George R.
224 posts
Dec 16, 2009
11:53 AM
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While reading a article I came across this
"Mental health professionals described how highly driven and successful people often have a potentially combustible mix of ARROGANCE as well as a sense of ENTITLEMENT and INVINCIBILITY.
“In some ways, the very same quality that allows you to reach Herculean heights can also work to destroy you,” psychologist Stan Teitelbaum, told the Associated Press."
I guess we should never lose Focus of why we have Rollers in the First place(our own enjoyment). Competetion should never be put before our own enjoyment.
Just recently I have gained a new respect for those who dont compete with thier Birds and choose to enjoy the Hobby in thier own Backyard. They are the ones who dont ever have to deal with the politics and Rules that come along with competition.
In our own backyard the only Rules we must follow are our own LOL
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BA Rollers
300 posts
Dec 16, 2009
12:20 PM
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"I guess we should never lose Focus of why we have Rollers in the First place(our own enjoyment). Competetion should never be put before our own enjoyment."
I always put competition before my own enjoyment. Scratch that - Competition is my enjoyment. I am competitive at everything I do. Driving, eating, racing, pigeons, video games, shooting, the list is endless. I will race you to sleep if you think I'm joking.
There are different kinds of people in this world George. You and I are very different.
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cv rollers
512 posts
Dec 16, 2009
1:11 PM
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"I will race you to sleep if you think I'm joking". lol thats funny,you are correct "There are different kinds of people in this world" !!thats what makes this a great country,I will be competing soon but man so much bull shit! is it worth all of it.I gess i will find out soon..lol
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Rick Flores
coachellavalleyrollers.net
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3757
1338 posts
Dec 16, 2009
2:19 PM
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George - The key word in your sentence to me is respect. When I hear of guys having birds stolen, name calling, going behind someones back to get what you want and not asking the fancier directly and all the other caca la vaca this word is then thrown out of the window. Respect is the key.
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toronto15
291 posts
Dec 16, 2009
2:30 PM
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Not always the case George. My pigeon racing mentor was the kindest,humble, unassuming man I ever knew. Competitively he was always on top. Glen.
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Bill C
454 posts
Dec 16, 2009
4:30 PM
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Hi George, I think I see your point. There is a certain amount of stress and some head aches with competition but it does not have to get you down. Most guys here have respect for each other and leave rude comments at home. Guys can let it go to their heads when they do well, I think you have to allow and expect some braggin when guys do well. Its a big accomplishment for them and it does not come easy.
To quote from the Bible, " Pride comes before a fall". That is soooo true. I've personally experienced that before.
I too really enjoy the competitions as the biggest part of my joy with performance rollers. We can appreciate the friendships we made, see great rollers and show the top notch guys on the next fly they better watch out.
The only thing I dont like is the last thing you said that in our own back yard the only rules are our own rules. The standard rules apply to us all in as far as breeding and flying is concerend. We know what back yard guys breed great true birmingham rollers and the ones that breed crap and call it a roller. There are plenty of comp guys selling crap as the true roller also.
We just have to rise above the egos and set the example sometimes. I think you did very well with giving more respect to others in your post. You are often very positive in your posts and this is an example of your character. Looking to the good in others. Good luck to you. Bill C
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nicksiders
GOLD MEMBER
3953 posts
Dec 16, 2009
5:14 PM
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There are those who should not be competing because they become tyrannical during the act of competing. But, if you look deeper you will more than likely discover that they are just plain tyrants no matter what they are doing. In simple terms: assholes are always assholes.
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Nick Siders
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fhtfire
2329 posts
Dec 16, 2009
5:18 PM
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I think you are either an arse hole or you are not. I know people just like Brian that are VERY competitive...But they win like a champion and they lose like a champion. Winning does not go to there head and they are the same cool person win or lose. I had coaches, teachers, parents etc that instilled that in me at a very young age. Then you have the guys that lose and make excuses..or try and bash or blame people for losing..or act childish after losing.
I had a wrestler when i was coaching that was a line backer on the football team. Very competitive but to the point that we was an ass if he lost. I remember after a real tough match he shaked the kids hand real limp...threw his headgear and did not shake the other coaches had. I was on him like flys on shit...right in front of everyone....I told him he is to pick up his head gear...shake the kids hand and look him in the eye and then shake and apologize to the coach and his team. I told him the same that I was taught...a true Champion will lose...dust himself off and then try harder to do better next time. We also had a little chat by ourselves and I basically told him that if he ever did that again..he will be off the team...PERIOD...and that you leave the childish antics on the football field. Wrestling is one on one..respect just stepping on the mat..because a mistake is only you for all to see. Basically the next time he lost he swung his head gear to throw them and looked at me and pointed and said I got you coach...I just winked at him and said good match..you lost like a champion.
The point I am trying to make is that the attitude is carried for what is accepted by your peers and the fact that attitudes can be changed. They are changed by letting the person or people know what is accepted and what is not. Dancing around and acting like a jack ass is football....that kind of stuff is not wrestling...so once my wrestler knew that it was not accepted..he changed his attitude.
The problem is with people these days is that they have no hair....we allow back stabbing and we allow the behavior in competition. When someone calls me bitching about someone else..and If I like both people..I will not let them bash another in front of me..and basically I will not say to somebody what I would not say to the persons face.
Tony does the same on this site...certain actions are allowed and certain actions are not..and just because something is ok here, does not mean it is ok over there...people have to learn to adapt and overcome.
The ones that look like jack asses or act like jack asses have been allowed to act that way in life without corrective measures..and guess what...assholes usually have asshole kids...and so on..
