nicksiders
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Nov 25, 2009
7:27 PM
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Divers
This is a category of performance pigeons that neither tumbles, rolls, nor are they considered highfliers. It is not a racing bird nor is it a pouter. It is a bird that usually flies singularly or in small groups and not as part of a kit. It does fly quick; flying fast does not properly describe what it obtains. When flying it may make barrel rolls; loops, and zig zags at break-neck speed. Then on a command or a drop bird by the owner the bird will dive to its loft location and land as quickly as it can achieve without harm.
Many of these birds are used in a sport of evading birds of prey or capture by luring them into a trapping situation. This activity is done with less frequency than it once was and the evasion of birds of prey only occurs by accidental meetings generally in present day. It is also a bird that some breeders use to discourage birds of prey from attacking their breed of choice. They allow the Diver to fly first hoping to bring the bird of prey from his perch or flight to give chase. The bird of prey not being able to catch the Diver becomes discouraged and flies from the area or flies into a waited trap chasing the diving pigeon. At this time the breeder will release the breed of his choice having less fear of losing any to the birds of prey.. .
The following is a list of Divers:
The following is a list of Divers along with descriptions of some.:
Doneks - There are two types; one is the Turkish breed that is found with no head adornment and are clean legged. The second is called a Macedonian which may have feathered legs or partially feathered legs. They hail from the Czech area of the world. Their performance and level of performance are similar. They are a medium size breed; smaller than the Dewlap, but larger than the Escampadissa Roller. During flight they can do barrel type rolls or fly in large loops and they do this at great speed. Upon an audible signal or a drop bird will dive toward the loft with breakneck speed and pulling up just in time to land safely.. common pigeon
Dewlaps - Dewlaps are a strong bird, hard-feathered, alert, a superb flier. They are a medium to large size bird weighing about 20 ounces on the average. They are plain headed and clean legged and get their name from the large gullet, or dewlap, from which it gets its English name. They come in a large variety of colors. It is believed that they come from Syria or near by Lebanon
Escampadissa Rollers - They are a Spanish developed breed. It is a very old breed that originated from the Oriental Roller. It is a solo flier especially raised and trained to dodge birds of prey. It is small, averaging about 10 to 12 ounces and is plain headed and clean legged with no oil gland. Comes in in several colors, but like all performance breeds colors mean nothing and are unimportant.
Kelebeks - Kelebeks perform every trick done by all diving breeds but, with ease and in a longer performance full of flight. In fact some even add a few tumbles to their performance. Their main quality is that they fly alone. When flown together, they fly like swarm of bees in the air. They get their name from the flying action they possess. In the Turkish language kelebrek means butterfly. Their landings tend to be on the rough side. They are smaller than Doneks and may be the best of all Turkish Tumblers or divers because of their staying power of flight and performance.
The following breeds are part of that Turkish Tumbler that have different names depending which part of Turkey they are found. Some of these names may be the same bird and my research has not gotten involved totally in all Turkish Tumblers and Divers.
Wammes
Bangos
Dolapcis
Azmans
Salaneks
Ozidikas
Wutas
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Nick Siders
Last Edited by on Dec 04, 2009 8:47 PM
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Mark_Wilson
32 posts
Nov 26, 2009
5:35 PM
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Nick you have to get you a place fix for some Doneks..I have enough to raise a few next breeding season you will have to take a pair or two home with you...
Mark,
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TheGame
661 posts
Nov 26, 2009
5:52 PM
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Mark Wilson what kind of Doneks do you have??
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JBow
127 posts
Nov 26, 2009
8:55 PM
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Nick a great post Jim and Dixie
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TheGame
663 posts
Nov 28, 2009
8:57 PM
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Hey Mark where are you located? And how are you doing with the birds?? I got 3 doneks from Bill Jacox last year. Im down to 1 now though now from him. Then I got 4 more Doneks from a guy in New Jersey.
I cant wait till spring comes so I can breed them and get some youngs to play around with.
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pana
12 posts
Nov 28, 2009
10:53 PM
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Doneks
The best doneks, if you want tight performance are the Greek doneks (dounekia) they are bald or badge marked in black, blue cheq and blue bar.
The best come down almost the size of a tennis ball when view from the front, the wings wrap very close in the spin. Depth can vary from short to very deep just like rollers, the very deep are prone to crashes (roll down). The speed of the spin not unlike a roller can vary, the best blur in the spin.
The Yugolav doneks, as they once were called, are very open in the spin, we called them 'hoola-hoops'as they appeared to make wide spiral turns and usually lead with their head, the Greek leads with chest or belly, so from a front viewing position you only see the circumference of the chest (ball), wings are tucked behind hidden by the chest.
Once you have seen this type of Donek, just like a roller blurring in the spin you will never forget it.
The best Greek donek strain today is pure or x Rossos
when fanciers need to demonstrate the spin they clench their fist, that's the size it gets in the spin.
