Squabby*32
134 posts
Jan 13, 2010
12:00 AM
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How many pairs and how many rounds do you let your birds go during breeding season? If you break them up during the season, do you ever try to put the cock on another hen and the hen on another cock and does it work out? Just curious about what has worked for some of you guys. Thanks.....
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DJJeffman Spinners
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wishiwon2
275 posts
Jan 13, 2010
9:18 AM
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DJ,
I have long enough season for 5 rounds here. I want 60-70 young so I will use 10-11 prs (raising their own) and foster a few. If Im using a hen as a donor for fosters, I pull 3 rounds eggs from her, then rest for a month. I try to have mine seperated before molt time, first of Sept.
I switch mates occasionally. Works best to move the hen vs the cock. Leave the cock, move the hen. Take away his old mate, wait 3-5 days before introducing the new mate. It also works best if you have different breeding pens where you can move mates and have them remain isolated. It doesnt work very well to simply switch mates in the same pen the same season. They will often continue to try to use their old nest boxes and will allow mating with the former mate.
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Jon
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quickspin
1096 posts
Jan 13, 2010
9:45 AM
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Every one breeds from different number of pairs depending on what they are trying to do and the bop conditions. As of me the minimum I breed is 8 pairs as of right now I have 10 pairs. I go up to 12 pairs or down to 8 depending if I want to give a try on some new ones. I give them a rest after 3 rounds to the hens and change the mate after. On some pairs I leave them till I get my self 6 rounds to get a better understanding on the pair.
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Salas Loft
Last Edited by on Jan 13, 2010 9:50 AM
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donnie james
884 posts
Jan 13, 2010
12:21 PM
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hay dj,
i have to agree quickspin "everyone breeds from different numbers of pairs depending on what they are trying to do and the bop conditions"
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Donny James
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nicksiders
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4034 posts
Jan 13, 2010
3:24 PM
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10 to 11 pair last year and in 2010. After that I will cut it back to 8 or 9. If everything goes well I will be looking at 6 or 7.
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Canspinners
321 posts
Jan 13, 2010
3:49 PM
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I really have a problem then .I am breeding from 30 pairs .how do you guys narrow it down to 10 pairs. i find it hard to do/
i have to get tough and get rid of the birds and pairs i am trying to prove through their youngsters.i should only stick with birds i have proven in flight .
Sorry squaby you would be better off taken the advise of the others on this one
Does anyone else bred over 20 pairs or more ?
The reason i do it is because of bop if i breed a hundred i am left with 15 -25 at year end. Another advantage isi get 3kits out yearly in just one round ..60 birds a round .if the birds of prey were not around i would of had my pairs selected but honestly i breed between 100-150 birds a season and i am lucy if i can prove6 -10 youngsters a season
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JEFF WILSON
44 posts
Jan 13, 2010
4:00 PM
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i must really have the problem.i have been looking my birds over thinking of what iam going to breed out of i sure wish i had between 20 and 30 pair of birds worthy of breeding from.you guys sure are lucky
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Canspinners
322 posts
Jan 13, 2010
5:27 PM
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Jeff thats the problem I cant say all the birds are worthy i now have about 15 pair i can say are worthy . what i should do right now is get rid of the rest and narrow it down to 10 pairs this season it makes things more manageble
the problem is i am working with three or for familys that i am trying to select from ..all have their pros and cons
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rollernutz
85 posts
Jan 13, 2010
5:58 PM
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DJ, I think it all depends on what you are trying to accomplish.Last year, I banded about 53 birds from 8 pair, which is roughly about 3 to 4 rounds. I wanted to see which birds produced best for me. This year I want to reduce my gene pool, so I am going to breed from the 3 best pairs and have two pairs of fosters for each pair. I plan on going about 6 rounds this year, switching the mates after the 3rd round. Since I breed in individuals, I dont't have a problem the birds trying to mate with their original mate. Next year hopefully, I can use some of the 09 kitbirds from these pairs to continue building a good tight family of birds.
