UFCVM
57 posts
Sep 16, 2009
7:10 PM
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Hey, interested in the roll down phenomina, please pm me to talk further about them.
kmazch@yahoo dot com
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Kevin
~Portable Flyer: Backyard flyer that flys in someone else's backyard.
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wishiwon2
210 posts
Sep 16, 2009
9:30 PM
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Kevin,
What do you want to know about rolldown behavior?
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Jon
If it were easy, everybody would do it
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donnie james
731 posts
Sep 17, 2009
8:35 PM
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a roll down is a roll down any way you look at it...............donny james
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Squabby*32
66 posts
Sep 18, 2009
1:13 AM
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Amen to that. I was told by a very prominent pigeon scholar, and believe, the only way to ensure you do not have any roll downs in you family is to get the roll down and everything related to it out of your loft for good. That is the only way.
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DJJeffman Spinners
ATAPWGIYAHTLY
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
3385 posts
Sep 18, 2009
7:13 AM
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Breeding from a roll down is as cruel as one can get.
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Ralph.
Pigeons are not our whole life, but they damn sure make our lives whole!" ~
Last Edited by on Sep 18, 2009 7:14 AM
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donnie james
748 posts
Sep 19, 2009
1:54 PM
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i 2nd that ralph but when i got a very short almond back in the day i use to use a rolldown or fine the deepest bird i could fine to put on the almond but since i got better stock i got away from that..........donny james
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fhtfire
2100 posts
Sep 19, 2009
4:22 PM
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UFCVM...
You dont have to talk private about a roll down....a roll down is nothing more then a freak.....just like if you breed any animal or livestock....for so many good ones....you are going to get a goof ball.
A roll down is just that...a bird that does not have the good genetically and will roll all the way down...usually roll down are something you find right away....usually a young bird that is over cooked or too hot..will roll down..they are usually the birds you hear new flier bragging about when they are only 2-4 months old...the ones that are hitting 25-30' rolls at that young of an age...usually get deeper and deeper until they run out air and find more ground...anyway....most of the top lofts will have a couple every year....out of 100 or so birds...I will usually get two or three...and that is it...
rock and ROll
Paul
They usually take care of themselves...no need to cull...
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nicksiders
GOLD MEMBER
3697 posts
Sep 19, 2009
6:52 PM
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Roll downs are a major defect and it should only be found in about 1 to 3% or less of a good breeding program. It your occurances are higher you have a problem within you breeding program and should be quickly changed.
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Just My Take On Things
Nick Siders
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UFCVM
58 posts
Sep 20, 2009
8:05 AM
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Thanks for the information on the frequency of occurrence of rolldowns. So what is it that you think contributes to a roll down genetically. You say breeding program should be changed, But essentially you saw something in the parents that you thought could be useful to the next generation, yet, they produced a rolldown and themselves are not. Whats the explanation.
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Kevin
~Portable Flyer: Backyard flyer that flys in someone else's backyard.
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tou_vang
567 posts
Sep 20, 2009
9:37 AM
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the burds that bred those burds had some roolldown in them but was hidden??? or ancestors before them??
Last Edited by on Sep 20, 2009 9:38 AM
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bigwilly
1057 posts
Sep 21, 2009
2:45 PM
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One thing I can say about a rolldown, is that EVERY family has them. TRUST ME
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BIG WILLY
TOPP FLIGHT/NCRC
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macsrollers
195 posts
Sep 21, 2009
9:51 PM
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Some birds are stone cold rolldowns. Some birds are bumpers coming in to land or going out to fly. Sometimes a good bird will have an accident. Many good birds are rolled down by the handler. You have to manage each bird individually and some more frequent or hot birds need rest and extra feed. If you are getting a number of rolldowns from a pair it is best to get rid of that pair of breeders. When a bird rolls down on you all of the sudden that has previously been stable, then take a good look at your recent handling of the bird and how you have flown it. Is it in the molt, has it been flown days in a row, has it shown some signs or stress by not kitting or lagging behind the kit? Maybe you rolled the bird down by miss-management. Or maybe it was just a stone cold roll down. Some things to think about before you are quick to blame the bird all the time! Enjoy your next fly! Don M. LVRC
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Dale
48 posts
Sep 22, 2009
10:32 AM
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Be carefull before you get rid of a good breeder because they produced roll downs together. My # 1 cock bird never rolled down and has produced some fine spinners from various hen's. But when I put him on a little mottle hen last year, everything they produced TOGETHER hit the ground.I broke them up and put them on different mates, no more roll downs from either of them. Some birds just don't click together, keep records of this information and it will help you in your pairings next season. Best of luck...Dale
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
3397 posts
Sep 22, 2009
1:42 PM
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Good post Don, and a good point Dale on your post.....
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Ralph.
Pigeons are not our whole life, but they damn sure make our lives whole!" ~
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