Pinwheel
127 posts
Jan 21, 2010
9:40 AM
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Just wondering what everyone thinks on rolling being both a voluntary and involuntary behavior. I was just learning about cough and there is a voluntary and involuntary(reflex) component to it. We can consciously cough and we can cough out of reflex with varies degrees of being able self suppress it. Do you find that some birds actually appear to decide when to roll, while some might might be more reactive(ie reflex). Or maybe a bird can do both depending on the situation.
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Last Edited by on Jan 21, 2010 9:42 AM
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Tony Chavarria
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3852 posts
Jan 21, 2010
10:18 AM
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Well, I would just start with this, it isn't completely voluntary as only tumbling breeds are known to perform. So they are genetically predisposed to perform. Saying that, my experience with rollers is that when trained correctly and with good breeding behind them, they seem to perform at will.
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rookie from ct
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215 posts
Jan 21, 2010
11:05 AM
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Pinwheel i have a roll down that i keep for foster and when i clean the open loft i kick all birds out and he only sits on the loft i think he hit so many times he knows not to fly any more.Dennis
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Pinwheel
128 posts
Jan 21, 2010
4:19 PM
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In your lines, have you correlated the onset of rolling with some other behavior in your birds i.e. sexual maturity, losing their squeek, moult, or staying up late, using up your cell phone minutes, talking back, etc.
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rookie from ct
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218 posts
Jan 22, 2010
8:41 AM
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Pinwheel I have 3 teenage sons that don't even do that why would my birds,i took the phone out of the kit box after too many longdistant calls. Dennis
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JMUrbon
867 posts
Jan 22, 2010
10:22 PM
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I agree with Tony on this one. Rolling is unvoluntary. When the bird lacks the ability to control it, The result is usually a roll down. You will find that the longer a breeder breeds for controlled rollers the less frequent he will get roll downs. A roller the looses the ability to roll or not to roll no longer is performing voluntarily.
15 years ago there were alot of guys that bred and desired the "Rolldown" and although I could never figure out why, they did exist. Due to the focus of breeding better quality kits and kit birds and also the internet for allowing us that frown on the rolldown to be made very public a focus has turned away from the rolldown and more toward breeding quality pigeons.
The funny thing about the rolldown is that they were very territorial. What I mean is they were ofter found in heavier numbers in certain areas. Dont know why but I witnessed it as did alot of the flyers back then.
These birds are athletes and just as humans, dogs, horses or any other type of athlete, some are better than others. As long as we harvest the best and breed only from the best we will continue to move the breed forward. Joe
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