 2009
6:43 PM
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I like that idea Joe. Dave uses a similar way of marking his young. Due to the number of young a cock can raise he puts a different color or all of his stock hens. Any young off that hen will always have that same color on one leg. A cock can be put on a number of different hens in a single season so by putting them on the hens you will always know who the mother of the young is and then go to her pairings for that year and go from there. That is were Dave got the term ( my green hen) and so on. Joe
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J.M.Urbon Lofts
A Proven Family of Spinners
http://www.freewebs.com/jmurbonlofts/
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vhawk
78 posts
Sep 16, 2009
9:05 PM
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hey guys i am sorrie i posted this up but didn't get time to check it n answer back. i just got hire on a second job n then lady off for the moment so sad they guy didn't properly train me so i need to wait n b retrain from a different guy n that guy isn't even hired yet but yeah i am from central CA and i do band my birds nothing special i got the band from tonys cuz if i am gonna help buy anything y not tony i tried be come a member of the NBRC but i never got a answer back even thought i pay or at lease i thought i did maybe i'll try again but tonys band are fine for now maybe when i get something going first but i am looking for pumpers but i haven't found any yet i wanna stick to roller and i only want it fo cheap n all i see are too much for me to buy as pumper but if anyone have any cheap one let me know thanks to all who have something to say for the help
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