TAWhatley
198 posts
Oct 25, 2009
10:53 PM
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I've just had another Roller reported to me .. said she contacted the club sec and got no calls back. She loves the bird as does her family, so I told her to get it setup and keep it.
What is it with you guys? Your roller bands are hard as heck to trace and I usually come here begging for help .. having rollers is not a crime that I know of .. so how come you all are so hard to track down? If I get a racer or a show pigeon with a band, I likely wouldn't have a problem but with you roller guys, it's CRAZY .. why is that?
Terry
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Ty Coleman
784 posts
Oct 26, 2009
4:11 AM
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Terry, I dont no how to answer that question for you, but when I was the President of the NPRA I would get many phone calls about lost birds and I was normaly able to find the owners. In Cali there are so many clubs and so many flyers I can see your delima. It was alway fairly easy to find guys on the East Coast.
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Ty
Vapor Trail Lofts
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PAUL R.
110 posts
Oct 26, 2009
10:17 AM
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Could it be there just backyard flyers?
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Phantom1
228 posts
Oct 26, 2009
10:49 AM
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Terry,
Which "guys" are so closed off? Is it a specific organization?
E
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katyroller
609 posts
Oct 26, 2009
10:59 AM
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Paul,
What would being a backyard flyer have to do with this subject? Backyard fliers still have to purchase bands from someone and the organization that sold the bands should have records on who the bands were sold to.
Tracey
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robert71
53 posts
Oct 26, 2009
11:20 AM
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a terry how are you doing, email me with the info on the bird & i will see if i can get the owner....robert
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nicksiders
GOLD MEMBER
3744 posts
Oct 26, 2009
12:01 PM
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You got a point, Terry. I have been in this pigeon world for a while and you almost have to have a secret knock to get some doors open. It could be due to theft, but mostly I believe it is due to some attitudes that is shared by many, some that don't even have pigeons. It goes beyond just having roller pigeons.
There are some great people in this hobby, but there are those few you have to know them or be related to them before they drop the vail of suspicion.
I even know of some fliers you can never get an opportunity to watch thier birds fly. There is that space behind thier eyes that flashes and casts off sparks sometimes when it comes to thier birds. A "Do Not Tread of Me" disposition........I guess. I don't know.
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Just My Take On Things
Nick Siders
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rookie from ct
GOLD MEMBER
160 posts
Oct 26, 2009
12:05 PM
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robert71 the info. on the bird she is talking about is on her other post Found #####by TAWhatley Dennis
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George R.
107 posts
Oct 26, 2009
12:12 PM
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Nick
You have to remember there are some backyard flyer's that only breed for the true Birmingham roller .
I dont think they would want any stranger or a kit competitor to actually see thier Champion Spinner . Thats one of the reasons they dont compete .
I breed to get a high % of good spinners so I can put together a Kit of them , so I guess I will never ever have to worry about stumbling upon a Champion roller in my Loft.
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George Ruiz
Last Edited by on Oct 26, 2009 12:28 PM
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katyroller
610 posts
Oct 26, 2009
1:16 PM
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Terry,
I think the issue you might be dealing with in some cases, is the smaller clubs. On the W.Coast there are so many smaller clubs around that it isn't always easy to figure out what club they belong to. With racing homers the clubs are all affiliated with a major organization like the AU. Find a racing homer and more often than not all you have to do is call the AU and they can tell you the owner. Unfortunately this not always the case with BR's. Also with the BOP problems we face, I think the fancier turn over rate is higher for the BR's.
Tracey
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Phantom1
229 posts
Oct 26, 2009
1:29 PM
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I'm curious to know who exactly is the problem. I'll be honest - I keep crappy records and it takes me time to figure out if I bred a bird in question. Truth be told, once it's gone from my lofts, it's for a good reason and I have no need to keep things around nor follow up on it's progress. If it's gone, it's gone for a reason and I don't have any interest in getting it back.
That may be the sentiment shared among many breeders. Regardless of the breed - they didn't send it off or give it away to be asked if they want it back, know who they gave it to, can they be called with any questions on it, etc. A lot of folks give birds away and are proud to do so, but any harrasment that follows is most likely one factor for people to just cull the birds.
Best thing for someone who finds a lost bird is to find a home for it, and not spend too much time trying to find the person who put a band on it. And speaking of bands, how many times are bands given away or sold to another guy that the club or distributor now has no records of. That could be part of the disconnect as well.
Thanks,
E
Last Edited by on Oct 26, 2009 7:20 PM
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nicksiders
GOLD MEMBER
3745 posts
Oct 26, 2009
3:18 PM
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LOL George
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Nick Siders
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Good Times Roll
54 posts
Oct 26, 2009
7:49 PM
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I semi agree with phantom,most bird you lose you and get calls about you ususually dont want back, I used to put my phone # on the bands but that sucked if you took them to the feed store, Tracy Im a back yard flier and band RLF, now trace that back to an orginization lol but there shouldnt be a problem with club bands if a few members have access to rpdc and Nick I have never really came across the secracy but more on the arragant side or not having what they say or both lol
RL
Last Edited by on Oct 26, 2009 7:51 PM
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katyroller
611 posts
Oct 26, 2009
8:01 PM
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My post about being able to track bands was more a response to a jab at backyard fliers and bands. I am a backyard flier also and band HRC which if you could identify what club HRC is, you could contact the band secretary and find out I bred the bird.
