George R.
198 posts
Nov 24, 2009
11:38 AM
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Do you think a person(s) that is a former World Cup , NBRC Fall Fly winner or a Master Flyer or Long time Flyer, should be allowed to pick the time they Fly in the NBRC Fall fly and World Cup prelims ?
Should other Flyers have to take a back seat just to accomodate these Guys ?
Cliff I hope to hear your answer with a explanation ...
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bman
731 posts
Nov 24, 2009
11:54 AM
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C'mon Cliff, take the "bait". It's too quite around here.LOL
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Ron
Borderline lofts
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ron
88 posts
Nov 24, 2009
11:58 AM
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C'mon Cliff i am with Ron it's too quiet.LMAO
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R.Luna/HDRC
LUNA'S LOFT
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fhtfire
2226 posts
Nov 24, 2009
11:59 AM
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George....I am sure different regions do it different..but in 9B...the finals schedule is based on who won the prelims...so if Bill C took first...Ken Firl second and me third...then Bill C would have first pick to fly and so on.
As far as the prelims go....it is based on ease of travel..to get the most amount of kits done in the least amount of time and driving. We also try and keep everyone in the morning hours. If a flier has two kits..they will get one good fly time and one in the afternoon. So basically it is based driving time.
For Example...with us...Friday was Yuba City area and South Sac...Yuba City is 45min from Sac...so we had two fliers in Yuba City...and 3 or so in South Sac..so we ended about 1pm....Saturday was Woodland then to Sac basically up the I-80 corridor and ending in New Castle....then on Sunday...we went the opposite...starting in Sac and then coming back to Woodland and then finishing in Fairfield.
So...it does not matter if you won every comp in the world or a new flier....it is only based on ease of travel...but we try and make sure that at least one kit gets a morning fly...
If there is a special request do to work or something....we try and work it out...or it is based on the flier not having the birds to take a prime spot...I have had fliers tell me to put them last because there birds are young or they dont have the kit due to lack of training or what have you....so it is basically up to the flier to make a decision to fly a WORSE spot.
So...nobody gets to pick a time....you try to accomodate based on actual problems..like work or family...not based on fly record....that does not matter...
To be honest with you..I dont think there is a good fly time....unless you have extreme heat etc...if you put your birds on the fly time and get them used to it....then the time does not matter...they are on or off....its funny..because the last two years I have won the region....both my teams were the B-team...and they both had afternoon flys....go figure..
rock and ROLL
Paul
I think if a flier is throwing his or her weight around based on fly record..tha this pure arrogance and nonsense...and to be honest..if I was an M.F., etc etc....I myself would let the newer guys fly good times..why....already been there and done that if I am a M.F. and super man....LOL...anyway..just my thoughts.
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George R.
199 posts
Nov 24, 2009
12:09 PM
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Paul Said
" I think if a flier is throwing his or her weight around based on fly record..tha this pure arrogance and nonsense...and to be honest..if I was an M.F., etc etc....I myself would let the newer guys fly good times..why....already been there and done that if I am a M.F. and super man....LOL...anyway..just my thoughts."
THANKS Paul I just wish you would have waited for Cliff to respond and explain what he thinks..
Thanks
George
Last Edited by on Nov 24, 2009 12:11 PM
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fhtfire
2228 posts
Nov 24, 2009
12:16 PM
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Well..I hope he does...I have been bored lately...LOL...Need some action on this site...LOL
rock and ROLL
Paul
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nicksiders
GOLD MEMBER
3860 posts
Nov 24, 2009
12:37 PM
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No, it is a competition and competitions have to be played on a level field, plain and simple. Last years National NCAA's basketball champions are not given any quarter so why should a roller flier. This causes disgruntled members and they begin to splinter off. There is something dishonest about giving certian members an edge and somebody needs to be oiled up and spanked over it.
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Just My Take On Things
Nick Siders
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George R.
200 posts
Nov 24, 2009
1:20 PM
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Nick said
"There is something dishonest about giving certian members an edge and somebody needs to be oiled up and spanked over it."
THANK YOU NICK
George
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
3789 posts
Nov 24, 2009
1:54 PM
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Seeking fairness is a tit-for-tat proposition and does not allow humans to transcend negative circumstances but keeps them in chains. Start a new damn national club and create your own rules and be free of your shackles already!
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FLY ON!
