Squabby*32
107 posts
Oct 23, 2009
5:03 AM
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What are the qualities that will help your bird / birds win the different categories in the contests at pigeon shows? Does anyone have any insight on this area? If so, please speak on it.
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DJJeffman Spinners
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Longroller
GOLD MEMBER
222 posts
Oct 23, 2009
10:44 AM
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I will jump into the fire. Performance birds in the show pen is rough. The Masters in the past did advocate shows...but to bring the best from the air to the show. A judge looks for several qualities, of which I shall miss a few I am sure. But to make the system easier, I look at each bird, hen or cock, as if I wanted this bird in my breeding loft. Understand it is a "Beauty Contest" and hopefully the judge will not be warped sided for his own interest. Disqualification is any bugs or holes in the feathers. Cracked eyes are not good. We look at the size of bird; the first arm bone; length of the last flight feathers; strength of back; back skull or pinched face; overall health and vitality of the bird; station..meaning how it stands or presents it self. In color classes...the vitality of the color, and properly marked. Richard Krupke did not like shows, but would support them on his terms..."best bald-head" "best black mottle"..ect. I look for balance..a big bird can spin..but you will find that it is balanced..I like a medium to small..but not a sparrow. Look at some of the books, and most will tell you basically what to look at. Better yet, go to your loft or a friends loft..pick up some proven spinners and look that the wind, keel, eyes, body type ect...best teacher there. Hope this helps.
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BA Rollers
290 posts
Oct 23, 2009
12:33 PM
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There is NO standard of perfection for the flying BR, therefore there isn't anything that can help you win a roller show other than having the bird in good condition and free of parasites. Roller shows are a complete crap shoot. Its like gambling with the dice, pure luck of the throw. People talk about how roller shows are supposed to be to pick the best type for spin. Guess what. I won champion of a large show once, several hundred birds, judged by a bonafide legend in this sport and you wanna know something. That bird was two years old and never rolled more than 5 feet twice a week. A pretty cull is what he was. I won a class about eight years ago with a certifiable roll down.
Make them look good is all you have to do. Its all about luck.
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donnie james
786 posts
Oct 23, 2009
7:33 PM
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djjeffman,i have to agree with ba rollers but if you want to show you can go with the show rollers i heard and seen the show rollers their about 16 to 18 ozes for the cock and 14 to 16 ozes foe the hens...
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Donny James
"Fly The Best And Cull The Rest"
"Saying One Thing;Doing Its Another"
"Keep Your Head Planted In The Sky And Wings Spanned Wide"
1996 Piedmont Roller Club Lifetime Achievement Recipient
Portsmouth Roller Club Participation Award System Recipient 1994 '96 '97 And 2000
2001 Limestone,Ohio Sportsman's Club Lifetime Member Recipient
2002Portsmouth Roller Club Certified Judge
2004Portsmouth Roller Club Lifetime Member Recipient
"Miss Portsmouth"NBRC/90/J311 Rusty Dun Check Self Hen First Bird To Get Certified In Portsmouth Roller Club History With A Score Of 53 Judge By Joe Roe The 1993 World Cup Winner And John Bender The 1994 World Cup Winner
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Phantom1
225 posts
Oct 25, 2009
6:11 PM
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Subjectivity rules in this hobby where ever you go. Shows, competitive flies, or next door neighbors - you'll never meet another that shares the exact views or opinions as what you do.
There've been some really good replies to this topic that I completely agree with. The best thing, in my opinion, that you can do is to continue breeding your birds to your own standard. Because come time for them to be judged by someone else, you can be certain that there will always be a bias, a lack of knowledge, or sometimes a complete lack of appreciation for what you have in front of them. Sometimes it can work in your favor. Be it in the air or in the show pen. Whatever the case, I would encourage you to not allow the results to cause you to change what you do with your birds. That is unless of course you agree and you can benefit from another's judging. Just keep it in your mind that there will always be that fine line of subjectivity. As Cliff pointed out, there is no standard for the Birmingham Roller - not in the air, nor the show pen.
If you want to show rollers, a good breed to work with is the American Roller. It has a written standard and the birds, in some families, can perform decently in the air. They provide a good variety of markings and colors and in my experience are really nice birds to work with. There's a lot of guys out there that are very willing to provide good birds just to help someone new get started with them.
Thanks,
Eric
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Squabby*32
108 posts
Oct 25, 2009
9:53 PM
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Thanks for the feedback. I do not want to show rollers but I want to know what the pros think the ideal bird would be. Just being inquisitive as I want to be a competitor in this hobby. Thanks again for the feedback.
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DJJeffman Spinners
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Phantom1
227 posts
Oct 26, 2009
7:57 AM
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DJJeffman - do you plan on attended the show in Shawnee? Not sure where you're located. If you can contact me by email, I can provide you with some information on the American Roller and get you in touch with a great guy that can answer any questions you have about the breed. I would highly recommend those birds to anyone without blinking an eye. Especially if you're interested in showing rollers.
Thanks!
Eric
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Longroller
GOLD MEMBER
228 posts
Oct 26, 2009
4:41 PM
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----------I have a copy of the written standard for the American Roller from Don Lehman of Portland Oregon. I have flown his birds in the past..most of the roll is gone. They are a beautiful show bird now...there are a couple of guys that still fly..but the BOP has forces most to the show pen. Want a copy..e-mail me...rkandbk1@yahoo.com
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Longroller
GOLD MEMBER
229 posts
Oct 26, 2009
4:41 PM
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----------I have a copy of the written standard for the American Roller from Don Lehman of Portland Oregon. I have flown his birds in the past..most of the roll is gone. They are a beautiful show bird now...there are a couple of guys that still fly..but the BOP has forces most to the show pen. Want a copy..e-mail me...rkandbk1@yahoo.com
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az-je
68 posts
Oct 29, 2009
11:11 AM
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I show my Birmingham Rollers just for fun and to support the County Fair and State Fair here in AZ, plus our All Breed Arizona Pigeon Club has a yearly Winter Show. What I've learned is: a bird with white flights and white tail gives it the illusion of being long cast in the body. "Patterns" must be close to perfect: bald heads, bars, bell necks, etc. The Judges have "Standards" for Flying birds and how they should feel in the hand, feather quality, chest muscles, etc. "Looks" (colors and patterns) is all secondary.
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Hector Coya
573 posts
Oct 30, 2009
12:00 PM
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I have judged shows,and simply put,I pick a bird that would go good in my breeding loft.
Its all for fun,and to support the Club that is putting the show on.Don't take a show winner for anything more than a bird that has the looks of a Champion,But looks isn't everything.some of my best spinners where ugly as hell.
Hector Coya-SGVS
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az-je
69 posts
Oct 30, 2009
1:59 PM
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Amen. Good Looking birds don't always have the roll and Good Rollers aren't always good looking.
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Scott
2592 posts
Oct 30, 2009
4:29 PM
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Put in the strongest stiffs with good feather and you will do much better than useing the hot shot ace out of the A-Team.
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Scott Campbell
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Squabby*32
114 posts
Nov 04, 2009
12:25 AM
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Hey Eric, My email is DJJeffman32@sbcglobal.net. I would like to get what you have on this subject. Please forward th information to me.
Thanks in advance Eric.
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DJJeffman Spinners
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