fhtfire
2179 posts
Nov 01, 2009
7:04 PM
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LOL..X...I am not the politic or vote lobby type of guy....I let me actions speak louder then words....those who know me...know how I stand and what I can and cant do.....so I just leave it at that. I will be happy if I win and do my best...but if I dont...well..I will support whomever wins and keep on chugging along.
rock and ROLL
Paul
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Velo99
2185 posts
Nov 02, 2009
12:11 PM
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If I breed a bird as famous as 514 I wouldnt care if I was a master flyer or not.
lol
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nicksiders
GOLD MEMBER
3751 posts
Nov 02, 2009
1:04 PM
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Hell, I am 66 years old and I am just in my third year competing. I will be dead before I become a Master Flier(LOL).
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Just My Take On Things
Nick Siders
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
3452 posts
Nov 02, 2009
3:57 PM
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lol @Nick ,,come on Nick you be around for 15 more years I give you 40 more..
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Ralph.
Pigeons are not our whole life, but they damn sure make our lives whole!" ~
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Phantom1
241 posts
Nov 02, 2009
7:02 PM
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Hi Guil,
I've searched the NBRC site to no avail. Is it possible to for you to email the new and old Master Flyer program rules/guidelines? I'm not yet an active competitor but would like to develop a working knowledge of the arena before jumping in blindly.
Thank you in advance,
Eric
eric_stephens@tx.rr.com
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SpinCityRollers
296 posts
Nov 02, 2009
11:22 PM
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Hey am I correct or not Dont a bigger region get 1 qualifier for every 10 fliers 4 for 40 and 1 for 10 right what the advantage you tell me
MadMax
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Ballrollers
GOLD MEMBER
2114 posts
Nov 03, 2009
5:27 AM
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Guil,
Thanks for your comprehensive response. Hopefully the voice of reason, based on the facts, will keep paranoia, conspiracy theories and armchair quarter-backs from ruling the day.
Cliff
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Sunflower
GOLD MEMBER
551 posts
Nov 03, 2009
6:03 AM
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Max,
I couldn't give a fat rats ass about the Master Flier program but I would say the guy flying against 10 fliers has a big advantage over a guy flying against 40 fliers. More competition deserves more qualifiers, seems equitable to me.
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Keep em Spinning
Joe
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winwardrollers
324 posts
Nov 03, 2009
6:05 AM
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Guil
Good # 1 post..
Bwinward
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George R.
156 posts
Nov 03, 2009
7:08 AM
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Guil said "First I would like to assure everyone that there was not a conspiracy to try to tighten things up so that no more fliers could become Master Fliers. In fact quite the opposite is true. It is now possible for more fliers to receive master flier (MF) points in any given fly, than before."
Guil how can that be true ? the smaller regions dont even get 2nd and 3rd place points anymore . it would have been FAIR if the rules would have just added more points to the Bigger regions and keep the points the same for the smaller regions , Then it would have made Master Flyer status more attainable. Also how can it be easier to attain Master Flyer now when there is much more Birds of prey then there ever was? Every year the numbers of breeding Peregrin Falcons is increasing in every State across America and there is documented proof of those numbers.
How can the EC discussions be fair when Paul f. didnt even get my emails ? who knows what other Members of the EC didnt get my Emails? if they would have got my Emails maybe they would have Voted a different way, I guess we will never know because somehow the EC discussions are manipulated so inly a few members can get all the EC members Emails and others cant.
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George Ruiz
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Sunflower
GOLD MEMBER
552 posts
Nov 03, 2009
7:55 AM
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Guys,
I don't think club points are really a factor. I did an analysis of the 26 Master Fliers listed on the NBRC site and their point totals. There are only 4 that wouldn't still be Master Fliers if only WC and NBRC Fly points were counted. Hell, Heine made it in 8 years only using WC points, so it can be done. Seems like much ado over nothing. The stiffer the competition, the higher the reward! A guy who wins against 7 competitors shouldn't get as many points as a guy who wins against 30 in the regionals. Only makes sense.
