nicksiders
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3812 posts
Nov 16, 2009
10:49 PM
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If one bird has landed leaving 19 birds still in the kit; does the scoring stop once another (one) bird becomes an out bird or does it still take two out birds to stop the scoring even though one bird has landed??
This is MY read on it. The bird that landed counts for one outbird. The next bird that is considered out stops the scoring until it returns to kit.
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Just My Take On Things
Nick Siders
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Squabby*32
120 posts
Nov 17, 2009
2:42 AM
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That's how I understand it. After the first bird lands, any other bird not in the kit deems the kit unscoreable until it returns to the kit formation.
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XtraDeepRoller
60 posts
Nov 17, 2009
9:07 AM
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Come on Nick, this is Competition Rules 101. Your read on it is correct, why even ask the question? You have been an RD long enough to either have known the answer to that question, or you should have asked the fly director, or any experienced comp guy, way before now.
X
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nicksiders
GOLD MEMBER
3816 posts
Nov 17, 2009
2:24 PM
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I knew the answer, but many others do not and it is a way to get people involved in a discussion to understand competition and the rules for it.
X - are you Rick Mee? You argue with the same "sound" reasoning as he does.
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Nick Siders
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nicksiders
GOLD MEMBER
3817 posts
Nov 17, 2009
4:26 PM
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So...............a bird that lands early.........(LOL)
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Ty Coleman
815 posts
Nov 17, 2009
5:50 PM
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Nick,I was also wondering if X=Mee Lol I think it does also.
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Ty
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nicksiders
GOLD MEMBER
3819 posts
Nov 17, 2009
7:00 PM
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Yea, no matter if they change thier name on the internet; they don't change who they are. I think I know who "Color 101" is as well.
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XtraDeepRoller
61 posts
Nov 17, 2009
7:57 PM
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Nick and Ty,
No, I'm not Mee-Mee.
Why did you guys have to go there? I didn't call you names.
X
LOL
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nicksiders
GOLD MEMBER
3822 posts
Nov 17, 2009
9:06 PM
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Well, you know who Ty Coleman is and nicksiders. Your name is a secret and it is hard to take anyone seriously that we can't see or don't know who they are.
You can keep your secret if you want, but it would be nice to know who we are talking to or about(LOL).
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Nick Siders
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Ballrollers
GOLD MEMBER
2144 posts
Nov 18, 2009
7:01 AM
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Nick
I also think questions about the fly rules are interesting. And getting flyers to actually think about the rules, can often times lead to learning experiences.
What I think you are getting at is that many times flyers learn the understanding of the rules, not from the rules themselves but "interpretations of the rules" from other flyers, judges and RD's. If that interpretation is flawed or correct, it gets passed down by word of mouth. What I see, sometimes, are vast differences in the implementation of the rules, from region to region and judge to judge, due to these differences in interpretations of the same rule. If the rule is understood correctly by an overwhelming majority of the regions, there is nothing wrong with the rule. But where mis- interpretations are found, the correct meaning of the rules simply needs to be "ENFORCED". There is the rub, who wants to be the enforcer? How do we enforce rule interpretations? Can a judge be wrong in his interpretation, but use the "integrity clause" to impose his "take" on the rules and his sense of what is "right", on the understanding held by a majority of the flyers? Who judges the judge?
If the "PROBLEM" is the integrity clause, can it be re-written to help solve the problem? Is "subjectivity" encumbered in any way if the judge is asked to score by the rules as written and understood by the majority of those being judged? Should a judge, judge by his standards or the rules' standards?
Happy Holidays Gentlemen
Cliff
Last Edited by on Nov 18, 2009 7:08 AM
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
3780 posts
Nov 18, 2009
7:51 AM
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Nick, some guys still want to use the Internet and think that they can remain anonymous while pretending to be an expert and then spend their time lecturing and correcting others. As far as I am concerned, to have any sustained credibility on this site, one has to reveal who they are.
In my view, if x does reveal his identity, it means he has the credentials to back up what he is saying, if he does not, it means he has been fooling everyone and should not be listened to any further.
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FLY ON!
Tony Chavarria
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PAUL R.
119 posts
Nov 18, 2009
8:02 AM
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I agree with Tony, Well said
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Sunflower
GOLD MEMBER
556 posts
Nov 18, 2009
8:07 AM
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Tony,
I couldn't agree with you more. I assign no credibility to anyone who hides behind a "nom de plume". They should fill out their profile so we know who they are!!
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Keep em Spinning
Joe
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nicksiders
GOLD MEMBER
3824 posts
Nov 18, 2009
8:25 AM
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Cliff, good points. To sum up what I feel about judging is the judge should only make judgements based on the rules' standard. There are too many who are making judgement calls based upon thier standards and some get very self rightious about it believing thier standards are superior and will do more for the breed than the club's standards. Thier thinking is not only arrogant, but it is flawd; wrong; and counter productive towards growing interest in the club and its activity.
Birds and kits are developed in each backyard according to the written rules and standards and along comes a judge with a different set of standards using some different rules. Interest will begin to wane if this is left unchecked. What good will become of it if no one is left to compete because thier interest has been drained from them?
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Nick Siders
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George R.
175 posts
Nov 18, 2009
8:41 AM
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Cliff and Nick
You both are so RIGHT .. The written rules should be Followed. that would avoid lots of headaches..
Personal preferences should only be used in our own Backyards... ... NO EXEPTIONS>>>>
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George Ruiz
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XtraDeepRoller
62 posts
Nov 18, 2009
8:34 PM
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Oh I have the "credentials", Tony. My good friends on here, all top roller men, know who I am and know why I need to stay incognito. Scott has already vouched for me in a post a few months ago, and everyone on here knows that he would never let me get away with anything, if I couldn't back up what I say.
X
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nicksiders
GOLD MEMBER
3825 posts
Nov 18, 2009
9:08 PM
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Bull Poop. You don't have good enough credentials to even share your name with all here. Incognito? Only the top roller men know who you are(LMAO) Are you a 12 year old? I think you better keep your secret and remain incognito (LOL) to keep us from grinning in your face. You secret agent man, you(LMAO).
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Nick Siders
Last Edited by on Nov 19, 2009 1:38 AM
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George R.
177 posts
Nov 18, 2009
9:14 PM
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"Bull POOP"
Thats Funny Nick
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George Ruiz
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nicksiders
GOLD MEMBER
3829 posts
Nov 18, 2009
9:56 PM
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Ivan? Is that you?
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
3782 posts
Nov 18, 2009
9:59 PM
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Well x, sounds like you have some pretty important work to do. I will just sit here before you and absorb the morsels of truth you bestow upon us. Can hardly wait until the first one.
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FLY ON!
Tony Chavarria
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wishiwon2
233 posts
Nov 18, 2009
10:34 PM
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Nick said "Poop" ... Nick said "Poop" haha hhaaaaa ha ha haaaaa
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Jon
If it were easy, everybody would do it
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