lightin' loft
16 posts
Jan 06, 2010
12:57 PM
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I was wondering what or who's lines develope early, and what lines that are late developing. Which do most prefer,and why?
Last Edited by on Jan 06, 2010 12:58 PM
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donnie james
875 posts
Jan 06, 2010
3:14 PM
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hay lightin'
my blue almonds comes in about 6 months and this is my first year with the tom monson and i'm not sure when they come i'll keep you posted........
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Donny James
"Fly The Best And Cull The Rest"
"Saying One Thing;Doing Its Another"
"Keep Your Head Planted In The Sky And Wings Spanned Wide"
1996 Piedmont Roller Club Lifetime Achievement Recipient
Portsmouth Roller Club Participation Award System Recipient 1994 '96 '97 And 2000
2001 Limestone,Ohio Sportsman's Club Lifetime Member Recipient
2002Portsmouth Roller Club Certified Judge
2004Portsmouth Roller Club Lifetime Member Recipient
"Miss Portsmouth"NBRC/90/J311 Rusty Dun Check Self Hen First Bird To Get Certified In Portsmouth Roller Club History With A Score Of 53 Judge By Joe Roe The 1993 World Cup Winner And John Bender The 1994 World Cup Winner
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nicksiders
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4017 posts
Jan 06, 2010
5:50 PM
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Thibodeaux's come in late = 8 months at the earliest. Gary Taylor's Black Hen family comes in late as well.
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Just My Take On Things
Nick Siders
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winwardrollers
401 posts
Jan 06, 2010
6:33 PM
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Nick
What is the base of Gary Taylors birds?
bwinward
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fhtfire
2434 posts
Jan 06, 2010
6:41 PM
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Mine usually come in 4-8 months...some years better some years not...but...it does not matter to me when they come into the roll..to me...young birds are just kids..learning to walk, run, jump etc....the end result is where it is at...what they look like at 14 months...2 years....
All the years the I have flown comp..I have yet to have an old bird team.....because I always had an overlfy or something stupid...Fog, overfly, coopers....my 08 team was pretty much all young birds except...a couple....
This year...my team is mostly 08 and 07 birds with some 09 in the mix..and I AM TOTALLY excited about this team..the team I have now is doing great....and I have to say..there is nothing like an old bird team..so my point is this...the end result is where it is at.
rock and ROLL
Paul
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lightin' loft
18 posts
Jan 07, 2010
10:50 AM
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I've talked to numerous guys about this and most want early birds . Do you believe this due to the various hazards ect...Paul, the reason for this question is the old bird teams .It does'nt appear that alot of old bird kits are flown at the flies i've attended. It would seem logical that old bird teams would be better performers?!----
LIGHTNIN' LOFT
Last Edited by on Jan 07, 2010 10:53 AM
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wishiwon2
271 posts
Jan 07, 2010
2:01 PM
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Brad, im no expert on Taylors family. 3142 was a blue t-check refered to as 'the black hen', out of NBRC 83 6465(Belew) x NBRC 84 2011(Belew), she was the namesake of his loft. His birds are derived from a few pairs bred by Les Belew, D. Hearns and H. Sparkes. Ferrell Bussing or Eldon Cheney could tell you more detail, they were associates of Gary Taylor and have his birds now. A key mating in that family is MPRC 83 407 (Sparkes) x NBRC 82 2611 (Hearns)
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Jon
If it were easy, everybody would do it
Last Edited by on Jan 08, 2010 8:51 PM
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3757
1362 posts
Jan 07, 2010
2:15 PM
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Jon - That would be Don Hearns for your records.
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Bill C
467 posts
Jan 09, 2010
9:30 PM
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I happen to like the late developing birds. I am refering to birds that come into the roll from 1 year or older. They seem to have much better control of the roll and being mature can handle it better. At least with the birds I have they have control that the early developing birds are lacking. I am always more excited over the hold over birds than the early developing birds.
I do have some early dev. birds also. I use them as my trigger birds in comp flys. They are mostly grizzles and badges and white flights.( off of Jaconette background ) They come into the roll from 4 months to 6 months. They are prone to bump coming into the roll, frequent out rolling on their own and and the ones that roll as soon as they near the kit or leave the kit after rolling to avoid rolling. This can happen with any family but if you watch carefully you find that these problem birds are almost always early developing birds. I rarely if ever have an bird over a year that is so frequent it cant fly with the kit. But even with a late developing family you will have the early birds that show these problems. With the new season of young birds flying you will have the early problem birds showing up in the new kit. The ones that are not culled do make good trigger birds and I keep them around for that reason. I do not cross the birds, they are both different types. The early birds are more stocky and cobbie birds while the late dev. birds are a bit more long cast. ( they are the old Pensom type I got from Borges and Kiser )
Anyone of us can breed unstable birds into the family we start with or breed out the unstable birds over time, its just harder with early developing birds because they are prone to have problems that older birds have over come already by the time they come into the roll in my opinion. By far the best velocity and style I have seen in my rollers come from the late birds, which makes them my favorites. Bill C
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nicksiders
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4026 posts
Jan 09, 2010
9:58 PM
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Brad, Jon pretty well summed it up Les Belew and Herb Sparks was paramont in the Black Hen family background. I have several Black Hen family birds and a few pedigrees and each pedigree shows Les Belew. The Thibodeaux's also have Black Hen involved. He used them mainly for increasing depth in his family a half dozen years ago.
I am finding the pure Black Hen family to be very hot, maybe a little over baked in some cases. Eldon and Ferrell will protest this, but it is what I am finding. Aubrey found the same thing and had to use Jacs to cut them a little along with his old family. The best kit I have ever seen was Aubrey's which were basically 3/4 Jac and 1/4 Black Hen. Aubrey has a neighboring friend who is flying pure Black Hen family and last year in the WC beat Aubrey. The year before in his region he place 4th with Aubrey taking the first two places. He says he is not finding many that are over baked.
This year maybe the first year I fly them in competition and I am anxious to see how they do.
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Just My Take On Things
Nick Siders
Last Edited by on Jan 09, 2010 10:14 PM
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3757
1363 posts
Jan 10, 2010
5:05 AM
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Lightnin - Any line can be changed without outcross including frequency, time the roll occurs etc. Most do not want to take time to do the homework.
Last Edited by on Jan 10, 2010 5:05 AM
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Spin City USA
273 posts
Jan 10, 2010
3:40 PM
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Right on point Doc. Many think that money will solve their problems and believe the easy way is to buy better breeders instead of making better breeders. You do need to have the right stock to begin with but even if you have them and dont use them right you are back to square one.
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They gotta Spin to win.....Jay
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