winwardrollers
405 posts
Jan 25, 2010
12:14 PM
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I hear guys state that birds look faster if they are dark in color. Birds with white flights show more defects and look slower. Interested in your response and will state mine later.
Brad Winward
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JMUrbon
874 posts
Jan 25, 2010
12:20 PM
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Brad my personal opinion on that is just the oposite. I have always heard and believed that white flights are decieving. They can roll with the best of them however with a little height the white flights are difficult to focus on compared to dark flights. Especially on a clear blue sky. Joe
I should also add that I have only had maybe 6 white flighted birds in the last 10 years so my experience on this is limited to what I see at other lofts.
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Last Edited by on Jan 25, 2010 1:08 PM
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rtwilliams
GOLD MEMBER
571 posts
Jan 25, 2010
12:47 PM
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Not sure what the answer is here. I look forward to hearing your response Brad.
The other day it was overcast threating snow, I flew the late hatch kit. In that kit is a cull that I am keeping to use as a foster. She rolls like crap, fights it the whole time, and is sloppy. Anyway with the overcast conditons her white flights vanished. She still looked like crap, but I could no longer see her wings.
The first bird that I bred and have stocked,is a blue check with mixed flights. She has always looked smooth,but not terribly fast. I have some dark checks that appear faster.
I think if you are paying attention to the whole bird, you can tell if it is spinning correctly, and estimate its speed fairly no matter the weather conditions. May be harder if you watching a whole kit, but if you focus on a single bird, and then compare to another you can tell the difference.
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RT Williams
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maxspin
376 posts
Jan 25, 2010
1:04 PM
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I had always heard that dark birds have the illusion of more speed against a blue background, and white flights have the illusion of more speed against a white background (clouds)
Keith
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nicksiders
GOLD MEMBER
4087 posts
Jan 25, 2010
3:27 PM
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I just ran a bunch of solid birds and white marked birds in my mind and after the sparks and smoke cleared my preference would be the unmarked bird. It just seems to look cleaner in the roll, but in the same token the white marked bird may appear to be of higher velocity. It is one of those things that if you ask me tomorrow I may have a different opinion based on what I will see today.(LOL)
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Just My Take On Things
Nick Siders
Last Edited by on Jan 25, 2010 3:28 PM
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Spin City USA
275 posts
Jan 25, 2010
5:00 PM
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The magic word here is "illusion". I agree with Keith and that is what I see when I am watching the birds perform. Also the height that they fly adds to the illusion. An avg kit can look super if they fly high enough, they are in scoreing range but the distance can hide a lot of flaws. So a lot depends on the sky background, markings, the height they are flying and the eyesight of the judge. He is judgeing the illusion he see's.
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They gotta Spin to win.....Jay
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wishiwon2
281 posts
Jan 25, 2010
6:52 PM
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It depends on the backdrop, or the sky conditions. On overcast skies, I believe white-flighted birds give a better illusion vs bright blue sky that favors darker birds. In my opinion, barred and open checked selfs, both blue and red birds give the best illusion. They have kind of a cryptic coloration on their undersides that blends into a diversity of sky conditions. They dont contrast as much as either a black or white. That distinct contrast makes it easier to see flaws.
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Jon
If it were easy, everybody would do it
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Scott
2829 posts
Jan 25, 2010
7:53 PM
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I fly under a lot of blue sky .. The selfs simply show better which is why my loft evolves around selfs.
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" God Bless "
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Scott Coe
36 posts
Jan 26, 2010
4:52 AM
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The human eye can only focus on one item at a time, From a distant space. According to my optometrist. So what the eye See's is only the focus point, and dark will always dominate this response. remember what the eye sees the brain will believe. That's why it is an illusion.
MAGIC 101!!
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winwardrollers
406 posts
Jan 26, 2010
5:52 PM
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Hey..guys between all of what has been listed above you have covered anything that I was going to comment on. I have had this subject come up in conversation more in the last few competition flies than any other subject.
bwinward
Last Edited by on Jan 26, 2010 6:29 PM
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macsrollers
256 posts
Jan 27, 2010
10:40 AM
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Many say that the dark checks and selfs are better spinners in their families. But I think the white flights can be just as good but the reason the dark birds appear better is because of the illusion of the spin as discussed. Try this, take 2 pin wheels type fans. Paint one solid black and paint the other white around the edge. See which one appears to spin faster. My eyes think the solid one spins faster. While this isn't a perfect comparison of how a white flight bird may look while it spins, it does help understand some about the illusion of the spin.
Enjoy your next fly! Don M. Mac's Rollers LVRC
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pigeon pete
504 posts
Jan 27, 2010
4:43 PM
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put you finger on the centre of a spinning fan and it may not hurt,but touch the end of the spinning blade and it may cut you fingers off!!
The air speed of the centre is slower than the outer part, so a dark bodied roller with white flights may appear to be spinning at a different speed than a self colored dark pigeon.
I would say that the majority of my birds have white flights, and when I get a dark self, it has to be realy good to look as fast as the white flighted birds. In blue sky sunny weather this is reversed, with the white flights showing up, and the dark and mid colours looking better. For all round masking of speed in most conditions, the mealy takes some beating.
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winwardrollers
407 posts
Jan 28, 2010
9:30 AM
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Pete
A few year ago Lavender was the dominate color in the kit . I would fly kits that were solid lavenders, I would have to say that is a color that you can loose in the Rocky Mountain overcast sky.
Two years ago I stocked a light red check hen that when flown with my check and black kit could have been easily looked over. Your eye would tend to easily follow the dark birds and her light color would not draw your attention as well.
bwinward
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