Pinwheel
102 posts
Dec 17, 2009
11:39 AM
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Im working with one of my portable rollers with clicker training. Everytime he lands on me or the portable I click and reward. Still not sure what I am doing. Do not recommend flying in windy conditions. Suppose to be 16 mph winds.
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Oldfart
GOLD MEMBER
1572 posts
Dec 17, 2009
4:01 PM
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Hey Kevin, I'm not sure what you are trying to accomplish. Are you training the bird to the box, you or both? What I know about flying a portable loft would not fill a thimble. How many birds are you training? It looked interesting but why the clicker? :)
Thom
Last Edited by on Dec 17, 2009 4:02 PM
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Pinwheel
107 posts
Dec 17, 2009
4:10 PM
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Ya know what, you got me. I have no idea what I am trying to accomplish. I initially just wanted to pair the clicking sound with food for that bird. So when it did something that I desired I clicked and gave a treat(land on box or on me). I am working towards actually trying to give it commands, ie. loft for loft. or come to fly to me. That was the first time I ever did that with the bird. I know he knows me and wants food from me. But as far as the conditioning I just started. I am going to keep trying it and working on things. I have no idea where this will take me. i know some of you actually are trainers for dogs and other animals. I am sure you can tell me more.
THe clicker just makes it easier to communicate with the animal to tell it what it is doing right. I really want to target train the bird to respond to the stick and follow it. I just feel a more trained bird, in whatever aspect, might give me an upper hand with flying portable. My knowledge base about portables would probably fill a blood cell. Oh, I have nine birds currently. But I have not had the chance to venture off to get them up and flying. I only trust one place, and that is only doable during the weekend. SO essentially I feel that doing this sort of thing, with each bird every day is better than only flying on the weekend. Keeps their minds trained and focused? I need them not flying in my neighborhood, or I will never have a bird to fly. But I wills say, that bird came down from flying very quickly. The last two times he took off, it took him a very long time to land and come down. And this is where they stay 24/7. Or it may have been coincidence.
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Flying in someone else's backyard: Portable Kits
Last Edited by on Dec 17, 2009 4:19 PM
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Oldfart
GOLD MEMBER
1573 posts
Dec 17, 2009
4:30 PM
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Kevin, Homing the birds to you as well as their loft is a good idea. I'm not sure if them becoming pets though is a great idea. When the day comes to risk them in a remote location you could lose some or all making for a sad day. What little I know about flying portable comes from reading about pigeons used as couriers during the wars. You might try some research in that direction. If I were trying to home a kit to a portable loft I would paint it a bright color, fly the settled birds from their loft and start moving it slowly to different locations within sight of were it is normally. If they lose direction and can't seem to find their loft it can be moved quickly to their familiar location for recovery. As they progress the portable can be moved farther and farther in small steps. BUT, remember, I don't know anything about flying portable. So, take it all with a shaker full of salt! :)
Thom
Last Edited by on Dec 17, 2009 4:31 PM
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Pinwheel
108 posts
Dec 17, 2009
4:51 PM
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Well, I doubt ill spend that much time with them, that will become pets. I am use to losing birds. I just lost that birds nestmate this past weekend. They were my best/only portable flyers. Thats the way it goes and I have accepted that. But I will not stop trying to make each bird better suited then the next. I have had people give me tips that fly and what not. But Im trying to take it to a whole nother level!
I understand what you say about the bright colors. I feel they are picking up more then just color. Shapes, sound, etc. Where I fly them, if they go out of sight, a bright top is not gonna help cause they are most likely below it then way above it. But I may get some bright colored duct tape and make an X on the roof.
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Flying in someone else's backyard: Portable Kits
Last Edited by on Dec 17, 2009 4:59 PM
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Oldfart
GOLD MEMBER
1574 posts
Dec 17, 2009
5:04 PM
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Kevin, It sounds like a fun project. Let me know how your progress is coming along from time to time. Feel free to email me anytime if you would like to talk pigeons.