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Keep em Spinning
Joe
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kcfirl
621 posts
Nov 03, 2009
8:43 AM
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Mad Max and George,
I'm going to say this as gently as I can:
QUIT WHINING.
Sincerely,
Ken Firl
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Ballrollers
GOLD MEMBER
2115 posts
Nov 03, 2009
8:44 AM
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Thank you, Ken!!!!
George,
You said,"How can the EC discussions be fair when Paul f. didnt even get my emails ? who knows what other Members of the EC didnt get my Emails? if they would have got my Emails maybe they would have Voted a different way, I guess we will never know because somehow the EC discussions are manipulated so inly a few members can get all the EC members Emails and others cant."
This is a load of bull crap! You've been watching too much TV. There has been no manipulation of the EC posts. "If" there have been any failures to recieve posts (and I seriously doubt there have been) it could only be the result of personal computer glitches or perhaps a temporary problem with the Yahoo Group. Your constant whining and complaining about things not going your way, and your conspiracy theories have been proven to be distortion and fabrication, over and over again. And you consider yourself a legitimate candidate for NBRC VP??????Give it up and go fly some rollers!
Cliff
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George R.
157 posts
Nov 03, 2009
9:01 AM
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Cliff
Are you calling Paul a liar ( you have questioned his integrity in the past) ? he said he did not get any of my emails during the discussions of the MF program.
Ken
No one is whinning , personally I am not concerned about ever becoming a Master Flyer , but I was elected to do a job as a RD and unlike other RD's I talk to those that voted for me and I voice thier concerns to the EC commitee.
I fly Birds for pleasure , I never planned on being a Master Flyer when I started flying and I still dont plan on ever becoming a Master Flyer .
Ken if you dont have anything constructive to add to this discussion then maybe you should find something else to do with your time (like fly some pigeons).
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George Ruiz
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
3769 posts
Nov 03, 2009
9:07 AM
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Is name calling about to erupt? The first one who calls someone a name has lost the debate. PERIOD!
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FLY ON!
Tony Chavarria
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Ballrollers
GOLD MEMBER
2116 posts
Nov 03, 2009
9:35 AM
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George,
Let's just say that I need to hear it from Paul, himself, whose integrity I do not question (just for the record). I don't see how it would be possible, since all our posts and responses are to the Yahoo Group and we read the posts of others by reading the Yahoo Group. I still say it is a function of the person (or computer)who sends the post, or receives the post...or some other Yahoo glitch...not some conspiracy.
Cliff
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George R.
158 posts
Nov 03, 2009
9:59 AM
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Cliff I still have all the emails of the MF discussion and I posted some for Paul to see and this is what he said ( see below). Also I would think that a civilized response to the EC email problem I mentioned would have been " hey george lets look into this issue " but obviously you are worried that I might win the NBRC VP position and you slam me every chance you get .
I said this before and in case you did not read it I will say it again "I am not as concerned with winning the VP election as some would think I am very confident that Guil or Paul will do a good job if they win the election".
Paul siad
George,
I dont have any of these..could you forward them to my private email....paulfullerton@sbcglobal.net...I am glad that you had them.....Because i was starting to wonder why there were no emails from you.....send a test email through EC too...I want to see if I get it.....
Anyway....George.....like I said in the last post....we have both been the majority and the minority....in decisions in our lives...but if you are in the minority....you accept and move on....but alot of fliers agree with it and most of the regions large and small agree with it....why stir the pot..especially when it was mostly yes votes...anyway.....I did not mean to question you...but I did not have any emails..and it did not make sense..do you have emails from the points chart debates...thanks
rock and ROLL
Paul
I dont know if you are supposed to post EC emails in a public forum...but I dont know.
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George Ruiz
Last Edited by on Nov 03, 2009 10:02 AM
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Ballrollers
GOLD MEMBER
2118 posts
Nov 03, 2009
11:30 AM
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George,
Don't you think that it's a bit unusual that no other EC member has ever indicated that they experienced something like this? Did you contact Alex and ask him to look into the problem? Have you (and Paul)not continued to receive all the e-mails about EC business since that time without any problems? Don't you think that a conspiracy on the part of someone on the EC, in order to be effective, would have to involve more than a few communications between only two of the 28 or so members of the EC on one issue? What good would that do? What impact would that have on the vote on any issue? Your conspiracy theory simply looks like a long shot from where I stand, George. It wreaks more of paranoia.
