nicksiders
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Jan 15, 2010
5:46 AM
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The hen lays a clutch of two eggs. The first egg is laid about 5:00PM and the second egg is laid about 1:30PM on the third day. It is always good to keep a small calender and small wall clock in the nest box so they can observe and be on schedule.
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nicksiders
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Jan 15, 2010
5:51 AM
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Both birds will incubate the eggs with the cock relieving the hen about 10:00AM and setting until about 4:00PM. The small wall clock will help them in keeping track of this schedule.
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nicksiders
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Jan 15, 2010
5:53 AM
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The incubation is about 18 days and this is where that little calender comes in handy so they can prepare for the event a little a head of time.
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michael salus
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Jan 15, 2010
6:15 AM
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LOL !!!
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rookie from ct
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Jan 15, 2010
6:33 AM
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Nick i don't agree with you on the cock bird getting off the nest at 4:oclock because here on the east coast they sit until 5 and i do set there nest box clocks by it. Dennis
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rookie from ct
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Jan 15, 2010
7:01 AM
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And most of the time the cock will sit from the 17th day & night until both eggs are finished hatching. Dennis
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nicksiders
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Jan 15, 2010
7:23 AM
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Sometimes the eggs hatch together; sometimes the egg that is laid later,hatch later varying in time from a few hours to 24 hours.
A special note here; never put a calender or clock in your kit boxes. If the judge is late the birds will be pissed and when released they will not do well. Now if your RD is a bad RD and schedules them to fly in the evening and they wanted to fly in the morning they again get pissed and do not perform well. Your kit birds should never know what day it is or what time it is.
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nicksiders
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Jan 15, 2010
10:28 AM
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The pigeon in the shell is called an embryo; when it hatches it is called a squab. At hatching it is very small with its eyes closed and covered in a damp yellow down the quickly dries. It starts it search for food very quickly. Both parents can feed the little squab with pigeon milk. Pigeon milk is a substance containing cheese like particles, produced in the lining of the crop and regurgitated for the squabs to take.
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nicksiders
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Jan 15, 2010
10:33 AM
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The body chemistry begins to start the production of pigeon milk during the last few days of the incubation in both parents so that they are able to commence feeding the squab at birth. It is believed to start it production of the pigeon milk when movement and sound is created by the embryo.
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nicksiders
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Jan 15, 2010
10:47 AM
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The growth of the squab is miraculous. In six or seven days it is covered with pin feathers and should be banded with a seamless band, which identifies it for life. At 28 days it reaches its peak for size and fatness. If it is a meat bird which is called a Utility bird, it is ready to kill and eat. Mmmmmm Mmmmmm. If it is a Roller, you don't want to eat them. They are way too small and you would have to kill a bunch of them for a meal Just eat the big robust Utility birds. There are many delicious recipes. I prefer White Kings because that is what I ate as a kid, which is another name for a human child or squab. Kids should not be eaten, not unless it is a goat kid. These you can eat.
Special note: Utility birds do not have to be banded.....cause you are going to be eating them.
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nicksiders
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Jan 15, 2010
11:08 AM
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At 24 to 30 days old the weening stage begins, sometimes before with some breeders. They must learn to eat and drink on their own. The breeder has to be satisfied that they can eat and drink on their own before taking them to the kit boxes for trap training and a good look around their new living quarters. At this age they are sounding with squeals and squeaks. They will lose this at about 10 to 12 weeks of age. By 6 months they will have moulted their juvenal feathers. Young cocks commence to show their sex to all the hens who dare to look at about three months. Young hens become sexually mature at an average age of 6 months and begin to dress accordingly.
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nicksiders
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Jan 15, 2010
11:14 AM
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Mated pairs should breed well for five or six years and some will do well for 6 to 9 years. A 15 year old pigeon is about the equivalent to 90 years for man.
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wafer kits
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Jan 15, 2010
1:00 PM
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Nick;
Enjoy some of your posts. One question (re) putting clocks or calendars in your loft. Is it okay to use these items if they are printed in Japanese?
My birds cannot read that language, (LOL). Al
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donnie james
888 posts
Jan 15, 2010
1:24 PM
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hay nick,
i'm glad that you take time to write the hour down plus the date myself i'm disable and got time to do this but i wouldn't go that far to write the time down the hour but i do write the date down and the band number so i know who's out of what pair..............
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Donny James
"Fly The Best And Cull The Rest"
"Saying One Thing;Doing Its Another"
"Keep Your Head Planted In The Sky And Wings Spanned Wide"
1996 Piedmont Roller Club Lifetime Achievement Recipient
Portsmouth Roller Club Participation Award System Recipient 1994 '96 '97 And 2000
2001 Limestone,Ohio Sportsman's Club Lifetime Member Recipient
2002Portsmouth Roller Club Certified Judge
2004Portsmouth Roller Club Lifetime Member Recipient
"Miss Portsmouth"NBRC/90/J311 Rusty Dun Check Self Hen First Bird To Get Certified In Portsmouth Roller Club History With A Score Of 53 Judge By Joe Roe The 1993 World Cup Winner And John Bender The 1994 World Cup Winner
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Squabby*32
143 posts
Jan 15, 2010
9:23 PM
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I think I will put some clocks in my kit boxes now. The kit will now when to start doing their pre flight warm up exercises as the hour draws near..LOL..
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DJJeffman Spinners
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wannaroll
114 posts
Jan 17, 2010
11:04 PM
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I plan on imprinting chips to be installed in the brains with the use of Micro-surgery in my birds so I can set the speed, depth and tightness of roll. Cyber-Rollers.com
Dave - Hesperia, CA.
(San Bernardino Mountain Spinners)
Last Edited by on Jan 17, 2010 11:51 PM
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JBow
156 posts
Jan 18, 2010
9:49 PM
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Nick you are really serious with the birds. Heres a tip that will help you. Pull the first egg right after the egg is layed and keep it cool and after the second egg is lay put it back. Let it get to room temp before you put it back. Pretty much you can expect them to hatch at the same time if there fertile. jim bowen
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nicksiders
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Jan 19, 2010
12:24 AM
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Jim, I have wondered about that, but never asked about it. It would make things easier on the last laid bird. The development of the second laid and hatched birds seems to be troubled. I think the older and larger bird can bully the younger when it come to feeding time and that could affect its development.
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Last Edited by on Jan 19, 2010 12:25 AM
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birdman
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Jan 19, 2010
8:32 AM
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A good pair of breeders will only hover above the first egg without really sitting until the second egg is laid.
If I see the birds sitting on the first egg I replace it with a dummy egg until the second egg is laid.
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0221
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Jan 21, 2010
12:10 PM
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Nick, Did you know the 2nd egg always hatches first ???? And 99% of the time its either a cock or a hen. The one thats not a cock or a hen won't roll, but its not a good parent. I use them in the oven. A little something about your kitchen! How do you cook yours? I like mine with 3 eggs about 10 days fertile. have fun...........
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nicksiders
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Jan 21, 2010
1:03 PM
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0221 - what are they the remaining 1%(LOL)
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