Tony Chavarria
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nicksiders
GOLD MEMBER
3865 posts
Nov 24, 2009
2:17 PM
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A new national club would be more difficult than people are willing to do. So, I think we need to repair what we got and get rid of those who screw up the playing field by slanting it. Ask for resignations if they hold office first privatley and if they do not cooperate then take it publically giving reasons.
Somebody recently suggested that we need a club president who is ruthless and aggressive. One that understands level playing fields and universal right and wrong.........will that ever happen?.....LOL
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Just My Take On Things
Nick Siders
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George R.
202 posts
Nov 24, 2009
2:38 PM
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Cliff siad
"There is another very common philosophy; one that our region has utilized for many years with the RDs that preceded me, as well as during my tenure. First of all, last year’s qualifier gets his choice of fly times...sort of a reward he has earned for being successful. Using this philosophy, the record of each flyer is considered; how long he has been committed to flying in competitions, and how he has placed in the region and in the finals. Those flyers who fly regularly EVERY YEAR, have demonstrated their commitment and deserve consideration in the schedule for this commitment. They have proven that they can be depended on to support the region and so they deserve more preference than the first-time flyer whose birds are untested in competition… whose management skills are untested and, frankly, who is less likely to score well-enough to place in his first year or two of competition; not impossible, but less likely. To give a flyer who is in his first year or two of competition, a premium fly time, and bump an experienced flyer who has won the region, or a National Championship, and flies year in and year out, shows disrespect for the accomplishments and the years of commitment of the veteran flyer. "
To make a long story short You practice and believe in giving preferred fly times to certain Flyer's and disregarding the fly times of those you feel are UNWORTHY.
It's no wonder that some Folks in your Region are fed up with the way things are run over there And you wonder why people dont want to Fly with your crew .
Answer this just because The Pitts Burgh Steelers Won the Super Bowl do they get any special accomodations ???
No they get a tougher schedule that is there reward for winning the Championship.
Cliff you have created all the problems in Your region by practicing a philosophy that is "TWISTED"
Last Edited by on Nov 24, 2009 3:17 PM
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George R.
203 posts
Nov 24, 2009
2:49 PM
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Cliff said
"But when one steps up to the responsibility and is elected Regional Director, he gets to chose the method that he believes is the fairest to the greatest number of flyers, "
This is why there should be RULES that each RD must follow.
A region can get screwed up quickly if the guy who is in charge of a fly HANDPICKS who he feels is WORTHY of getting a good FLYTIME !!!!
Last Edited by on Nov 24, 2009 3:29 PM
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nicksiders
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3869 posts
Nov 24, 2009
4:19 PM
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Cliff, Stop the madness. The stupidess shit I have ever heard about competition of any kind.
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Just My Take On Things
Nick Siders
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Pinwheel
19 posts
Nov 24, 2009
4:24 PM
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Is there anything good on tv?
Last Edited by on Nov 24, 2009 4:35 PM
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BA Rollers
297 posts
Nov 24, 2009
4:40 PM
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Riddle me this.
What is a good fly time? What is the ideal fly time?
Unless its a hot time of year, I don't believe such a thing exists. I've seen guys complain about not getting to fly first or early in the morning. Then they are scheduled to fly that time they would like, and still don't do any good and they look for some other reason to blame their lack of winning on. Bottom line is the best kits will always win. The time of day they have flown usually has little bearing on this. Of course if a region is attempting to have a qualifying event during a hot time of year, the first few kits will have an obvious advantage over those flown later when it is can be 30 degrees hotter. In regions such as ours where the majority of the participants are in close proximity to one another, and only flying 5 or 6 kits a day, generally all of the kits get a good time. I personally would always prefer to fly mid morning if I had my choice.
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Bill W
2 posts
Nov 24, 2009
5:12 PM
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I agree, what is the best time? I have seen my birds do their best when I thought it was the wrong time. I have also seen just the reverse. I would like a little rain if I had my preference. If there is a R.D. who can arange that I will fly there. I'm new at this and just competed in my first W.C. and national Fly, I was just happy they let me fly with them. It was FANTASTIC! Just enjoy the compainship and have a good time, maybe luck will smile on you. Bill
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fhtfire
2234 posts
Nov 24, 2009
5:14 PM
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Brian...that is what I said....what is a good fly time...HEAT is the main killer with all things considered.....if it is not HOT then you should be able to fly at anytime as long as you get your birds on that schedule.....I have said and always will..I will fly ANYTIME as long as it is not HOT...LOL...like I said..both years that I have qualified..my B-team took the region and they were both late flys....(afternoon)..if the birds are dialed..they will do it regardless.
rock and ROLL
Paul
But...I will say it over and over..after the finals...we all start with a clean slate....and we are all equal...regardless of how many feathers in your cap.