I have no interest in slamming you at every opportunity. That would be a waste of my time. Fact is....communications between you and I on the various roller forums has been almost cordial for a period of time. But I do have a problem with an active member of the EC using a public forum to accuse its other members of some sort of conspiracy to interfere with the fair exchange of communication in an unethical effort to influence the vote, rather than going directly to the EC itself with your accusations and insinuations (and evidence, if you have any). That is a clear violation of personal ethics in my book. "Going behind the back" is not the kind of behavior one would like to see from individuals who hold office or are seeking to hold office, whether it is you or anybody else. And I would cry "foul" just as loud if it was it anyone else running for any other office. I think you know me that well by now.
Cliff
Last Edited by on Nov 03, 2009 11:35 AM
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pat66
424 posts
Nov 03, 2009
11:39 AM
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----------Is it any wonder why there is so many backyard flyers? JMO
Pat
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George R.
159 posts
Nov 03, 2009
11:39 AM
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"Going Behind the back "
I wouldnt talk about going behind peoples back if I were you Cliff , I still have the email where you slammed some of the EC Council members calling them Monsonites and Ostriches REMEMBER That ?
Also did I ever say there was a Conspiracy ? all I said was how can the EC discussion be fair if all the members of the EC dont get all the Emails from other members . Go back and read the post before you try to twist things around.
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George Ruiz
Last Edited by on Nov 03, 2009 12:06 PM
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fhtfire
2181 posts
Nov 03, 2009
6:10 PM
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First off...Gil...very nice post...I could not have said it better myself.
George and Cliff....
I did not receive 1 email from just George....I did state that in one of my posts...but I also stated that I did not look through every email to see if there was a reply from George in the body of other emails...I have done that now and found some that were replied to....so it show up as someone elses name...but a reply form George is in there.
I was having a problem getting emails....and I did notify yahoo groups.....and it must have been my email program..throwing some into spam and that is still occuring....
Anyway...so if George was in the body of others...that means that I did read his emails at one point....I read all of them....but I cant remember all of the especially from the MF..because like Gil stated...there were a TON of discussions and emails...and I was actually impressed by how it was handled and how everyone was so much into making it right.
Again, I will state it loud and clear...there was no secret agenda on the MF overhaul.
I will say this...I TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH the club points being included...if you change how you get points half way through...you either remove all the points from past fliers or you don't change....because how you get the points...Championship fly or W/C...or Club points...if your remove all the W/C points you remove them from everyone and the same goes for Club points....this problem needs to be fixed or the MF program will never be legite and the MF the get the MF award with club points included will not get the respect.....and I will say..no respect from me....Club points to me are fun flys and can easily be manipulated ..there is really no way to confirm or keep track of those scores.....but you can on the W/C and Fall Fly..they are all in black and white.
I am going to talk to my region and see if they want me to bring for the EC to remove Club points from all fliers...and those that have the MF already will have a little star by there name.....and if they continue to fly and win the big flys.....and they get enough points with the big flys....the star will be removed....
I do not think it is fair that half the fliers have to get it on the big flys and many are close using club flys.....Like Gil says...he did not make the rule change in the past but we can sure as hell make it right.
George...just so you know....my mind would not have changed by your replies...I voted based on all the discussions....and what I felt was fair for my region that I represent.
rock and ROLL
Paul
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Ballrollers
GOLD MEMBER
2119 posts
Nov 03, 2009
6:16 PM
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George,
The difference is that my concerns and criticisms were my personal opinions at the time, expressed to one man in a private e-mail that was never meant for public viewing; nor meant to undermine the NBRC EC on a public forum; and for which I made a public apology to the EC. It was subsequently stolen by someone who asked to use my computer, and made public without my knowledge or permission, and being hoarded by those, like yourself, who intend to save it to try to discredit me at some future point in time when it suits them. On the other hand, your accusations on this forum are designed to stir up trouble and undermine the NBRC EC on a public forum. Statements you have made such as, "I guess we will never know because somehow the EC discussions are manipulated so only a few members can get all the EC members Emails and others can't." are clearly designed to promote the idea that there is some sort of conspiracy or unethical activity taking place on the part of the EC. That is, once again, deliberately misleading and has no basis in reality as you can see.
