darkhorse09
135 posts
Oct 31, 2009
3:43 PM
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Hi
I have some rollers that will do several rolls and then land. This is when they are flying at a low height. When flying higher they won't do that many rolls. My dad said these rollers are short roller (is that true).
Also are badge tumblers the same as birmingham rollers. If you pair them together is it cross breeding or not?
Thanks
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quickspin
1078 posts
Oct 31, 2009
4:08 PM
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The badges are not the same as the Birmingham Rollers two different birds.
The best thing is to go to a known breeder that fly's Birmingham Rollers and purchase a pair or two. Because you really don't know what you have right now. By buying from a known breeder you will start in the correct way and just get rid of the ones you got right now. This is what I recommend you doing.
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Salas Loft
Last Edited by on Oct 31, 2009 4:09 PM
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JDA
GOLD MEMBER
569 posts
Oct 31, 2009
4:47 PM
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There are badge rollers red check badge, red bar badge, mealy bar badge and so on. Badge is just white on the head over one eye for example.In a show they class them in a marked class. If you have a tumbler with white on it head, its still a tumbler, nothing to do with a roller.JDA
Last Edited by on Oct 31, 2009 4:48 PM
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darkhorse09
136 posts
Oct 31, 2009
5:11 PM
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I got rollers from proper Birmingham roller breeders. These are good pigeons.
So are you saying that a short roller is not a roller??
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JDA
GOLD MEMBER
570 posts
Oct 31, 2009
5:24 PM
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What I,am saying is you said you had badge tumblers if there rollers why are you calling them tumblers?? Anyway badge is not a breed it is just white marks on the head of a pigeon.JDA
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George R.
150 posts
Oct 31, 2009
5:34 PM
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According to a old timer that knew Pensom personally he told me that the red badges were indeed Birmingham rollers. He said they were just cultivated for frequency and short rolls so they could score lots of points in kit comps.
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George Ruiz
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pigeon pete
420 posts
Oct 31, 2009
6:15 PM
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bage is indeed a colour pattern, but it is also a breed of English tumbler. (confusion is understandable)They are flown in tumbler competitions. The mag is another tumbler breed but they generally have a different clour.
They are believed to come from common stock that includes the roller but are now regarded as a different breed.
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3757
1313 posts
Oct 31, 2009
11:21 PM
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George - You ask your old timer friend if the badges are Black country rollers and I Bet you he will tell you no. If he is an old timer he will know what I am talking about. That is like saying fireballs are Birminghams also but they are different as night and day from the black country breeders birds.
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Ty Coleman
796 posts
Nov 01, 2009
3:35 AM
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Either way you look at it, to me a tumbler or short roller has no place in my kitbox. But if thats what you like go for it.
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Ty
Vapor Trail Lofts
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darkhorse09
137 posts
Nov 01, 2009
4:10 AM
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Thanks for the advice people. Everyone has their own opinions and I appreciate that. So if I bred a "short roller" to a birmingham roller would the young be classified as cross breds or not?
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sbrc
180 posts
Nov 01, 2009
4:28 AM
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darkhorse ,you have two different breeds of pigeon there, the badges are completely different from the rollers i should know ive got them both , keep your badges seperatly , if you cross them you will mostly breed short roller/ tumblers , this was the wrong place to ask this question as most us fliers wont know what your talking about , badge tumblers are a uk breed originated in the midlands of england , whats confusing is that the term " badge " also refers to the facial marking of pigeons , have a look at the post on here titled mason birds theres a picture by rudy zupp of proper red bagde english tumblers , now i know george mason had some red badge tumblers from a top english flier named burt walton , these he sold now it would seem that theres some of them in the us my only concern is that they may be getting confused with mason birmingham rollers
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
3449 posts
Nov 01, 2009
4:41 AM
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If you breed lets say a 5 feet roller that came out of your Birmingham family to a 50 feet Birmingham roller from the same family just because it's a 5 foot short roller doesn't mean you crossing it.I wouldn't breed a 5 footer just using an example.. now if you cross another breed into your birds you crossing it..or there is another term for crossing too like cross breeding your family of Birminghams into my family of Birmingham.an out cross to an unrelated stock...some ppl inbreed, linebreed or out cross..but using the same breed of birds. I hope this helps. ----------
Ralph.