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winwardrollers
332 posts
Nov 24, 2009
5:58 PM
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Paul
I Like your wording.."if the birds are dialed..they will do it regardless".
Alot of time I fly my birds in the heat of the day, windy,stormy..not ideal weather..in other words.. they learn to deal with it..you learn how to react with the feed can.
Personally, I would venture to bet that most of the guys that are causing problems...It would not matter what, where or when they flew...the out come would be the same.
Each region can punch it out as a area.
bwinward
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Ballrollers
GOLD MEMBER
2164 posts
Nov 24, 2009
6:13 PM
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George,
No, I didn't say anyting of the kind, but you're a good one to put words in people's mouths. You missed the mark completely. You had better re-read it until you get it right. What I said is that geography is the first consideration. Then the fly times that the individual requests on the form I send out. And finally, the committment of the flyer to flying in every competition, and, finally, his experience and success. Like Brian said, there is not a "best fly time". Most every flyer in the region has flown morning, noon and night.
I have yet to figure out why you are so "interested" in how a region operates that is so far removed from where you live. Do you want to know how many regions I get complaints from every year? Many pf them are in your own neck of the woods? Tell you what, when you move into region 1D, you can find out what the facts are. Until then you will just have to keep getting your mis-information second hand.
But I will tell you, Paul is doing a lot of good in his region, and we don't do things much differently. If things were as bad you believe they are, I would have been tarred and feathered years ago. The system I am using is the one I inherited. Are there a few problems in our region? Sure, but I do the best I can and the majority of the WC flyers in my region keep re-electing me. So I guess I am not all that bad. Many regions have things pop up here and there, But they deal with them and move on. There is no way to make everyone happy. You can try to twist it anyway you like, George.
I'm looking forward to having you right here in my back yard. I hope you bring all your questions to each and every flyer you judge. You keep score and we can compare notes as to whether I will be the WC RD for another term.
How's that?
Cliff
Last Edited by on Nov 24, 2009 6:36 PM
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Ballrollers
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2165 posts
Nov 24, 2009
6:33 PM
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The last thing the NBRC wants to do is tell a region how to run it's business. There is no possibility that the EC will accept the NBRC intervening in Regional issues and politics. No two regions are the same size, same flyer density.....same anything. This is not a one-size-fits-all type of thing. Each region has it's own history on how best to meet it's needs in choosing the kit that will represent them in the finals. But I will say, and you may disagree as may others, but we all have to earn any respect that we may receive based on how the fly routes are laid out. The winners in each region have earned any perks they may or may not receive. New guys come on board and earn their way up the ladder, and their location and distance from the nearest flyer plays a role as well. Is it right? A majority of this regions flyers think so.
If the NBRC gives every region a set of rules, as to how to set up and route a fly, it could be worse than what we already have. There is no way to make everyone happy, but that is how it works in a democratic society. It's called majority rule.
Cliff
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Ballrollers
GOLD MEMBER
2166 posts
Nov 24, 2009
6:39 PM
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Now why do you suppose that when I say that the previous winner and long-time flyers get a certain amount of consideration in the schedule, I get accused of all kinds of evil-doings by a select few? But when another RD explains that he also gives the previous regional winner, certain privileges, he gets complete understanding and "thanks" from them!
I guess it must be my stunning good looks or my charming nature! LOL! It couldn't be that this has become more about character-assassination for a couple guys rather than the issues we are discussing, could it? Oh well, I knew this would probably be the outcome from guys like them, but I wanted to see just exactly who those poor mis-guided souls are....no surprises here!
Cliff
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George R.
206 posts
Nov 24, 2009
6:46 PM
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Cliff
because of RD's like you who feel that certain Flyers deserve to get thier preferred Fly times ,I am going to write a proposal and present it and maybe some rules can be added in the Bylaws to make sure that every RD attempts to make all fly's as fair as possible.
I thank you for sharing with us why you feel that certain people are entitled to get thier preferred fly times while others just have to " Live with It".
I am so glad that you dont Run my region because I would never allow some Bullshit like that to take place here.
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Ballrollers
GOLD MEMBER
2167 posts
Nov 24, 2009
7:10 PM
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Go for it, George. That's the American way. Majority rule. But if you continue to make this a personal issue with me on the EC, and continue lying and distorting, be prepared. The truth will set you free! You run your region the way the majority of your flyers like it; I'll run my region the way the majority of my flyers like it.
