Velo99
2264 posts
Jan 03, 2010
7:24 AM
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Who is in favor of dropping the minimum depth to 15 feet?
I feel it would give the judge a bit longer to look at the kit and get a better feel for the quality of the break.(spotting axles)
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Ballrollers
GOLD MEMBER
2305 posts
Jan 03, 2010
8:13 AM
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KH
Do we need to clarify your post from "Dropping" to "Raising"? Or I have been reading the minimum suggested depth standard of 10 feet wrong? LOL!
Cliff
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Flipmode
397 posts
Jan 03, 2010
8:36 AM
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20ft and better!
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BA Rollers
305 posts
Jan 03, 2010
9:04 AM
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Nothing will change with most judges. Show me specifically, unquestionably or undeniably what 15 feet is at 300 ft and I'll tell you that you are full of shit. And guess who will be right :)
The rate of fall should not be based on a feet measurement. It should be based on time. Time is undesputable.
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JMUrbon
835 posts
Jan 03, 2010
9:35 AM
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Good post Brian. I couldnt agree more. Joe
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Sound Rollers
169 posts
Jan 03, 2010
10:31 AM
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Brian / Joe, do you use the formula 32 ft/s2 or is the descent a little slower?
John
Last Edited by on Jan 03, 2010 1:02 PM
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donnie james
862 posts
Jan 03, 2010
12:55 PM
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hay kenny,
i think they shouldn't drop the 15 footers i feel like you need a few in your to help you get some scores
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Donny James
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JMUrbon
837 posts
Jan 03, 2010
1:25 PM
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John, Birds drop at different rates depending on their velocity however 15 foot in a second is about the avarage and as they go deeper they go a bit faster. Joe
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nicksiders
GOLD MEMBER
4006 posts
Jan 03, 2010
3:02 PM
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I agree with BMC. Instead of trying to measure distance; timing the duration of the spin may be the most sound. I am also in agreement with Joe U. that depth may be dependent on velocity. I have watched many kits fly and it appears that the higher the velocity of spin the slower the decent. I would like a to see a study done on this by someone smarter than me.
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Scott
2794 posts
Jan 03, 2010
4:43 PM
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Brians right.. duration is the most valuable tool we have.. you can't estimate actual depth.
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Scott Campbell
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Ballrollers
GOLD MEMBER
2306 posts
Jan 03, 2010
5:16 PM
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Kenny,
Personally, I would be in favor of raising the minimum depth standard to 15 feet in the 20 bird fly and 20 feet in the 11 bird fly, for the reasons you mentioned. If all goes well, raise it again in 5 years until we have reached a limit where participation starts to decline. We need to keep standards as high as possible but we must pay for this somehow. A delicate balance must be kept in mind.
Cliff
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Ballrollers
GOLD MEMBER
2307 posts
Jan 03, 2010
5:19 PM
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Brian
I don't know, the charter members of the hairy chested roller club and assorted knuckle draggers would be so happy because they want deeper, bigger brakes because it "SOUNDS" better..... Than the reality of most birds scored are 10-20 foot X wingers? IMHO
I am not disagreeing with you at all. I feel most guys need to learn depth by using a stop watch. Once you get a handle on 3/4 to 1 sec, in most cases a bird will fall around 10 feet. I strive for 2 second birds, as my lowest time allowed, in the kit. And to me that is not a real deep bird. Deep, is birds hitting in the 3-4 seconds range and good ones are far and few between. But that is just my birds and my depth estimates.
Cliff
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