SpinCityRollers
282 posts
Oct 27, 2009
9:41 AM
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Yesterday was one of my worst days in rollers I am so "depressed" I believed this has happened to others but never to me
One falcon the first since July 25 2009( when I lost my last bird only 3 mths AGO. this is what happened she dove into my 1 Team at 10.00 am yesterday and pushed the birds into outer space and chased them to the ground she repeated this until 12 oclock before leaving by then low laying clouds started to move in the birds were stuck above it. I only had 3 birds back at this time the rest were in trouble because she was back up there. I couldnt even see the pigeons any more they were specks and every so often the clouds would part only to see the falcon attacking and driving them farther and higher away I last saw the falcon when she chased the last bird all the way from space to the ground. Nine days before the fall fly finals.
Here are the results Of one falcon
Eleven bird made it back Two Injured on required surgery(crop repair 2 inch laceration) both cannot compete
Eight birds my best spinners missing and today there is 45 mile per hr winds. I am finished
Good Luck Abel and all the other fall competitors on your fly day
MadMAXXx thaT duDE
Last Edited by on Oct 27, 2009 9:42 AM
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George R.
114 posts
Oct 27, 2009
9:46 AM
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hey Max
no one wants to hear your sob storys just put your Birds up . Spanky lost 27 birds getting ready for the Finals and he still flew.
I got destroyed in the Prelims but you know what thats yesterdays news.
now get out there and start picking some of those andulusians or creams or white bars out of your kit Box and get them ready to go to the battlefield.
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George Ruiz
Last Edited by on Oct 27, 2009 9:47 AM
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SpinCityRollers
283 posts
Oct 27, 2009
9:49 AM
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George you are and arse hole for real (George= arsehole)
And thats that
Last Edited by on Oct 27, 2009 9:53 AM
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SpinCityRollers
284 posts
Oct 27, 2009
9:52 AM
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But You re right and I love you for that.
But am still depressed I feel like shit have a little compassion
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SpinCityRollers
285 posts
Oct 27, 2009
9:55 AM
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Hey to think I laugh when the falcon Messed your fly up I know dodge a bullet that day
Funny how Karma has it way of catching up with you
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George R.
115 posts
Oct 27, 2009
9:56 AM
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Marlon
just got a call from someone in Cali , He said they noticed that everytime you qualified for the fall fly that right before the finals Fly you always say you suffered a Disaster.
He said it almost as if you are setting it up just in case you have a bad Fly in the Finals.
Sorta like Crying Wolf LOL
well anyway good luck in the finals
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George Ruiz
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
3436 posts
Oct 27, 2009
10:01 AM
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See Geogre you say the wrong thing at the wrong time.
I know what you mean but you not listening to the man
he is depressed and he mention he believe's it happen to others but never him..
I was in your shoe's Mad Max the other day I was depress ,piss off. I haven't gotten hit in 7 month and just the other day the falcon did the same thing to me not as bad ar you or George or Spanky or others ...but it hurt because its your best one that gets hit .no matter how tough you try to be ahh what the heck .BS you still get mad..I wanted to fly that day imagine that and open a can of whoop a%% up there in that sky....sorry to hear what happen to you bro..
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Ralph.
Pigeons are not our whole life, but they damn sure make our lives whole!" ~
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George R.
116 posts
Oct 27, 2009
10:04 AM
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----dont kill the messenger Ralph , I am just relaying a message from So Cal.
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George Ruiz
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SpinCityRollers
286 posts
Oct 27, 2009
10:13 AM
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Hey George
I just like to compete at the highest level when I complete as we all do I would have like to put the same birds up to see what there true potential was But george I do have other bird and I am a competitor so I will see I have enough left they will do respectable or Don might get his chance at redemtion I saw what his kit can do this summer in the summer fly
Hey George Stop Gossiping
am glad they noticed I qualified did they Qualify
To Be continued
Mad Max
Last Edited by on Oct 27, 2009 11:18 AM
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
3437 posts
Oct 27, 2009
10:16 AM
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lol George.the gun wasn't loaded..lol..
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Ralph.