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JMUrbon
852 posts
Jan 13, 2010
8:31 PM
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Can spinners, the problem with breeding from that many pairs is that it is virtually impossible to prove a pair out. To fly out the young from 30 pair that would mean you are only able to fly out a couple rounds and you need at least 8 young from a pair to prove them out.
Think about it this way, If you are only able to breed 4-6 young and you lose half to BOP and you cull 1 possible 2 then that would leave you with 1 young from that pair. You cant prove a pair with those odds.
You need to get the breeding pairs down to a managable number to make it easier on you. You will not have to try to fly so many birds and then you can focus on the percentage of good ones instead of the sheer numbers. Joe
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Canspinners
324 posts
Jan 13, 2010
8:57 PM
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i appreciate the advice joe. it makes good sense. I did not think of it the way you explained it. In fact thats exactly what happens i am left with one bird if any from some pairs ...and so i keep spinning my wheels each year trying to prove the pairs . It is a lot of work joe and what happens is once it becomes work the fun starts to decrease,
so i will need to cull harder on the birds in the breeding coop
Joe how many pair do you recommend some one to keep?
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Sound Rollers
177 posts
Jan 13, 2010
8:59 PM
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I'm going to breed from two pair of stock birds and two pair of fosters, I hope to put up a 20 bird kit this year. Do you think it can be done?
John
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fhtfire
2446 posts
Jan 13, 2010
9:33 PM
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I usually breed from 10-14pairs....That is as high as I go. I agree with Joe...to many pairs is not the way to go. This year I will start from 10 pairs and after the world cup I made add a couple more from my Ateam. I only keep 14 nest boxes in the loft and that is it. Keeps me honest. As I prove out new pairs and new birds...I dump the old...sell them to other fliers...so they can get some good breeders. If you stick to your game plan you keep moving forward...and that means in with the new and out with the old...the cream just keep rising to the top. It takes years to prove out new breeders...so it is not like you are dumping your old breeders all the time. Some young pairs just dont prove out so they are back in the team.
I also only keep 4 kit boxes..the young bird box hold 30 perches and the rest 22. I usually breed until every pearch is full..then if the breeders look good..I may sell a round. I always let my first round go too....I take the first middle rounds.
This year I have one empty young bird box and 2.5 teams so I only have about 45 birds to breed this year.
I also switch pairs some years...if I have a click pair I will breed them for numerous years and pick the best young...as I move around the other pairs mates..I work in the click pair young...then I break them up and pretzel breed each....and pull in the offspring that from my other pairs...and pretzel them...
rock and ROLL
Paul
The more birds the less focus
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JMUrbon
854 posts
Jan 13, 2010
9:40 PM
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I have the accomodations for 12 pair but I try to keep it to 10 or under. I usually run 6-9 pair and breed 60-80 young. Joe
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Sound Rollers
178 posts
Jan 13, 2010
10:35 PM
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Thanks Joe, I should get 20 young.
John
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Squabby*32
135 posts
Jan 13, 2010
11:20 PM
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Thanks for all of the input on this post. I will try to breed from 10 pair and get a good 25 bird A team to work with in the end. CAnspinner, I also had a few families I was working with last year and I will definitely narrow down a lot more this year to only one. John, I wish I like how you narrowed your breedin stock down to only two pairs plus fosters. The family you breed will be very close and ZI like that. Jon, I like how you give the hen a break after 3 rounds and I will incorporate that into my system somehow. Rollermutz, I wish I had the room to have individual breeding stalls that work for me. I tried but it was too much work for me in the small area I have to work with so this year I will be using open loft. Donny James, I will be trying to breed for the perfect kit of true champion spinners this year and beyond (this is my ultimate goal). Thanks again everyone for the invaluable input.
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DJJeffman Spinners
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Canspinners
325 posts
Jan 14, 2010
3:33 AM
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Thanks Squabby for asking the question i learned alot from your post . Joe and rock and roll paul ...i have been in this forum since it started and over the years participated in discussion at times . I want the two of you to know i have alot of respect for your opinion and advise as i know both of you have alot of experience and passion for the hobby.