So...you can still be competitive and still be cool...only one person can change the behavior and that is yourself. Some never get it!
So if everyone grew a little hair around the sack and told a person that you dont like to talk shit about anybody etc...then you will gain respect from that other person and they will not continue the behavior with you. If you dont correct it or say something, you are just as bad..because you are saying it is ok by not saying anything.
Before any knumbnuts get on me for taking about jackass football players....I played college football for Humboldt State....and To be honest...If I put a good hit on someone....I did not crow like a rooster...I extended my hand and helped them up...if they stuck me..I told them nice hit...but if they talked shit the whole game...you can correct there behavior..and ...I have one time...ran a dude over..and then turned around and scraped my feet on the ground like I was a dog that just took a shart and covered it up...but that dude deserved it..oh and he shut up too.
rock and ROLL
Paul
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fhtfire
2330 posts
Dec 16, 2009
5:32 PM
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As far as politics...well...we bring that on ourselves too.....I can take or region 9B...EVERYONE gets along...and it was not by accident. Members of the region finally stood up and crushed bad behavior..We had a flier that would talk crap at every fly..and then got in an argument in my back yard with another flier..profanity etc...guess what..that flier who made a poor choice is..well..I have not seen him on a fly since...because he was told it was not accepted behavior. We had a guy flip out at a club meeting...some...including me made some comments about being cool and to chill out....have yet to see that guy too..but I think he got so pissed..and then when everyone kind of gave him the cold shoulder..he left on his own...the point is..we set the tone...In our region...we all fly and get along....we help each other out and have a good time. Yes when the time starts some get a little on edge..LOL...but when the fly is over we move on.....but the core group have set the tone and we are not afraid to say that backstabbing and politics is not allowed. Guess what it works.
The environment sets the tone....look on here..as soon as someone starts in and some blood is in the water..everyone starts the feeding frenzy....but a perfect example...is the Scott Bashing...the bait was set.....but our environment set the tone....we stood up for Scott....and guess what...the thread was just fine...and the guy who started it...well..I think he got the hint...and those that were on the sidelines did too.
rock and ROLL
Paul
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gotspin7
2610 posts
Dec 17, 2009
5:40 AM
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George, the reality is that there is all kinds of people that compete and those that choose not to compete. On a personal level, the main reason why I compete is to just support my hobby and the sport. I will also say that most of the people I have met in my own backyard thru competition have been some great people. Good luck!
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Salvador Ortiz
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Edgar
602 posts
Dec 17, 2009
5:45 PM
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George, porfavor The only way i would not compete was if I was in a different country and there was no one to compete with. I think that if you really wanna have the best birds you could ever have you have to compete how would you know what you got if you never put your birds to the test. I compete and enjoy my birds very very much
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katyroller
687 posts
Dec 17, 2009
6:52 PM
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I have one question for everyone. Think about the most successful fanciers in this hobby. Then ask yourself, how many are on here involved in pissing contests?
Tracey
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Ballrollers
GOLD MEMBER
2226 posts
Dec 17, 2009
8:24 PM
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To me it's a mixed bag. I see a sense of "arrogance" and "entitlement" from highly successful indviduals (in life or in rollers) and from simple rednecks that don't have two nickels (or two good rollers) to rub together, who blame everyone else for their own failure to produce success in their lives, regardless of what they attempt.
Conversely, I have seen empathy, caring, and understanding extended to others by highly driven and successful individuals who have not let their successes go to their heads (in life or in the roller hobby); and I have seen this same empathy, caring and understanding extended to others by simple farmers and laymen in all walks of life, as well as in the roller hobby.
Cliff
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DeepSpinLofts
1619 posts
Dec 17, 2009
8:44 PM
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Great topic George!
A psychological & physiological awareness of ones great success in life can often lead to their vanity/arrogance towards others. The higher up they are in social-status, wealth and power... the harder they fall when that sense of invincibility has suddenly been shattered. Just look at Tiger Woods who is very competitive in his sport.
Over the years, Tiger has been given a subtle distinction as being a squeeky clean role model who was darn near a perfect human being. I guess the sports-writers were wrong about Mr. Eldrick Tont Woods.
I've noticed that in the roller game some of us have it a little better economically and are a little more successful than others.... but that doesn't mean that roller people with more $$$$ are better people than those with less fortune. Not by a long shot! So I would like to agree with LaRon, the key word here is respect.
...also
I've observed the socio-political and intellectual differences amongst roller enthusiasts with can often lead to social misunderstandings and confrontational situtations. This can be caused by a flow of negative energy (which is fundamentally unneccessary). The goal should be for us to remain competitive... yet still be comrades no matter what our financial, social or political status be like.
It doesn't matter if you drive a 2009 Hummer and live in a million dollar home or drive a 69' Impala and live in the hood. Whether you are a backyard flier or W/C competitor, what matters most is the the type of person you are and how well you treat others. And it never hurts to be hospitable!
We should all remember what Dr. Martin Luther King said:
===> "Judge people by their character".
Hmm....
If there was a mental examination regarding the neurological status of each and every last one of us who deal with roller pigeons, there might be some quirky nuances that would be somewhat disturbing. Remember we are only human... none of us are no where near perfect!
MEMO: In this life we get only those things for which we hunt, for which we strive, and for which we are willing to sacrifice. It is better to aim for something that you want, even though you miss it, than to get something that you didn't aim to get, and which you don't want! If we look long enough for what we want in life we are almost sure to find it, no matter what that objective may be.
Marcus
Deep Spin Lofts
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