Pigeons are not our whole life, but they damn sure make our lives whole!" ~
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jerrylynn
53 posts
Oct 27, 2009
9:05 PM
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I have go to give it to you guys who have the power to hang in there with the BOPS the way they are now!I gave up on the sport after several years of raising 100 to have them kill or ruin most all of them. I hope all is well for all of you fellows I miss the spinners and the fellowship! Jerry Lynn
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SpinCityRollers
287 posts
Oct 27, 2009
10:25 PM
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Im very close to quiting the closest Ive ever been
Mad Max
Jerrylynn you are very right on that post it was right on the money
Thanks Mad MAx
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Sound Rollers
85 posts
Oct 28, 2009
5:50 AM
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Is this what I have to look forward to?
John
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rookie from ct
GOLD MEMBER
162 posts
Oct 28, 2009
6:07 AM
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John it's all part of the hobby you know that you have to take the good with the bad, breed a few more than you need because the POB'S are out there. Dennis
Last Edited by on Oct 28, 2009 6:39 AM
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michael salus
69 posts
Oct 28, 2009
6:20 AM
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I know what Jerry is talking about. I have had a problem with falcons for 20 years. Getting hit 5 days a week, 52 weeks out of the year is no fun. I do know it's hard to give up the birds. I quit 2 times and only could stay out a few years each time. It's in our blood. The kits never develope properly and always fly in hawk mode even if they don't get hit. I will never fly a great kit and that's the sad part. I still see some good spins, but not kits.The past 2 months I haven't been hit as much, don't know why, but the birds are doing better. The falcons usually don't migrate from here, but we might be in for a bad winter and they are getting out of here. Animals seem to sense when nature is going to turn on them. Getting out of birds is a very personal decision and not easy to make. Keep looking up!!! Peace!
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MJ
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Squabby*32
115 posts
Nov 04, 2009
12:34 AM
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This probably happened to everyone with birds at one time or another. The last time I was hit, the cooper took my #1 and I was very depressed over that event. I felt your pain before MadMax and will feel it again as I continue to fly my birds.
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DJJeffman Spinners
ATAPWGIYAHTLY
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Ty Coleman
798 posts
Nov 05, 2009
3:50 AM
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I raised 43 young birds this year, I lost some to coccidiosis and a lot to hawks, I only have 11 left, I have also lost alot of 07 and 08 birds this year to the coopers. I lost 4 out of my A kit since the prelims and 2 out of it the day before the finals. The birds skyed out in the finals [ I think they saw the coopers] and were attacked a hour and 15 mins later when landing. Something has got to change !
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Ty
Vapor Trail Lofts
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Ballrollers
GOLD MEMBER
2121 posts
Nov 05, 2009
8:24 AM
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It is, indeed, a tough sport, gentlemen, and not one for the faint of heart. We have a lot of odds stacked against us. I agree with Ty, that it is time for a change. Those on the EC who opposed change when I recommended it in 2006 may be more open to the discussion, now. Please work through your RD or directly to the NBRC President (current and new) to let your voices be heard. I cannot do it alone. But lets at least TRY something different!
Cliff
Last Edited by on Nov 05, 2009 8:25 AM
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kcfirl
622 posts
Nov 05, 2009
8:48 AM
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Dear Cliff,
what change did(do you recommend?
Thanks,
Ken
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nicksiders
GOLD MEMBER
3753 posts
Nov 05, 2009
5:03 PM
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I think Cliff wants to put NBRC's Fall fly, the NBRC National Championship Fly, during some other time of the year then the Fall.
The fact is many regions are going to push thier prelims back to early November and fly thier finals in latter November. They will miss the moult and hawk migrations in many parts of the country.
The Spring is World Cup time.
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Just My Take On Things
Nick Siders
Last Edited by on Nov 05, 2009 5:05 PM
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macsrollers
218 posts
Nov 05, 2009
7:07 PM
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BOP's are brutal when they are on you and most of us suffer the same results as Marlon from time to time. Marlon has the birds to compete with the best and it is always a challenge to fly against him every fly I am in as we have to beat each other in order to get to the finals or next level. But George isn't as unsympathetic as he may appear on line. We deal with the inconsistent stories from Marlon almost every fly so we get to the point we don't know what is and isn't real. Once you open the door the birds speak for themselves anyway. But we all face the same obstacles as Marlon does leading up to a competition or just flying our birds to enjoy! The best analogy is the boy who cried wolf. It gets to a point where you don't know what to believe and therefore it is hard to sympathize or support. Will there ever be a solution to the falcons and their affect on our hobby? We can only hope and until then do the best we can with the condition that we face. This hobby offers a little satisfaction and gratification that hopefully happens often enough to outwiegh the frustration and aggrevation that happens more often then we would like! Everyone enjoy your next fly! Don M. LVRC
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nicksiders
GOLD MEMBER
3754 posts
Nov 05, 2009
10:17 PM
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Don, I agree with you. I hear complaints about hawks in the fall with a request to move the NBRC fly to an earlier time in the year and the same people complaining about the hawks in the Fall are also complaining in the Spring about hawks. If we move it to the Summer I can probably say without hesitation those same individuals would complain about flying in the heat; the moult; or the cold; or what have ya.