Joe and Paul if i lived in the states i would not hesitate at all to get rid of all my birds except for a few pairs of the bob brown family. once that was done i would pick up three pairs of young birds from you guys and then stay to the 10 pair limit for breeders
it is really hard to find good birds in canada
Thats it for now thanks guys for the advise ...paul will remember more birds less focus makes sense will reduce for tis breeding season
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nicksiders
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4040 posts
Jan 14, 2010
11:07 AM
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Just got off the phone with Aubrey Thibodeaux and he is breeding from 32 pair this year. He had to remove three of his better breeding hens due to old age. His son, Jay, is getting back into pigeons more seriously this year. Jay is the one who got his dad into pigeons. Usually it is the father who passes down the pigeon love; in this case the love of pigeons was passed up(LOL). That was about 1982 or so.
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Squabby*32
148 posts
Jan 15, 2010
9:39 PM
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I wish I had the room and enough "Champion Birds" to have 32 pairs to put down. I will always be chasing this challenge until I arrive at that destination. Thanks again guys for the responses.
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DJJeffman Spinners
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Newbie 08
177 posts
Jan 19, 2010
8:21 PM
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DJ Jeff, what's up with you cuzzin? haven't talk to you in a few weeks. I've narrowed down to 10 pairs this year going three rounds on 5 pairs and 2 rounds on 5 pairs 4 pairs setting on squabs now and 3 more pairs eggs should be hatching Friday. Only going to breed 50 young this year the last rounds hatching around mid April. I will break up all pairs then concentrate on flying all the 09's and 2010 for the remainder of the season. I still have 24 of the hottest of 40 09's that I bred and flew for you all last year plus another 32 that I bred late last year in August for a total of 72 young last year off of 14 pairs loss 16 of them left me with 56. I just started training the last 32 a weeks ago. I decided to fly all year around for the first time to see what the BOP were like in the fall/winter I thought I'd better breed up a few more rounds to be on the safe side. You know in 2008 when I first got started July 2008 I flew the birds I had purchased as squeakers for only three months lost a couple to coopers and locked down from Oct 8th 2008 started breeding them in December and didn't let my birds out again until March Bop have me scared to death LOL!I should have at least a good 20 bird kit working well by March from these 32 of late August program as well as the young kit of 24 09's I flew for 8 months last year. This will give me 2 20 bird kits with 16 back ups already working when I start training the first rounds of this year's hatches. I'm sitting at 79 birds right now 56 I bred in 09 and 23 from my orignal 08 stock. LOL got some good things happening.Plan on flying 5 kits this year and weed down to the best 3.5 by the fall fly. Plan on keeping all my original stock and pick the best 70 of 106 2009/2010 hatches LOL. 10 pairs is enough for me to breed off moving forward. Next year hopefully I can narrow it down to the best 5 pairs breed 3 rounds each and weed out again. You know me I fly everything for two years breeders and all LOL. Want be flying the 10 original breeder pairs this year though. They have done their two years of flying and have proven worthy! Give me a call when you get time.This is my 3rd year and I'm pretty much where I hoped to be. You haven't been by the house lately got another double kit box 24 perches each and a hold over loft with 80 perches added to the 32 perch kit box and breeding loft you saw. LOL. It's growing dawg LOL! give me a call~~~ain't nothing to it but to do it~~~ LOL Peace!!
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Last Edited by on Jan 19, 2010 9:31 PM
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rtwilliams
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565 posts
Jan 19, 2010
8:25 PM
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How about one cock bird and six hens. Rotate on a polygammy basis. Keep those culls for 15 pairs of fosters.
Just an idea
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RT Williams
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Squabby*32
152 posts
Jan 20, 2010
12:06 AM
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I will call you tomorrow Rose. I still can't fly and have not for about a month due to weather. Talk with you tomorrow.
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DJJeffman Spinners
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