Cliff
Last Edited by on Nov 03, 2009 6:40 PM
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fhtfire
2182 posts
Nov 03, 2009
6:22 PM
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I just want everyone to know that I did not jump on this topic to defend how I voted....I was defending the hard work that was put in by every EC member....this was a process that took months...with emails EVERY DAY discussing and debating....and again..I felt so good about how the process was handled.
Again...there was no shotgun blast approach...we broke down every rule line by line....and discussed and voted...we had to go back to the drawing board NUMEROUS times....if anything Guil should get credit for working so hard on his point chart......with that said......let the ship sail and if it is SO bad then start shooting at the ship.....
We also must learn that we cant always agree and for an organization to succeed....we cant keep living in the past..and if you are the minority on certain issues....then you have to realize you are the minority and move on....that is called a democracy.....you can still believe..but why make waves..it just makes it worse....like they say on survivor...the tribe has spoke...and the torch is put out....then you move on to the next battle...because the show starts all over the next week
rock and ROLL
Paul
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George R.
160 posts
Nov 03, 2009
6:42 PM
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Paul said
'George...just so you know....my mind would not have changed by your replies...I voted based on all the discussions....and what I felt was fair for my region that I represent.'
Paul I can respect that ,
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George Ruiz
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JMUrbon
758 posts
Nov 04, 2009
7:20 AM
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Very good and well thought out post Guil. Makes it easy to understand if in fact you are trying to understand. If you are just looking to ridicule the new system I doubt you will find this post helpful. Joe
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A Proven Family of Spinners
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Ballrollers
GOLD MEMBER
2120 posts
Nov 04, 2009
8:05 AM
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Thank you for taking the time to develope such a thorough and comprehensive summation of the work the EC did on this project, Guil, and for the outstanding explanation of how the system works.
Cliff
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
3454 posts
Nov 04, 2009
8:22 AM
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I'm a outsider but that sure explains how fair is fair.
and just want to say to Guil.. Welcome since I notice your first post....
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Ralph.
Pigeons are not our whole life, but they damn sure make our lives whole!" ~
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SpinCityRollers
297 posts
Nov 04, 2009
7:26 PM
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just pay your dues and shut up
Because if you disagree your a whiner.
I stop competing for a whole year because I needed to enjoy my bird for me again
Keith London Made realize that I really enjoyed the break now that am back I better make the best of it
Hey Guil to me you are special you change my Life with your book and I enjoyed meeting you in Texas at the convention.Something I never though I would accomplish in my wildest dream growing up in south Central Los Angeles. You are truly a first class guy as you can tell by now I have a big mouth and I sure like to use it
I really enjoyed your explanation of the new rules it gives me a new understanding to the concept. I guess the bad has to pay for the good no one can please everyone and that just like it is in life
So I will Live with the new rules and continue to compete at the highest level I can and enjoy my Birds
again
Fly ON '
That Dude MaD MaX
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
3455 posts
Nov 04, 2009
8:07 PM
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Right on Mad Max continue to compete at the highest level and most important enjoy your birds ...good luck..
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Ralph.
Pigeons are not our whole life, but they damn sure make our lives whole!" ~
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George R.
161 posts
Nov 04, 2009
9:00 PM
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Max
I am glad you understand the new rules .. now we can move on and fly some Pigeons .
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George Ruiz
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PAUL R.
118 posts
Nov 05, 2009
3:12 PM
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Im not some computer wiz here,but if George Ruiz has these ( emails ) saved on his computer that he sent. I would assume its worth its weight in water. He has PROOF !. Guil Rand & Cliff Ball question for you guys. Whats the purpose of having 4 or more qualifiers? when only 3 of the qualifiers will earn points for being finalist, and the last one gets zero but qualifys for the finals? I believe if you qualify you should get points for qualifying regardless of how many qaulifyers came out of the region .