Cliff
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Ballrollers
GOLD MEMBER
2168 posts
Nov 24, 2009
8:05 PM
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Call off your dog, George Ruiz, and you got a deal. He is the one who dragged my post off of this site and posted it on another site to continues this fight. He is good for nothing but stirring up trouble between us and for others, on any roller site that he visits. I feel sorry for him. He must be a very unhappy man. We have had enough of both of your whining and complaining and self-righteousness. The majority of the region is very pleased with the way things are done. Sorry, but that's the way it is.
Cliff
PS. Good luck timng your fly schedule down to the minute. Shit happens. You'll see.
Last Edited by on Nov 24, 2009 8:06 PM
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
3791 posts
Nov 24, 2009
8:23 PM
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George, if chuck is banned from my site, why do you think it is okay for you to post his comments here? Just so you know, he has ran me down in a personal way, flamed me in other places, spammed me, etc...
George, his comments are not welcome here at all. Please edit your posts and remove his comments. I ask in the nicest way possible. Thank you.
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FLY ON!
Tony Chavarria
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fhtfire
2241 posts
Nov 24, 2009
8:55 PM
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I second that Tony..Chuck does not need to post on this site...any man that would post private emails on a public forum....like he did way back when...should suffer the consequences......dont ask Tony...the welcome mat for Chuck was gone long ago.
rock and ROLL
Paul
George....no disrespect my friend...but it is best to let George take care of George and Cliff take care of Cliff.....I was told long ago by some local fliers when I took over RD...keep your business in your Region....and dont bring others business in your region...and you will have a good region.....those words have been my best advice.
Sometimes its better to let someone hang themselves....but as soon as you help put the rope around a guys neck...you are now the bad guy.
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George R.
208 posts
Nov 24, 2009
8:58 PM
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Ok Tony
I just thought that the list should know both sides of this issue .
I dont think that Cliff should keep mentioning Chuck's name on this site if Chuck is not allowed to post on this site and cant respond to his allegations.
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George R.
209 posts
Nov 24, 2009
9:00 PM
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Thanks for the advice Paul I appreciate it
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Spin City USA
267 posts
Nov 24, 2009
9:04 PM
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I put this in another post but it is better suited here. Like Paul wrote driving time and getting the most kits flown should be the first concern. One efficient fair way to run the fly is to put all the flyers names in a hat. A month or so before the fly and who ever has their name pulled first will start the fly. Then go to the next closest flyer until everybody has flown. If it is done far enough in advance everybody should have time to set their birds up for a morning, noon, or afternoom fly. It is not rocket science.
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They gotta Spin to win.....Jay
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DHenderson
95 posts
Nov 24, 2009
9:24 PM
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I agree that this is a private matter and your personal matter need to be addressed by the WC or NBRC committee if you have a problem.
I know how you feel but your only choice is to communicate with the flyers in your region and give them yours ideas. If you are not a LAD you should attempt be one and help run things.
If you have a month or more to schedule the fly you should have no problem getting yours birds ready. When the opportunity comes up take on the RD job and give it a shot.
I know if you all continue to lay out your thought about your region on an open forum as this you will never be respected as such.
There are ways to go about it and ways to avoid. Just make sure to keep a positive attitude and be as supportive as you can to fellow flyers and this will help your cause much more.
Unfortunately regions are set up depending on where the judge is coming from and if you are in the middle you will NEVER get a morning flight, not real early anyway.
I think smaller regions of 20 or less kits are the best as they tend to be more flexible to your needs. Big regions are harder and will not be positive for all.
I think at least at the local regional level guys should consider panel judging and do the region over a few weekends and give everyone as much of a opportunity to fly in the am as they want or the time they desire, but this would only be at the local regional level, the finals level you will again be suggested to whatever they schedule so get used to it.
Try to work it out.
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
3792 posts
Nov 24, 2009
9:24 PM
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George, what can I say but simply stop bringing up matters that have nothing to do with you and your region. You do your region membership a disservice by trying to hijack another regions issues. Just leave it to them to work out. Besides, I hear not everyone is happy in your region either.
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FLY ON!
Tony Chavarria
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George R.
210 posts
Nov 24, 2009
9:32 PM
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Thanks Tony , that is he first time I hear that someone is not happy in our region.
I guess the best thing for me to do is to resign and let whoever is unhappy takeover the duties of regional Director.