Some places have hawks problems 365. They have taken up residence near thier lofts. They need to shut it down for about three months and allow the hawks to move away. I don't know what else to tell them.
Then I have the rest of them that just put'em up when scheduled come wind, rain, hawks, or high water. I appreciate them more than they will ever know. I take all complaints from my region seriosly and the great majority who bare with me make it all worth while. They take a lot of stress off my mind.
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Just My Take On Things
Nick Siders
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Ty Coleman
799 posts
Nov 06, 2009
3:43 AM
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Resident BOP problems are one thing but to hold the Fly during the hawk migration is just plain stupid. We are making residents out of them. The fly dates need to be moved to the spring. And before any body goes to talking about the W\C being in the spring I'll say the heck with the W\C. I am a paid member of the NBRC, I fly comp with the NBRC, and the world cup should not dictate a darn thing the NBRC does. The W\C does not contribute a thing to the NBRC but yet we have to publish there results and keep up with there Master Flyer points for the W\C and the people who don't even pay NBRC dues like the rest of us.
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Ty
Vapor Trail Lofts
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George R.
162 posts
Nov 06, 2009
6:56 AM
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Ty
Whats the difference? Just put your Birds up in the World Cup , a fly is a Fly regardless of the name If you Fly in the World Cup then you can skip the Fall Fly.
Now I know the World Cup does not have a 11 Bird fly but come on Ty you have had Birds long enough ,by now you should be able to Start flying the 20 Bird .
Now I know there is less competition in the 11 Bird Fly but wouldnt it be better to match your Breeding and training skills against all those that Fly the 20 Bird Comps.
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George Ruiz
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Ty Coleman
800 posts
Nov 06, 2009
1:08 PM
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George I could care less about the W\C 20 bird comp. As I stated above I am a member of the NBRC."Now I know the World Cup does not have a 11 Bird fly but come on Ty you have had Birds long enough ,by now you should be able to Start flying the 20 Bird .
Now I know there is less competition in the 11 Bird Fly but wouldnt it be better to match your Breeding and training skills against all those that Fly the 20 Bird Comps"George Ruiz .
George it makes no difference how long I have had birds, I like the 11 bird fly and that is what I will fly in. Now if my region needs me to put up a 20 I will but until then no thanks. The 20 bird fly has to much room for error and opinion, which the 11 bird does also but not as much. Take 10 ,20 bird raw scores space them 5 points apart. Can you make the last first and the first last with multipliers ? yep you sure can and thats to much wiggle room for a judge.
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Ty
Vapor Trail Lofts
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Mongrel Lofts
606 posts
Nov 06, 2009
3:47 PM
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Ty,
Common! First Mad Whinner and now you. Both flys are in a good time of year. The NBRC championship fall at a better time for some regions and the WC for others. It balances out in the end. My wife started flying last year and she can't figure out why some think flying rollers should be designed around them? It worked long before you started flying. Get rid of the cocidosis and you had a better year. Don't you think? I darn don't want to fly all my flys in one short spring season. Just my opinion. KGB
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Ty Coleman
801 posts
Nov 06, 2009
7:16 PM
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Your right Kenny, the hawk migration is the best time of the year to fly, common realy, dont you think.
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Ty
Vapor Trail Lofts
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Guil Rand
4 posts
Nov 07, 2009
3:27 PM
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Mad Max,
Sorry to hear about your battle with the falcon. I've had periodic problems with BOP, but my real battles have been with dogs and racoons. In 1994 the cock bird that is in the ancestry of every bird in my loft today was killed by a dog. I had it in a polygamy breeding program, and this dog broke through 3/8" dowels and killed the cock and the 3 hens I had him on. Fortunately, I had 42 youngsters out of him from that year.