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rtwilliams
GOLD MEMBER
475 posts
Nov 05, 2009
6:34 PM
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Paul I am not sure I understand your question
my interpertaion of the rules:
If a club enters 10 kits and they all fly 2 people get master flyer points and only one qualifier
15 to 19 kits flown, 1 qualifer 3 people get MF points
20 to 29 kits flown 4 or 5 peole getting points, but only 2 qualifiers in the Championship.
I guess if kits are not flown you could get into the problem you stated, but if 40 kits are entered for 4 qualifiers, and only 20 flown 4 still get MF points.
I do not see how what you are saying can happen?
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RT Williams
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Guil Rand
3 posts
Nov 06, 2009
5:50 AM
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Paul R,
You bring up a good point. Under the old system, if you had 40 kits flown in a region, you could have 4 people qualify for the finals, but only three of them would receive master flyer points. Just another inequity with the old system. If you have 40 kits flown under the new system, you will have 4 qualifiers, and 8 people will receive master flyer points! That seems a lot more fair to me.
There is a difference between kits "entered", and kits "flown". The total number of kits "entered" determines the number of qualifiers a region will have. 10 kits entered per qualifier for NBRC fly, and 15 kits entered per qualifier for World Cup fly. At least 50% of the kits entered must actually be flown to to get the maximum number of qualifiers. Master Flyer Points are determined by the actual number of kits that are "flown", not by the number of kits "entered".
This change in the rules will hopefully encourage regions to not just enter kits, but to also fly them.
Guil Rand
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Mongrel Lofts
605 posts
Nov 06, 2009
8:32 AM
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Hey Paul,
Your common sense makes me glad me and the wife voted for you.
Guil, thanks for laying out the system so everyone could understand it.
Jon Farr, it's an honor to fly rollers with men like you! Your an example all of us competitors should follow. Thanks guys. And by the way, I agree with you guys! LOL. KGB
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SpinCityRollers
314 posts
Dec 07, 2009
7:05 PM
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PROOF WHY THIS PROGRAM IS A JOKE
AND HERE ARE THE RESULTS
a GUY HAD 149 PTS I HAD 210 HE FINISH 2 PLACES AHEAD OF ME YET HE SHOT PAST ME LIKE i WAS STANDING STILL HE NOW HAS 300 PTS AN D i HAVE 290 this is fair
that fairness for yah. if they cant beat yah they cheat yah NBRC.
Ill just have to fly on
stuck in tha hind end and got to luv it
MadMax
Last Edited by on Dec 07, 2009 7:10 PM
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nicksiders
GOLD MEMBER
3925 posts
Dec 07, 2009
8:59 PM
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I am thinking that these point totals were not in the finals. I am thinking it was your regional scores. I am also thinking you are in different regions and had different judges. If my think is correct then my only reply would "DUH" and don't call me again.