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Thank You
George
Last Edited by on Nov 25, 2009 10:42 AM
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
3793 posts
Nov 24, 2009
9:46 PM
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George, do whatever you want. But instead of feeling sorry for yourself, why not conduct a serious survey and find out about the needs of your region membership -what they like and dislike and then work on improving it. Do the best you can and live with it. No reason to over react. ;-)
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FLY ON!
Tony Chavarria
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George R.
211 posts
Nov 24, 2009
9:51 PM
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No overreaction Tony I can now go back to enjoying my Birds in my Backyard .
Thanks
George
Last Edited by on Nov 25, 2009 10:42 AM
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Rocky Lofts
130 posts
Nov 25, 2009
3:26 AM
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what a lot of bullshit. my back yard is beter than all this politics. and the shit that goes on.
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Cheers, Rocky
"Rocky Lofts"
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rookie from ct
GOLD MEMBER
173 posts
Nov 25, 2009
6:38 AM
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Man! and I thought that I would be ready for comp next year, NO way ain't no bull ship in my back yard.Staying a rookie Dennis
Last Edited by on Nov 25, 2009 8:28 AM
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Windjammer Loft
1010 posts
Nov 25, 2009
6:44 AM
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Just more ammunition for ME not to fly "comp". Where are the rest of you "cry" babies??
Way to much BULL...T for me.
Fly High and Roll On
Paul
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
3794 posts
Nov 25, 2009
7:01 AM
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George, I think it is great that you are going to return to your backyard and enjoy the rollers. After all, there is not a better way to promote the hobby than to fly and breed quality Birmingham Rollers!
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FLY ON!
Tony Chavarria
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bman
734 posts
Nov 25, 2009
7:06 AM
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Paul, I have never known you to fly comp. You were with Jay and the rest when 3B flew. Where is the "bull" in our region. What problems did you see?
You never miss an oppurtunity to voice your opinion on comp but like I said before I never known you to fly in one. Just curious about your reasons my friend.
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Ron
Borderline lofts
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
3795 posts
Nov 25, 2009
7:14 AM
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Hey Ron, I have always been impressed with the positive way you have spoken about the guys in your region. I know the guys in my "local" area are also very friendly and helpful and do like each others company.
I also notice that while winning is preferred, the camaraderie is not overshadowed by the need to win. (of course there can always be exceptions). Why do you think your region gets on so well?
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FLY ON!
Tony Chavarria
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bman
735 posts
Nov 25, 2009
7:28 AM
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Hi Tony, If I had to pick one reason I would guess it is all about the birds.All the fliers I have met or talked to in our region are what I would call "old school". They all want to win but cheer on the next guy just as hard as they do their own kit. I know for me the competition gives me the drive to do better next time. I beleive competing the last two years has done more to improve my birds than anything else I could have done. It makes you evaluate your birds EVERY time you put them up. For me competition means NO EXCUSES,they either do it right or not. Do I want to win ? Sure but it means more to me when my fellow fliers say nice kit!----------
Ron
Borderline lofts
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
3796 posts
Nov 25, 2009
8:15 AM
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Sounds to me like a good dose of sportsmanship! Thanks Ron
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FLY ON!
Tony Chavarria
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rtwilliams
GOLD MEMBER
510 posts
Nov 25, 2009
8:41 AM
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If I had to pick one reason I would guess it is all about the birds.All the fliers I have met or talked to in our region are what I would call "old school". They all want to win but cheer on the next guy just as hard as they do their own kit. I know for me the competition gives me the drive to do better next time. I beleive competing the last two years has done more to improve my birds than anything else I could have done. It makes you evaluate your birds EVERY time you put them up. For me competition means NO EXCUSES,they either do it right or not. Do I want to win ? Sure but it means more to me when my fellow fliers say nice kit!"
No politics just fun Like Ron here says!!
I have enjoyed flying in Utah, The comp guys are awesome. I have been handed kit bird out of the "A team" to help me get a good start. I have guys offering to get up a 5:00 am to come see my birds, for a local compition. I had A judge do that for the NBRC fly so my son and I could fly 11 bird teams, and I could put up a 20 bird team." And this was after they showed up on the scheduled day, When I winds about 40 MPH. I would have flown in those winds, but was told not to, that they would come back, and fit in a better fly time.
Every RD should be helping every person get the most out of his fly's. And every one in the Region should be helping, and supporting each other. Then it is fun for everyone. Good TImes, Good Birds, and Good Friends is what it should be about.
