steve49
365 posts
Dec 30, 2009
5:15 PM
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since i only have 09 birds in 2 kits, i was curious as to how many actually fly out birds their second year? and of those holdover birds, how many are there because they just weren't stock material? how many are actually holdovers because you want to see if they can perform in their second year?
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Steve in Blue Point, NY
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donnie james
856 posts
Dec 30, 2009
5:29 PM
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hay steve you a should get a % of hold over birds in the 2nd year and they have to meet your stander
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Donny James
"Fly The Best And Cull The Rest"
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Bill C
464 posts
Dec 30, 2009
5:52 PM
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Hey Steve, I am totally focused on birds that come into the roll the second year. Sure I get some good birds the first season but they are not my best unless they can stay good from there on out. Your percentage of good birds goes way up if you keep flying the straight flyers. I dont even think of competing the same year with yearlings. I dont have to because I have too many good birds in the hold over bird kits.
So My advice is keep flying them except during the lock down and most if not all will roll. Some dont make the cut but you will happy you kept them when you see a couple high quality, velocity rollers that almost always come out in a seasoned hold over kit. Bill C
Last Edited by on Dec 30, 2009 5:53 PM
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Scott
2767 posts
Dec 30, 2009
6:39 PM
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Youngsters are just that..youngsters. there is no comparison.
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Scott Campbell
" God Bless "
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steve49
366 posts
Dec 30, 2009
6:47 PM
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thanx, this is exactly what i wanted to hear. i'm about to start building my new breeding loft, and deliberately waited till after the winter to begin so i wouldn't be tempted to raise a few babies out of my kit birds. thank goodness i separated the cocks and hens, because these guys were really trying to get down to business. plus, i'll have something to look forward to when lockdown is over in the spring. watching straight flyers start to roll, and those who rolled as babies start to rip some nice deep spins. it just doesn't get any better. too bad i have to wait all winter to get going!
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Steve in Blue Point, NY
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nicksiders
GOLD MEMBER
3997 posts
Dec 30, 2009
7:05 PM
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The best kit I have ever seen fly in competition were at least three years old. Three to five range with a couple 6 or 7.
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Just My Take On Things
Nick Siders
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fhtfire
2392 posts
Dec 30, 2009
7:19 PM
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There is nothing like an old bird team....if most can keep the birds that long....Usually I keep my tip top birds and hold them over and then start breeding the next round...as my perches fill up....I then re-evaluate again....I cull anything not doing it up to my standards....this year is looking real good....I may not have to cull very many 09's so far...I have a lavender in my A-team that is being demoted for not wanting to stay in the kit...and he is a rocket and deep...all I want in a bird..except he does not sling shot back...his daddy did...so...if he does it in the B-team..he is gone...anyway...yes you keep flying...as our perches fill up with new...you make the decision to fill more perches with young..by culling holdovers that are not doing it.....or you keep your holdovers and stop breeding...
The whole point is to get as many old birds in a team as possible....
rock and ROLL
Paul
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STUDENT 2 THE GAME
178 posts
Dec 30, 2009
10:23 PM
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Thats all I have to fly... Im going to fly all my birds for the second year. No matter how good a bird is. I have to let it mature before breeding .
I have to tell myself over and over..........
"Do Not Breed The Babies"
Larry
Make it Rain Loft/N.C.R.C.
Last Edited by on Dec 30, 2009 10:24 PM
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wishiwon2
258 posts
Dec 31, 2009
7:56 AM
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Steve asked, "how many are actually holdovers because you want to see if they can perform in their second year?"
I do. I identify birds during their first year who are candidates to breed from, then I watch them closely during the following year for clues about them and their potential in stock. I will occasionally breed from a bird as 2 yr old and then re-fly it over the next winter. I try to re-fly all of the birds I put into stock at least once. It tells me alot about a birds constitution and mental make-up if I can re-fly it after it having been bred from.
"and of those holdover birds, how many are there because they just weren't stock material?"
Quite a few. There are several reasons I may not stock a bird besides just the elements of its spin. Most of my A-team competition birds are exactly that; birds that have good spin, that have shown a few attributes that keep them from being stocked. There are also a few birds that I have stocked that didnt produce what I am after, they get placed back into a kit. I dont make the choice whether to stock a bird or not for the rest of its life.
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Jon
If it were easy, everybody would do it
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steve49
370 posts
Jan 01, 2010
7:17 AM
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Jon, thanx for your great answer. since i haven't begun my breeding program, i'm constantly thinking of why certain birds will be used or not, and you're explanation will make it much easier.
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Steve in Blue Point, NY
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