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Just My Take On Things
Nick Siders
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cv rollers
504 posts
Dec 07, 2009
9:28 PM
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Spin cant u buy ur points?by the looks of things u can buy a Q spot by paying for double the kits then just write down DNF thats what i see going on even if some people dont want to admit it,this is just my opinion from someone looking in from the out side.I just seen the fall fly results and just about every region had a bunch of double kits that DNF ???Am i wrong if so please explain the double kits and the DNF.I am new to the game so i do not say i am correct ,but if it walks like a duck its a duck ????JMO
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Rick Flores
coachellavalleyrollers.net
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SpinCityRollers
315 posts
Dec 07, 2009
9:33 PM
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nick stop smoking that good stuff
he just few against 9 more kits than I that it
and got almost 100 more points
of course he got points for his second team which finished 5 place and he got 24 points if I did the same recieve nothing even if I finished 3rd in my region I recieved nothing but I know the game and if it does nt effect them they dont giva dam and that it
we want to fly with other region but they choose not to so am stucked and f-- and that thats that
Fly on
I will challenge anybody I mean anybody Period
Mad Max
fly on
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fhtfire
2279 posts
Dec 07, 2009
11:47 PM
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Max,
you just said it all...he got points for his second team....and he flew against more kits....that is just the way it is..the more competition the more points...to me that is a no brainer...if you dont have enoug fliers in your region strat getting down and getting people to fly...every year in our region I have to beat the brush to get fliers...you have the old faithfuls that fly year after year...and then you haev the guys that fly no matter what to support the region....then the remaining guys you have to beat the brush and get people flying and entering...if you notice 9B...every year you see the same fliers...but every year you also see new fliers....it is in a constant flux..meaining one year..I will pick up two or three new fliers and for some reason and old flier backs out...this year...Joe Urbon and Chuck Roe did not fly and they almost always fly..but then we picked up Mookie and Larry.....last year we picked up Big Willy and he flew this year too..but last year we lost Miguel G...but this year he was back...this year we also lost Scott Campbell..and Brent timeus..becuase Scott did not fly...Bent I am sure said screw it because it is out there..and we had enough fliers for qualifiers...so you have to beat the brush man..every year I am emailing about 3 months out.....talking on the phone....getting fliers to fly....are club helps with costs..and we have a good time....
But the fact is...more fliers...more points...hell look at me last year...I went up like 190 points in one year...because my kit took first and second in the regionals and 5th in the finals...but I am sure that some regional fliers got more points then me cause the had more fliers...but I understand more comp more points...more comp more meaning...I am an ex athlete and still compete in Motocross and other things...but in every competition..the more people you have to compete against the more meaning and more points...
Your time will come Max...just keep chugging along....just remember...insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result...so..with that...jsut remember....fly for the love of the birds and the friendship...winning and masterflier is just icing on the cake...but cake taste damn good without icing....and the fact that they all work hand in hand....
You want a challenge....I'm your huckleberry.....pick the day my brother.......fly A and B team against A and B team...we write down band numbers so no birds are in the same team....and then total the scores...a true Master flier could have two teams hitting on all cylinders right?
rock and ROLL
Paul
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fhtfire
2280 posts
Dec 08, 2009
12:10 AM
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Rick,
The way the rules are written you get a qualifier for every kit ENTERED. So many RD's do the smart thing and do what they are supposed to do..and that is ENTER as many kits as possible to get as many qualifiers as possible. Not all DNF are purchased just count as a DNF..in our region..every flier can fly two if they want....many fliers at the time we pay the dues are ready to fly two kits but of course from Sept-Oct things happen..some fliers have overflys...or BOP issues etc etc..and they no longer have the strong second teams....or may just have to add a young bird team....so if the top scores are way up there and they know that there young bird team has no way of winning..the FLIER makes the choice to fly or not to fly...currently the world cut rules state you have to fly 50% of the kits...as you can tell...many regions flew more than even the world cup rules..so..anyway...if the flier chooses not to fly the second kit....that is up to them...some dont want to waste club money for fuel to watch a young bird team....or BOP is to bad and they are afraid to lose even more birds...so...you are right..you are buying kits....but dont confuse ghost kits with DNF..ghost kits are kits that do not exist..and that is wrong....but a DNF is nothing more then that...DNF...as long as a DNF is allowed then we are AOK....so my advice to other RD's is get as many qualifiers as possible and just follow the rules....
there are lots of rules that I dont agree with..when I am on my street bike I think the speed limit of 55 is way to slow...but rules are rules...as much as I dont agree or dont like....you are not breaking them if you are following them...
The more kits entered also helps the NBRC support the fly....I checked the amount of DNF and it totalled almost 4,000.00 in revenue to the NBRC...that pretty much covered the airline fights....so...if there is not enough revenue to conduct the fly.we have no fly...1 qualifier in a region or 3 in a region...the place ticket is the same price...get my point....the term..dont cut off your nose dispite your face..or dont trip over dollars to pick up pennies...