Thom
Last Edited by on Dec 17, 2009 5:18 PM
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Pinwheel
109 posts
Dec 17, 2009
5:24 PM
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Hey, Sounds good. Ill try and keep a video log going, and then splice it all together so there if there is progression it can be seen on one video.
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Jerry Allen
GOLD MEMBER
388 posts
Dec 17, 2009
5:43 PM
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Kevin,
That was cool to watch.
That bird seems to be responding well,
how are the other one’s doing.
Have you found out what is the maximum distance they
can hear the clicker?
If you don’t mind my asking,
why are you not able to fly in your own back yard?
Keep up the good work & keep us posted.
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donnie james
832 posts
Dec 17, 2009
5:51 PM
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hay kevin this is 1 st for me the way your training your birds i figure that you would have a in a wooden box setting on top of a car or back in a truck bed and i want to wish you all the best training your birds the way your doing
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Donny James
"Fly The Best And Cull The Rest"
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"Keep Your Head Planted In The Sky And Wings Spanned Wide"
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Pinwheel
110 posts
Dec 17, 2009
6:04 PM
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Yeah, Well I do set them up in the truck bed when i do go flying. But today I had free time and a camera, and my birds. So I went to work. This weekend I might get a few more up and out. With that bird to lead the way. Right now Im looking for a strong veteran, so im really just working on that one being confident in landing near me or the box and getting him to interact.
Jerry, I have a pair of coops that live in the trees behind me. and I know for sure there are more. I have had two attacks with the birds just sitting in a training cage or out with me. But I will say the three times the birds have gotten out on me and went for a trip round the neighborhood i had no problems. Plus there are trees galore, and so I could never see them perform half the time anyways. I do not know how far they can hear the clicker. But its just a reward pair system. Not really for calling them. The others respond well to the food, not necessarily to me like this bird. I have 8 young birds about 2 months(i should have had them up way by now but oh well). And so Im just going to go one at a time. I take the ones that are innately more friendly to work with first, so even if some arent, they have plenty of leaders to follow.
Along with flying portable, a goal that id like to work on is getting them to obey commands... might be a long shot but they are smart. I read somewhere that pigeons could identify/recognize 750 different objects and tell if they were man made or natural.
here we go: pigeon cognition
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm5FGrQEyBY
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Last Edited by on Dec 17, 2009 6:24 PM
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Pinwheel
111 posts
Dec 17, 2009
6:56 PM
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Here is a guy that doesnt even need a portable loft for his birds. They just land on him
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRLJfnGZ52o&feature=channel
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Jerry Allen
GOLD MEMBER
390 posts
Dec 18, 2009
5:10 PM
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This year I’m going to hand raise a few also.
It’s bad enough when you loose a kit bird,
I can only imagine how bad you will feel
after loosing a hand raised tame bird.
Last Edited by on Dec 18, 2009 5:10 PM
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fhtfire
2342 posts
Dec 18, 2009
5:51 PM
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The Clicker will work...When I was at a show at Universal studios...they used clickers for almost everything.....the clicker will work...I use a pigeon whistle for the same thing......I dont know if the birs will here a clicker from way up high....so I use a whistle....my teams now are not as use to the whistle...I have been lazy...but my team last year and the year before....if I blew the whistle..they would come down in a HEART beat....it will work....food and sex is how we control animals...
Sounds like an old WW2 clicker.....I know that dog trainers use clickers too..a buddy of mine used to use it with his sheep dogs.
rock and ROLL
Paul
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Windjammer Loft
1039 posts
Dec 19, 2009
10:28 AM
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Pinwheel....great idea. I have been using a clicker for about 5yrs now on my birds. One suggestion... I would click the clicker several times in a row, then give the birds a treat. Every time you feed them use the clicker. I start when my breeders are on eggs, all the way up until I wean the youngsters. They are acustom to hearing the clicker for feeding. The repetition of this will soon get the birds to react to the sound of the clicker and come for food. I have great sucess using a clicker to get my birds to land and trap faster. They can hear the clicker better because of the loud sharp tone.
Fly High and Roll On
Paul
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