Pigeons are not our whole life, but they damn sure make our lives whole!" ~
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katyroller
626 posts
Nov 01, 2009
8:22 AM
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sbrc,
There are in fact proper Badge Tumblers in the U.S.. I know of an English gentleman in Ca. that raises them. I think the breed is still rather rare here in the U.S. so most BR men have never seen them and confuse them with "badge" marked BR's.
Tracey
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katyroller
627 posts
Nov 01, 2009
8:26 AM
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darkhorse09,
Keep your Badge Tumblers seperate from the BR's. They are two seperate breeds and crossing them would be considered crossbreeding. My guess is if you did cross them you would get a short tumbler that didn't meet the standard of either breed, in other words garbage. I really like the performance description of the Badges and would love to see a kit at work.
Tracey
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darkhorse09
138 posts
Nov 01, 2009
9:46 AM
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Thanks for the advice. The pigeons I have look like this:
Let me know if these look like badges to you. They have got roller rings on and the 2nd image is hen that was given to me by a friend in the UK who keeps rollers. The red cock in the 1st image, I gave the ring number to the club secretery and he told me that this pigeon is from a good breed. I could try uploading a video of it flying (once the weather gets better in UK!)
Last Edited by on Nov 05, 2009 9:39 AM
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sbrc
181 posts
Nov 01, 2009
10:54 AM
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those are birmingham rollers darkhorse , whats on the rings ?
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darkhorse09
139 posts
Nov 01, 2009
2:07 PM
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The pigeons in the 1st link got MRPC (midlands roller pigeon club) rings on srbc. The 2nd one is a East Anglian Flying Roller Club (EAFRC)
Early on in this topic I explained how they flew. So therefore are you saying that they are Birmingham rollers?
Thanks
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sbrc
182 posts
Nov 01, 2009
3:29 PM
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yes birmingham rollers, just because they are club rung birds dosnt mean that they are any good as performers there are good and bad rollers , you really need to find your local club ,join it ,then you can get to know people who fly the good birds , you need to see some good birds up to give you an idea what to look for , good luck cheers fred
ps theres a mrpc show and auction in bromgrove next week call jay he will tell you about it
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darkhorse09
140 posts
Nov 02, 2009
9:58 AM
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True say srbc, the stock might be from a good breed but the pigeons might be rubbish.
I am a member of the MRPC (well my dad is and I do go with him to the show) and did go to the show this year in summer. I have seen jay (speedball's) rollers and they are amazing. Really liked them.
Are you based in the uk srbc?
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sbrc
183 posts
Nov 03, 2009
11:22 AM
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yes im in brum ,will be at the show if you see jay ask him to point me out then come and say hello ,cheers fred
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darkhorse09
141 posts
Nov 04, 2009
9:51 AM
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I contacted Jay and he said he might come or might not. He will let me know. It would be nice to see you. My real name is Ahmed
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speedball
554 posts
Nov 05, 2009
9:30 AM
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darkhorse, this is the problem you will suffer when you get birds from here, there and everywhere. you need to go round the flies and find birds that suit you and your environvent then purchase as many of that breeder as you can. making sure they are relativly close bred. put them in breeder and sort and keep all the good birds to start your own family.
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darkhorse09
142 posts
Nov 05, 2009
9:39 AM
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Thanks for the advice speedball. Would you say get rid of all my pigeons I have at the moment and start fresh? Also is it around this time when people will sell their pigeons?
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speedball
555 posts
Nov 05, 2009
9:42 AM
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i dont know what you have. most fanciers have gone into lockdown so you will be lucky to get birds at this time. best time is when lofts are full of kits of youngsters. a man can get confused!
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darkhorse09
143 posts
Nov 05, 2009
2:28 PM
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Thanks for letting me know
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scatty
3 posts
Jan 11, 2010
4:59 AM
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hello al i am trying to contact fred biddle i think hes on site as sbrc can anyone knowing him ask him to ring dennis he knows me my number is 07891147878 im in brum
regards dennis
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sbrc
185 posts
Jan 12, 2010
12:41 PM
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ok folks ive been in touch with dennis thanks
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darkhorse09
150 posts
Jan 16, 2010
3:40 AM
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Welcome to the forum Scatty nice to see another uk member on this forum.
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