The way I look at it..is this..and that is just me...when you are in the finals your are flying for you..not your region....so to me it does no matter if a region has 3 or 1 qualifier...the finals is like a brand new fly.....and the fact that having more or less qualifiers does not change your odds of winning..becuase your birds are competiting against themselves...meaning...its not like a race where you go from point A to point B....the more bird the better your chances...but in rollers...it your team against itself..if it does good it will be at the top...and you could have 3 other qualifiers choke...and they are at the bottom..Hell look at me..I took first in my region and Bill C...placed alot higher then me in the finals....so its a whole new fly...I hope I am making sense....
In short...if RD's are not using the rules to there advantage....that is the choice of that region.
rock and ROLL
Paul
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cv rollers
505 posts
Dec 08, 2009
8:05 AM
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Thanks Paul for explaining the rule, just hope we all follow those rules,ur right we dont always like the rules but we have to follow them ,just seams like a loop hole to buy a Q spot!!!!!Thanks paul
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Rick Flores
coachellavalleyrollers.net
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Scott
2671 posts
Dec 08, 2009
9:27 AM
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Rick,only kits "flown" count towards master flyer points.
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Scott Campbell
" God Bless "
Last Edited by on Dec 08, 2009 9:27 AM
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SpinCityRollers
317 posts
Dec 08, 2009
10:02 AM
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you got it paul am your huckle berry
Ill let you know that date probably
sometime in may or april
1st team against 1 team
judge TBD
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fhtfire
2282 posts
Dec 08, 2009
10:06 AM
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Rick,
You are right..you are buying a Q spot in some situations...but why not take advantage of the rule and better your region....it makes the flys alot more fun when you open up a couple more qualifier spots..you see its kind of like it makes everyone happy..it gives the flier flexibility and no pressure to put up birds if there is a fear of flying or cant fly because of unforeseen cicumstances...and there is no animosity amoungst the fliers if a flier pulls out and a region loses a qualifier...then you have friction...some would say sacrafice for the region..some would say...my birds....and I dont want to fly.....gives the fliers an ace in the whole and not needing to pull it if you dont have to...that second kit is the ace in the hole...sometimes the second kit is just young and a flier enters just to support the region...but decides that it would be a waste of time fuel and energy to just fly a team that flips...and that is totally the fliers choice...the main point is...the team of birds has to be there....you have to have a second kit......now buying kits that are not even there is not right...the other issue is that the NBRC makes more money to support the fly....the intention of the rule is to make everyone happy and give flexibility because of unforseen cicumstances....I just think every region should strive....to get as many kits as possible and get as many qualifiers as possible...and to run your region the way you want...fly them all or dont....that is just up to each indvidual region to decide...
rock and roll
Paul
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Scott
2673 posts
Dec 08, 2009
10:08 AM
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Max, man I love guys like you and Paul that want to put them up , this is going to be fun !!!!
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Scott Campbell
" God Bless "
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SpinCityRollers
318 posts
Dec 08, 2009
10:09 AM
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I away thought that the NBRC care more about its members and it concerns. But I see more and more it a buddy buddy type of system. Just my believe the master flyer program is a joke now for me we tried to merge with Utah or anyone to increase our point output too but of course that will never happen again
and NO ONE WAS COMPLAINING ABOUT THE OLD RULES but some people saw it to be important to change it but now that it bitting him in the ass he is try to stop his region from splitting funny how things work out
Too many changes to many schemes no more intergrety
an a joke to me.
MAdmax
Ready willing and able
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Scott
2674 posts
Dec 08, 2009
10:13 AM
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Max, the old rules were a mess and were making a joke of the program , there is no buddy system in play.
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Scott Campbell
" God Bless "
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SpinCityRollers
319 posts
Dec 08, 2009
10:21 AM
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hey scott it doesnt matter here are my rules now try to kick anybody and everybody a_s and that that so I got a whole lot of praying and a lifetime of work to do now to back up my big mouth
LUV ALL OF YAH
jUST got to move on an work harder now
no one can stop what is imminent
Mad Max
and keep em spinning
Last Edited by on Dec 08, 2009 10:22 AM
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