jnyce
816 posts
Oct 10, 2009
7:23 PM
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I have a bird that waa hit by a falcon today it has a hole in its pouch a friend of mine said pack vasiline in the hole and it will heal the hole is about the size of a penny what should i do
jerry t
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
3736 posts
Oct 10, 2009
7:39 PM
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I would prefer to use antibiotic cream in place of the vaseline.
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FLY ON!
Tony Chavarria
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jnyce
818 posts
Oct 10, 2009
7:46 PM
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Thanks Tony i have some bacitracin this should work i pesonally thought it would have to be stiched up
jerry t'
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
3737 posts
Oct 10, 2009
8:04 PM
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jerry, I have also used that liquid band-aid on my dogs for large puncture wounds without stitches. Its amazing the level of healing in God's creatures.
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Tony Chavarria
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katyroller
585 posts
Oct 10, 2009
8:21 PM
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You can use super glue.
Tracey
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jnyce
819 posts
Oct 10, 2009
8:33 PM
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jerry t
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jnyce
820 posts
Oct 10, 2009
8:34 PM
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tony i hope im not breakinh posting policy is so i will remove just want u to have an idea og what im talking about
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jerry t
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
3738 posts
Oct 10, 2009
9:48 PM
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jerry, no you are not. Informative and educational. This illustrates why I lock down. Thanks for posting!
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Tony Chavarria
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pisto
177 posts
Oct 11, 2009
12:47 AM
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this happend to me once. it lived for about two weeks. i used some purple liquid that is used for cuts and holes. i guess it wasnt good enough
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Ty Coleman
768 posts
Oct 11, 2009
5:49 AM
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The problem I have always had is blood loss. I can't ever get the birds to quit bleeding and most of the time they go into shock and don't pull out. Jerry I wish I could offer some advice but my birds normaly dont make it.
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Ty
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Windjammer Loft
964 posts
Oct 11, 2009
6:59 AM
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jnyce......this is a "difficult" position to be in. Unfortunately this is a common occurance. Only you can see exactely how "bad" this bird is.. Iam not one for any type of "rehad". I would put this bird out of "missery". Remember....this is only "my" way of dealing with situations like this... Good luck..
Fly High and Roll On
Paul
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katyroller
587 posts
Oct 11, 2009
9:22 AM
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Jerry,
Check for obvious internal injuries, If you don't see any, I'd try to stitch and glue the wound shut. The photo doesn't look like there is alot of internal bleeding. Check your feed store and see if they have any suture kits, if not just use a needle and thread. Once you have sewn it up, put some super glue on it to keep it closed. These birds are tough and will recover from alot. Good Luck!
Tracey
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Hifly11
72 posts
Oct 11, 2009
9:42 AM
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I have used a glue called "New Skin", get it at a drug store. I have used it on a couple of my birds with good luck
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Ballrollers
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2080 posts
Oct 11, 2009
4:59 PM
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Guys
Allow me to add another question that may aid in how we address these issues.
When we rehab a bird that has been caught or wounded by a BOP, what are the chances that this bird will meet our expectations as a kit bird?
From my experience, I have rarely seen a bird that has been injured like that by BOP ever make a good kit bird. Maybe someof you have had better luck with it. Prey animals go into a kind of shock when caught; it lessen their suffering. Most pigeons never seem to recover from it completely. I have also seen good kits of birds loose their performance characteristics after repeated BOP attacks. The birds spend too much time watching for attacks and less time rolling, once this becomes ingrained into the birds, I have seen, few return to their performance capabilities.
Sure we may loose just a few but after repeated attacks the damage may be already done. As we all know, BAD HABITS are hard to break.
Should we keep placing our birds at risk or lock down? The conditions you fly in and the experience with your birds after repeated attacks will help you answer that question.
Cliff
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TheGame
643 posts
Oct 11, 2009
11:22 PM
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You never know. I had a bird that snapped its leg cause the feeder top fell on it. I didnt think she was going to make it and was going to cull her. But I seperated her and gave her a chance and she pulled through. I still have her today and she is very healthy and in great shape today.
Give it chance if you have the time and patience.
Last Edited by on Oct 11, 2009 11:58 PM
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pigeon pete
393 posts
Oct 12, 2009
3:05 AM
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Cliff,
I had a new cock given to me by a friend and I was breaking him to the loft.
First time up he flew well with the kit and as they dropped, he circled around as if to land and at around 60ft he rolled around 20ft. right at the end of the roll a perigrine hit him and carried him off.
He was struggling and managed to break free several hundred yards from the loft and he went to ground. The BOP circled around then flew off. To my delight the cock dropped on the loft 2 days later with an open wound in his neck. It was a split rather than a hole so I cleaned it up and left it. He forever had a funny patch of feathers on his neck but he never missed a beat as a roller or as a kit bird.
unfortunately he disapeared around 12 months later and I didn't see what happened but the experience didn't affect him as a kit bird as far as I could see.