RL, maybe you should do a better job of making your birds easier to identify if your bands are that impossible to trace.
Tracey
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Good Times Roll
55 posts
Oct 26, 2009
8:16 PM
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Tracy no harm meant at all, I see what you wrote now (ive been fishing all day) But I did have my phone# on the bands and when I got calls it was in most cases it was a bird I had offed and it wasnt worth the trip to get it back and most local fliers know my bands
RL
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Windjammer Loft
984 posts
Oct 27, 2009
6:34 AM
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In the past I have found many a stray and managed to find out "who" the bird belonged too with no problems doing it.
I had a feeling that this post was going to take this twist....
As for George R., this post has "nothing" to do with backyard flyer. But YOU had to bring it into the mix. Anytime you want to make a stop by my place and "see" my birds, your welconme to it. I'll put up a kit or 2 for you. You'll be pleasently surprised... From what the
"competition" guys in my region fly, I can honestly say my birds are just as good or even better then some. I "don't" need any judge to watch my birds in action and tell me what's going on with them.. I read too many post from all you "know it alls" to know how to fix a problem. My birds are strickly for "my" pleasure. I really get sick of the "com guys" with your pompus attitudes towards the guys that don't fly in competitions..... With attitudes like that.. it's no wonder alot of us don't compete. My birds are better then your birds..attitude.
Take your ball and bat and go home then....
Fly High and Roll On
Paul
Last Edited by on Oct 27, 2009 6:48 AM
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
3432 posts
Oct 27, 2009
6:51 AM
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Hey George I'm confuse with your post#107
You have to remember there are some backyard flyer's that only breed for the true Birmingham roller .ect..
what does that has to do with this thread..
Ralph.
Pigeons are not our whole life, but they damn sure make our lives whole!" ~
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George R.
111 posts
Oct 27, 2009
8:16 AM
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Paul
You got it backwards , as a regional director it is my Job to try to get as many people to Fly as possible. There were numerous times that I asked Guys if they would like to Fly and they felt as if I offended them.
They quickly responded " we breed true Birmingham rollers" and made it sound as if people who Fly Competitions are breeding Tumblers.
Ralph
You have to remember there are some backyard flyer's that only breed for the true Birmingham roller .ect"
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What I meant was that thats the reason some of those Backyard Flyers are so hard to locate, they dont want no one to see thier birds, I know when I lived in Los Angeles I knew Guys that had Birds for years yet I never seen thier Birds fly or even heard of them Flying a kit.
it is possible that the reason its so hard to locate the owner of the Bird is because the owner himself doesnt want to be Found.
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George Ruiz
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
3435 posts
Oct 27, 2009
9:50 AM
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George listen to yourself you are assuming that the bird belong to a backyard flier.I tell you the truth if I lost a bird I won't hesitate to say its mine,what I got to lose I'm a back yard flier no big deal.now in the other hand maybe they don't want nobody around is because of the bird thief.their is plenty of those around..
Now that last phrase you wrote below"it is possible that the reason its so hard to locate the owner of the Bird is because the owner himself doesnt want to be Found".
that's more like it...I agree with you on that one..
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Ralph.
Pigeons are not our whole life, but they damn sure make our lives whole!" ~
Last Edited by on Oct 27, 2009 9:52 AM
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TAWhatley
200 posts
Oct 28, 2009
8:58 PM
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I didn't mean to start a stink here, but the posts have been interesting and informative.
The roller in this thread now has a good home, and I'm going to leave this one at that.
As for other rollers, I will post them here, and if someone here owns the bird and wants it back, you can let me know. Otherwise, the bird will be safe and well cared for either by me or an adoptive home.
I have had some tremendous help from a few members here, and it is greatly appreciated. I would love to thank them publicly, but in keeping with the "Secret Roller Society", I cannot name names! (:
Terry
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
3440 posts
Oct 28, 2009
9:10 PM
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Terry thanks for the wonderful job you doing.
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Ralph.
Pigeons are not our whole life, but they damn sure make our lives whole!" ~
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TAWhatley
202 posts
Oct 30, 2009
9:38 PM
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Robert71,
It will take me a bit to go back through some records, but I WILL send you some bands to research. The birds have long been placed or are now my personal birds (at least in my opinion), but I would still like to have the information for the future.
Thank you!
I promise everyone here that I do not compete, fly, or show birds. Every pigeon I have is a pet. I also do not share information that was provided to me as confidential. As to the showing of birds, I HAVE been tempted to get into that a bit especially with rescued birds .. kind of "one man's trash is another man's treasure" thing. I have some truly first class birds that came in as rescues. Most however are "just pigeons" that needed some help and a home. I love them all.
Terry
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TAWhatley
203 posts
Oct 30, 2009
9:49 PM
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Phantom1 .. you wrote .. Which "guys" are so closed off? Is it a specific organization?
No, it's not a specific organization. To make it pretty simple, if it's NOT an NBRC band, then it's a bitch to try and track down the owner. I either can't find any information at all on-line or the phone # is no longer a working #. I can spend hours trying to find a contact for a banded roller all to no avail. That's why I just come here and post cuz you all know all the roller people and their bands.
Terry
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