Steve
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bigwilly
1079 posts
Nov 29, 2009
12:00 AM
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Hey Nick. I really enjoy reading your post bro. Very informative. Keep up the good work
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Mark_Wilson
34 posts
Nov 29, 2009
4:43 PM
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Game ,I only got two pair last year and i raised a few birds from them...I lost some of them when i was flying them so i stoped flying....But next year i will have 6 or 8 pair to breed from....I think they are like breeding rollers pick the good ones to breed and cull the rest..
Mark,
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nicksiders
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3907 posts
Nov 29, 2009
5:32 PM
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I have added to this with some descriptions of some of the breeds.
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Nick Siders
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TheGame
664 posts
Nov 29, 2009
8:10 PM
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Mark did you get them again from Bill Jacox?? Did you get to see these birds fly before you bought them??
Can you tell me how you trained your birds to fly?
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Mark_Wilson
35 posts
Dec 01, 2009
6:48 PM
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Game, Yes the birds are Jacox but i didn't see them fly i live in Okla..You can get a DVD from him on training them..
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JDA
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615 posts
Dec 02, 2009
5:58 AM
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Mark.....Hope you have a great breeding season in 2010.JDA
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Mark_Wilson
36 posts
Dec 02, 2009
5:58 PM
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Thanks Joe.Well now that its got cold here and i go to work in the dark and come home in the dark i am not sure how good i want it to be...Mark
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pana
13 posts
Dec 03, 2009
8:57 PM
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Vouta, the fastest diver, dropped only when out of sight. They make a noise and leave vapour trail (ploume/dust) during their drop, their body takes the form of a dart when viewed from the side. I've got dewlaps but no way near the speed generated by the voutes.
Steve
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nicksiders
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3921 posts
Dec 04, 2009
8:50 PM
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Steve, Another name for the Vouta is the Wuta. Same bird, but from different parts. The name Vouta I believe is from Turkey and Wuta is from Greece. Kinda the same area; just different languages and different a lot or things.
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Nick Siders
Last Edited by on Dec 04, 2009 8:59 PM
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pana
14 posts
Dec 05, 2009
12:20 AM
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Hi Nick
The Greek word for dive is singular 'vouta', plural 'voutes', so the name is Greek, don't know what they're called in Turkish.
I have many Vouta fancier friends in Greece who fly competition annually, they are very popular birds over there.... they are a spectacular pigeon to watch.
The name 'Wuta' is not used in any part of Greece for this breed of bird, the Germans started calling them Wuta, not sure why.
Steve
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DeepSpinLofts
1605 posts
Dec 05, 2009
5:05 AM
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Great article to read Nick! Also... Steve thanks for your input.
I learned some interesting things reading about divers (which are another type of performance pigeons).
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Last Edited by on Dec 05, 2009 5:07 AM
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Pinwheel
42 posts
Dec 05, 2009
6:23 AM
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Are one of the traits of these birds long legged-ness??? It appears that way, as they look like a hawk from the thigh down. And do they really make a noise, because I was watching on video and I heard this Whistle jet like noise but Couldnt make out any birds. THey were apparently diving. Does anyone in the US have these. (voutes)
Last Edited by on Dec 05, 2009 6:23 AM
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nicksiders
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3922 posts
Dec 05, 2009
7:01 AM
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Hey Steve, You got it. Vouta is Greek and the word Wuta does come from the Germans. Both words are for the same bird. Language can confuse an entire issue sometimes.
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Nick Siders
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Jerry Allen
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377 posts
Dec 05, 2009
1:38 PM
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I’m interested in the Wutas / Vouta.
Who could I contact on the East Coast about
acquiring a few pair?
Thanks
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Pinwheel
44 posts
Dec 05, 2009
2:37 PM
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Im with jerry. Although im not sure if they have made it over here from minor research i did
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Jerry Allen
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378 posts
Dec 05, 2009
4:19 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXPNKdJoauw
Wutas, from a very nice portable loft.
Last Edited by on Dec 05, 2009 4:21 PM
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Pinwheel
47 posts
Dec 05, 2009
4:29 PM
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nice find! I swear i want that trailer. Cause Now im jealous
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ROBERTS5L
8 posts
Dec 05, 2009
5:35 PM
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Hello Jerry,
I got my first Greek Nose Divers about 4 years ago from Matt Shushok of Smithfield PA.
They've all been excellent divers, I talked to him the other day and he has some for sale, it would be an great opportunity for you to get some good stock.
Most of my birds are white, but he has other colors.
Robert
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Pinwheel
49 posts
Dec 05, 2009
6:13 PM
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Robert,
Would you have the means to let some of your divers go yet?
Kevin
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ROBERTS5L
9 posts
Dec 06, 2009
7:25 AM
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Pinwheel,
The only ones I'd sell are on my flight team right now, which I'll continue to fly until April.
Matt has some for sale right now.
Robert
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Pinwheel
51 posts
Dec 06, 2009
2:56 PM
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Well, I am in no terrible rush, but if I can get some contact info from you, that would be great. Here is mine: kmazch@yahoo.com
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