Obviously this is just one incident and you may find that most will not be the same again. I don't think he went into shock as he didn't stop struggling until he wriggled free.
I don't normally rehab a bird injured by rolling down, but I once mended a broken leg of a roller cock, mostly to see if I could do it, plus he showed a lot of promise before his mistake. He went on to be a safe top kit bird. He was picked out on one competition fly because he was doing good quality rolls 3 times a minute and the guys though he would soon give up.
However he did the time and was still rolling twice a minute in great style at the end of the fly.
He ended up in the AERC auction and the guy who bought him had seen him fly and he still had him last time I heard, and he (the roller) was around 10 years old.
Cheers.
Pete.
Last Edited by on Oct 12, 2009 3:08 AM
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
3413 posts
Oct 12, 2009
5:47 AM
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I had two birds get hit by a falcon he hit one with his claws knock him down the second one he caught got away from him the third one he took.both of those birds recover after I lock them down for a month to give them time for healing .one had a hole on its chest looked like it got shot with a shot gun.the other a hole on the side of the neck you can see the feed ..both I pour peroxide and put nitrofurazone on the wound and the wound close by itself and the bird were back in the air kitting and doing their thing like nothing ever happen.This bactericidal compound is used as an antibiotic most commonly in the form of ointment Its use in medicine has become less frequent as safer and more effective products have become available. so as long as the blood stops I give it a chance.
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Pigeons are not our whole life, but they damn sure make our lives whole!" ~
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Ballrollers
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2082 posts
Oct 12, 2009
5:08 PM
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Pete
That is a positive outlook on the negative effects of hawk attacks. Sonds like a couple of very strong birds. I hope we all get the same results, sometimes. But I got to tell you that it has been my experience that repeated BOP attacks "seem" to have a negative cumulative effect on kit performance, not to mention those attacks where birds were lost due to overfly's or killed. It is not so much a life long effect but one that shows up if the kit is hit several times over a few days. It could be the BOP attacks just show up more on the more skittish/nervous birds?
I guess it all depends on how thick the BOP are in your fly area.
Cliff
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katyroller
590 posts
Oct 13, 2009
6:07 AM
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Cliff,
I agree with you and have witnessed a change in birds that are frequently hit by BOP. I have experienced kits that flew faster and more erratic patterns as if to avoid attacks and kits flying higher than normal. I have noticed though that these birds tend to relax again once the BOP move on and they have a few flys without being hit. I am fortunate to live in an area where most of the BOP still migrate.
Tracey
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J_Star
2185 posts
Oct 13, 2009
7:00 AM
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Ty, to stop the bleeding quick, put coffee ground on the wound. Coffee ground when mixed with blood, acts like a scalp when the wound is healing. When the bleeding is heavy and after applying the coffee, use a clean rag on the wound, and press with your thump gently until the bleeding stops.
Jay
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rookie from ct
GOLD MEMBER
155 posts
Oct 13, 2009
8:24 AM
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Hay Jay just for case
i ever need it is it used or new coffee grounds Dennis
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pigeon pete
394 posts
Oct 13, 2009
10:11 AM
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Cliff.
yes we all see a change in flying pattern and performance if the BOP is causing grief, but different individuals recover in different ways.
The only BOP that I don't mind is the common Buzzard.
I've got tyhem breeding in my area and they will often set the kit alight, but don't attack, they just put the pigeons on edge enough to stimulate performance. If it is a good soaring day over my house, I can expect to see the lot, peri, buzzard abs sparrowhawk.
I wonder if they use decaff to prevent over stimulation?
peace,
Pete
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J_Star
2188 posts
Oct 13, 2009
10:15 AM
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New coffee ground. Just take a handfull out of the can and pack it on the wound. Our moms in the old country used it on us kids and I used on my own kids including myself when I cut myself working.
Jay
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Bill from NJ
84 posts
Oct 13, 2009
10:17 AM
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jnyce,
For stopping the bleeding use either a styptic pencil or styptic powder you can buy these at the local Rx or pet place.
To close the would use needle and thread soaked in alcohol to sterilize or crazy glue after plucking off some feathers.
Treat with antibiotic medication afterwards to prevent infection from setting in.
Cliff is correct, I would use only on a bird I would want to save for breeding. The pigeon will not be quite the same for flying later.
Just my .02 cents.... Do what You want.
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Ballrollers
GOLD MEMBER
2087 posts
Oct 13, 2009
11:14 AM
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Pete
I would think that Decaf would help prevent any unintended stimulation. Big Grin.
Cliff
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