George R.
88 posts
Sep 29, 2009
9:37 PM
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IPB-R23820-07 IS A BEAUTIFUL ASH RED BAR COCK IS OUT OF A BLEND OF THE OLD WALTER HARTER STRAIN AND PAUL GOMEZ STOCK. HE ALSO CARRIES THE ECRU OR LEMON GENE. THIS MEANS MATE HIM TO YOUR BEST HEN AND 25% OF THE YOUNG WILL BE LEMON OR USE HIM TO INTRODUCE LEMON INTO YOUR FAVORITE BREED. IMAGINE BRINGING THE FIRST LEMON POUTER OR FANTAIL TO YOUR AREA SHOW. COMES WITH PEDIGREE.
I found this ad another site anyone know what LEMON is ???
do you think this thing was bred for performance ???
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George Ruiz
Last Edited by on Sep 29, 2009 9:40 PM
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TT
GOLD MEMBER
479 posts
Sep 29, 2009
10:31 PM
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I would say Definitely not bred for performance, just another color for the lovers,
Heres a liitle info on the color Lemon George,
http://www.angelfire.com/ga/huntleyloft/lemon.html
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Tony...
"Color is not an option"
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katyroller
572 posts
Sep 30, 2009
5:49 AM
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BLAH,BLAH,BLAH! Here we go again, folks spouting off about things they know nothing about.
TT, Do some research on Jack Barkel's family of lemon racing homers and let us know what you find. Also read the article you posted and let us know what different breeds were used to develop the color.
George, I also saw the same ad. Since you are so interested in the color, why didn't you contact the seller and ask him for some background? "IPB-R23820-07 IS A BEAUTIFUL ASH RED BAR COCK IS OUT OF A BLEND OF THE OLD WALTER HARTER STRAIN AND PAUL GOMEZ STOCK." Since the bird in question is a ash red bar, I don't understand why you would question my friend Paul about the bird or it being bred for performance. Re-read what you posted, it says the bird carries the gene for lemon, which is nothing more than a form of dilute. I don't agree with cross breeding different breeds. If the seller did some research they would have known that a cross isn't necessary to produce a lemon Pouter or Fantail.
Tracey
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Windjammer Loft
957 posts
Sep 30, 2009
6:46 AM
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Come on children.....Why is it everytime a post includes "Color", it ticks some people "OFF". Live and let live... If you have strong feelings towards that,then just keep your thoughts to yourself. And why must you show your "intelligence level" by using prophanity.... GROW UP!!!
Fly High and Roll On
Paul
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
3729 posts
Sep 30, 2009
7:17 AM
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Rocky, George is NOT a newcomer to the hobby. In my view, he asks such questions to incite a conflict (like it has already). George does not often come back to these posts and explain himself. IS it intentional on his part? Stick around for a few years and decide for yourself.
Also, I am sure you can understand why I am asking you now to please not use the F word or references to it on the site. Thanks for understanding why I need your cooperation. :-)
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FLY ON!
Tony Chavarria
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
3405 posts
Sep 30, 2009
7:31 AM
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Tony you pin point old George there to the tee..
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Ralph.
Pigeons are not our whole life, but they damn sure make our lives whole!" ~
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George R.
89 posts
Sep 30, 2009
7:36 AM
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Tony
I was asking Paul " what is Lemon" I have never heard of this used in rollers other then when someone describes eye Color " Lemon eye ".
I thought Paul might know since the description says the Bird is half Paul Gomez line and Paul has been known to Dabble in color ( qualmond) ETC. .
This post was not meant to incite a riot , I am a student to the hobby and I just wanted to know what LEMON and ECRU is.
What kind of student would I be if I didnt ask any questions?
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George Ruiz
Last Edited by on Sep 30, 2009 7:52 AM
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Longroller
GOLD MEMBER
216 posts
Sep 30, 2009
7:53 AM
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As I have raced/raised the Barkel Lemons..try to remember that the genes have two colors..lemon/pearl and blue checks. The eyes are interesting as the lemon/pearl have almost a florescent green color (similar to a red Trenton) and the blue check a very vibrant pearl eye. My birds excelled at 300 miles and more. The colors run about 50-50% blue checks and pearls. And by the way..the lemon/pearls have bars on the wings..sometimes ever so light colored.
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De Oppresso Liber
Last Edited by on Sep 30, 2009 7:55 AM
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
3406 posts
Sep 30, 2009
7:57 AM
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I say its a sweet looking color bird.wouldn't you say?..
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Ralph.
Pigeons are not our whole life, but they damn sure make our lives whole!" ~
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ezeedad
1064 posts
Sep 30, 2009
9:06 AM
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George....
Get a life...!!
Paul G
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Rocky Lofts
103 posts
Sep 30, 2009
11:44 AM
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tony im sory i got out of line. i should have known better.
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Cheers, Rocky
"Rocky Lofts"
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Ty Coleman
754 posts
Sep 30, 2009
4:39 PM
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To answer the question without being a smart arse. Ecru, also known as lemon is just extreme dilute.Dun is dilute of blue, Yellow is Dilute of Red. Ecru "Lemon" is extreme dilute of Red. This is just a gene that was recognized and worked on, Just like dilute. To answer the second question if Paul bred the bird I feel shure it is performance bred.
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Ty
Vapor Trail Lofts
Last Edited by on Sep 30, 2009 4:49 PM
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Longroller
GOLD MEMBER
217 posts
Sep 30, 2009
5:06 PM
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Ty, I was told by a genetic man that if you mate a Blue check Barkel to a recessive red you get a lemon. One of the BC Barkel cocks mated to a RR Gurnay hen and sure enough it came lemon...and talk about fly..my BC cocks did 500 several times.
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De Oppresso Liber
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STUDENT 2 THE GAME
159 posts
Sep 30, 2009
5:12 PM
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Any pictures...
Larry
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Ty Coleman
755 posts
Sep 30, 2009
9:30 PM
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Ron Huntly has a good many pics on his site and has alot of info there also.
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Ty
Vapor Trail Lofts
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Colors101
82 posts
Sep 30, 2009
9:59 PM
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The way I understand it, even though it appears to be a washed out Ash-Yellow, it's actually EXTREMELY diluted Blue. Who knew! Silver could look like a lemon, but that's apparently what it is.
BlueCheck Cock carrying the Ecru gene X BlueCheck Hen = 25% Ecru youngsters.
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Ty Coleman
756 posts
Oct 01, 2009
4:58 AM
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It can be blue or ash red. Tony if I am breaking policy by listing this site let me know but I think this is ok being it is educational.
http://www.angelfire.com/ga/huntleyloft/lemon.html
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Ty
Vapor Trail Lofts
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macsrollers
200 posts
Oct 01, 2009
9:09 PM
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Dilute on Opal can produce a washed out looking yellow color that one could consider lemon. Had a nice one like this that was a good, not great, spinner but the BOP liked it better! Haven't played with that experiment since then, but this post reminds me that it was a nice looking color so maybe I will during my experimental breeding ventures! The color debate lives on, but if you enjoy what you are doing with your birds that you are having fun and that's what life and any hobby should be about. Enjoy your next fly! Don M. LVRC
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
3731 posts
Oct 02, 2009
7:24 AM
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Ty, you are fine with that link. I actually use that site to learn a few things myself. Thanks for posting it.
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FLY ON!
Tony Chavarria
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