JMO
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RT Williams
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katyroller
651 posts
Nov 25, 2009
10:21 AM
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George R.,
Who on this Forum flys in the same region as Cliff? I am trying to figure out what is going on because at least to me, it doesn't sound like they are the ones complaining about Cliff. I don't understand how the way he conducts business in his region, affects you and those in your region. You on the other hand have an obvious beef with Cliff and make no effort to hide it. The only reason I can find for you to post in public your problems with Cliff is that you are looking for someone else to jump on the bandwagon and attack Cliff with you. This kind of nonsense is childish and should stop. Handle your issues with Cliff like a man and take it offline.
Tracey
Last Edited by on Nov 25, 2009 10:24 AM
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Rocky Lofts
131 posts
Nov 25, 2009
10:25 AM
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well said tracey
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Cheers, Rocky
"Rocky Lofts"
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Jerry Allen
GOLD MEMBER
375 posts
Nov 25, 2009
4:22 PM
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Who on this Forum fly’s in the same region as Cliff?
I do!
From my perch I see a dedicated roller enthusiast.
He goes above and beyond the duties of and RD.
Many times he is unable to prepare his birds
for the fly’s due to the time he contributes to driving
the judge from loft to loft and assisting new flyers with birds
and answering their questions.
One job that I never knew RD’s had to perform, was bottle feeding
and changing diapers. The one’s that cry the loudest are the ones
who couldn’t handle the pressure of this position.
No region / Club are perfect. If someone can beat his
knowledge & enthusiasm step up to the plate and let’s see
what you got or have to offer.
On several occasions if he hadn’t jumped in with both feet
we wouldn’t have had the fly.
For a job that pays absolutely nothing he contributes
more than his fair share and has to put up with more B – S
than any person on this list.
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fhtfire
2243 posts
Nov 25, 2009
4:52 PM
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Well said Mr. Allen...CASED CLOSED....now lock this thread Tony...no need for others to post B.S....so...we all heard what we knew would be said...Cliff is doing a good job....so be it....now...NOTHING TO SEE HERE>>MOVE ALONG>>MOVE ALONG
rock and ROLL
Paul
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macsrollers
230 posts
Nov 25, 2009
9:02 PM
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No region will ever be 100% happy for long if at all. Region 14 has always allowed the person who last qualified in either the World Cup of Fall Fly to pick their fly time at the next regional fly. Then we go around from there. With our first Club Fly series this year we started each fly at a different point and went around the valley in a different rotation each time. This way over 4 flies each person got a few good slots and a few bad slots. But one flier at one point went bullistic because we were starting near his house and going the opposite way and he felt he deserved to go 3rd due to his previous accomplishments. We explained that we are promoting growth and fair opportunities to all our members thru our club flies but he continued to call everyone in our area and beyond crying foul. It would be great if a region had a captive judge that could judge over a long period and each person gets their prefered fly time. But what happens if that prefered time ends up a bad weather day? Do we keep the judge captive another length of time for a good weather day at his prefered time with enough days in between for him to get his birds ready again? Overall our region had the best year ever and the most fun ever. Mainly one distractor and also me displaying some sour grapes when I felt the judge was way off base in our NBRC Fly regional with the second qualifier. George does state his opinion on the internet and I don't always agree with his opinion or the forum being used to state his opinion, but George has done alot for our region and we most likely wouldn't be where we are at without his support. We do the best we can and those that don't or are using their position to get themselves or their friends a prefered fly time are abusing their position can have that on their conscience, if they have one. Enjoy your next fly!
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SpinCityRollers
312 posts
Nov 25, 2009
11:38 PM
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Well said by a Truly wise Roller Man
We all have growing to do especialy me
Sorry for being that(but one flier at one point went bullistic because we were starting near his house and going the opposite way and he felt he deserved to go 3rd due to his previous accomplishments.)
MadMAx
stay in my own backyard getting ready for the next we meet in the old blue sky
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Windjammer Loft
1012 posts
Nov 26, 2009
9:45 AM
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bman...I don;t see much wrong with our regin,except that their aren't enough participants. But our region is only a small part of the pie. It's all the bickering, winning, complaining and false accusations that goes on,that makes me stay away from comp flying. Iam not one for playing "politics"...
Just my views. I enjoy very much the chances I get to view all our flys and talk with everyone.. But,like I stated.. It's not for me.
Fly High and Roll On
Paul
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