In 2004 I went back to the midwest to judge Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, and Kentucky's NBRC Fall regional fly. It took 10 days to complete the fly. When I got home I found 65 of the 80 stock birds I had,
were dead. A dog had gotten into the loft, and just couldn't quit killing. 10 years of breeding was gone. I had 20 pairs of my birds, and 20 pairs of Gary Lancaster's birds. The person taking care of my birds felt so bad about her dog killing most of my birds that she quit feeding my kit birds! Go figure that out! 40 of the kit birds were dead, starved. Almost miraculously, ony one of my competition birds was dead. They were immediately put in the stock loft, so I would have something to start over with.
Then in 2008, just when I felt like I was starting to get a grip on my breeding program again, I went out to my loft one summer morning, and found 19 of my 24 breeders ripped apart. Some had their heads pulled off. Every youngster in the breeder loft was dead, and every egg destroyed. A racoon had ripped the corrugated plastic roofing off the sunning pen, and destroyed almost all my breeders. That day all my #1 kit birds became breeders. Time to start over.
I'm not telling you all this for sympathy, but to give you some hope, that you can continue on, you can keep competing, and one day you will be the better for it. At least that is what I keep telling myself.
All the best,
Guil Rand
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fhtfire
2186 posts
Nov 07, 2009
4:08 PM
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Kenny is right...
There really is not good time to fly....some areas it is year around....in the fall you have the moult....and the BOP...but I get hit more training for the W/C then I do for the Fall Fly....I could see moving the fall fly finals to maybe Feb or March....and the pre lims whenver you choose...then right after the Fall Fly..the pre lims for the W/C start....but for the Cali guys...after May...forget it...its 90 degrees by 10am....I dont think the BOP issue is going to change......anytime soon...until lofts are locked down...in certain areas...and that means all of them...and not just locked down..but closed up so the hawks cant see the birds...if they see them they will still come..if they kill and can see them they will stop by everyday...to look at all the food behind wire....you keep the birds out of site...they are out of mind....Since I have closed up my loft so the BOP cant get a visual.....This is my best year of flying so far....I have had 2 falcon attacks...on miss and one hit...and maybe 6 or 7 hawk attacks......and maybe only one bird killed...I have lost birds getting chased off...but I am conviced it is because I can button up my loft so the BOP cant see in.....year before last it was like pearl harbor at my house...3 or 4 hitting the kit at one time.....
I really dont think there is a good time to fly for everyone.
rock and ROLL
Paul
The W/C and Fall Fly kind of even out everything...for some fliers vs others...
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nicksiders
GOLD MEMBER
3761 posts
Nov 08, 2009
7:21 PM
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I think it boils down to just about 3 days per year that it is right or perfect to fly. We need to get our prelims and finals flown in those 3 days; both the WC and the NBRC of course(LOL)
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Just My Take On Things
Nick Siders
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Ballrollers
GOLD MEMBER
2129 posts
Nov 09, 2009
6:48 AM
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Paul
You bring up an excellent point. Every time I see these huge aviaries where birds can be easily seen from the air, I see hawk magnets. If you live in a hawk prone area, I agree with Paul, you must take actions to keep your birds hidden from view to some extent.
If we have fly pens that can be seen from above, we are just baiting the hawks and our losses will continue to rise each time we release our kits. I realize of course that birds will be exposed during settling and trap training, but I don't see any way around that. It all depends where you live and how severe you problem is.
Cliff
Last Edited by on Nov 09, 2009 6:48 AM
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Guil Rand
5 posts
Nov 09, 2009
4:39 PM
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There is no perfect time for everyone. In our club, the guys in the south central Utah area have 12 or 13 nesting pairs of falcons that are there from March thru October raising baby falcons. They have to lock their birds up all summer. If they try to fly in the summer, they will have no birds left. They have their club flies during the winter in freezing, snowy weather. A couple of them try to fly in the 2 big flies, but it is tough.
I talked to a guy in Texas several years ago about when would be good for them to fly. After going through a month by month search he came up with January as the only really good time to fly.
Guil Rand
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Ballrollers
GOLD MEMBER
2134 posts
Nov 09, 2009
5:47 PM
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I don't know how they endure it, Guil. I'm not sure that I could.
Cliff
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