Ty Coleman
736 posts
Sep 16, 2009
5:01 PM
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I lost a 04 cock bird that I had bred to his daughter, they were the only pair of Kracker birds I had so I decided to fly the hen again, she was a superstar in my 08 team. In 4 times out she was rolling like a champ again and it took her 7 times out to be able to fly the entire time the kit was up. She is back in my comp kit in 7 flys. So with this success I decided to try some of the Courtney birds that I had sitting in a spair loft that were in my 08 kit but were loaned out for breeders to a friend. First time out was today and some touch and go take off's and one sloppy roll. One hen took off and I have yet to see her ? She flew here for a year so I don't understand that one. Does anyone else have any experince with this ?????
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Ty
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JMUrbon
752 posts
Sep 16, 2009
7:59 PM
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Ty you will get mixed responses to this one but I feel a bird has to be pretty special for me to stock it and for that reason once I stock a bird it doesnt make it back in the air unless it doesnt reproduce itself or better. Just my take on this but like I said, We have had posts about this subject and there are alot of guys that put their stock birds back in the air every year. Joe
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wishiwon2
209 posts
Sep 16, 2009
9:27 PM
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Guys,
I try to re-fly every bird I breed from at least once before retiring it to stock permanently. Often I will pull in a bird or 2 in the spring as 1 1/2 yr old or 2 1/2 yr old and breed from them through that season, then re-fly them for the fall series. If I have birds that go back to working as good as before I pulled them, it makes them a more valuable bird to me. It tells me alot about the constitution or character a bird posseses. If however they dont re-fly well, they had better produce something worthy of keeping in short order. I have several breeders that have been bred from and re-flown for 3 or 4 years.
I dont have issues with BOP so I realize I can get away with things most other can not. I do however believe that in the long run (7-10 yrs) early stock selection without fully proving out breeding stock will lead to inferior class of rollers. English flyers habitually bred from then flew stock birds. I realize times have changed with BOP issues. Time will tell if our birds and us as managers can adapt.
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Jon
If it were easy, everybody would do it
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winwardrollers
312 posts
Sep 17, 2009
8:04 AM
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I like to refly the bottom section of breeders..when I return them to the kit box... it is to young bird kit that are just flying short durations. Hold feed back a few days.. before releasing. When I see they are flying good and strong ..they get moved back up to be with a better kit.
Top Breeders you know where they stay..
bwinward
Last Edited by on Sep 17, 2009 8:17 AM
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George R.
70 posts
Sep 17, 2009
4:13 PM
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I just put together a kit of breeder hens and i like what I see so much that from now on I will fly all my breeders when they are not breeding .
at our loft your either Breeding or your in the AIR. NO MORE PRISONERS !!!
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Oldfart
GOLD MEMBER
1447 posts
Sep 17, 2009
4:38 PM
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I started with thirty cock's, I have sixteen left.
I lost twelve hens before I locked them down.
I'm still going to fly what is left, after I choose this years stock. Until now I only considered three birds as worthy of the title "stock" and being protected. I've come to understand that is a losing proposition. I have a good idea of which birds are producing and those will be protected until I can replace them with their young or the young of their siblings. Then and only then will I consider flying my breeder birds.
Thom
Last Edited by on Sep 17, 2009 4:38 PM
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