Anonymous
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Jun 30, 2004
9:12 PM
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What percentage of rollers in your loft roll in X,H,A,or () style.
Is A style better than H style?
Does type affect the rolling style ? Please describe type.
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Anonymous
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Jul 02, 2004
3:30 PM
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You have them in the right order X H A ()
X wingers don't excite me to much but most lofts have these.
H and A is what we should shoot for and then we very seldom come up with the () wingers.
Out of all of these we should have good speed and depth.
We should observe our on going accomplishments by the results of reaching each stage moving toward the ().
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Mother lode lofts
30 posts
Jul 02, 2004
5:16 PM
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Good post,but I'll take a "true" H over an A anyday,true being the key word here and not just an high X,I'm talking the kind that look like two buzzsaw blades on either sides of a tennis ball,I also get a few ^ type,kinda like an A where you can't see any wing on the top but an upside down V,I'm not sure how I feel about these,the "ball" is the ultimate but that true H is pretty darn close to it also for my personal preferance,and as far as percentages between the two they are about the same here (small),again I'm not talking about an high x here.
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spintight
2 posts
Jul 05, 2004
12:07 PM
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style is pure preference by many, not to mention that MOST don't even know what to look for.
I personally think your order is fine for most reasoning but there are many slight variations to these different styles.
X, H, A,() is the correct order in my opinion. The velocity can be the same in all of them with certain birds however.
I think X is very obviously a poor style and all will aggree but H is as "mother lode" states his opinon on.
If you think about the slight differences it is basically a physical trait, the make up of the birds wings, feathers and muscle mass.
Not to me it just makes perfect sense that these are progressions, now to me an A is just THAT much closer to obtaining the () in comparison to the H, or what I term as shrunken A, which is more similar to an oblong shape similar to the profile of an egg. The wings are a little more shrunken and more rounded on top.
You can see by the just the looks that H is behind the A in terms of progression in style.
I have seen many H style birds and a slower H looks much worse then a slower A style bird.
If you look at the shape of a pigeons keel it is shaped like a V or A shape. IF the bird does a full down ward stroke it should look like an A or V depending on your reference to each, to me they are pretty much doing the same, it appears that the wings are touching and this is what makes it look like an A.
But you pay for the feed for your birds and you can breed for whatever you like. This is just my 2 cents on it
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Mother lode lofts
36 posts
Jul 05, 2004
12:22 PM
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Well Dave it seems like it's rare that we agree on much,but both nailed it the same on geo's post at least LOL LOL
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Mother lode lofts
38 posts
Jul 05, 2004
2:58 PM
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By the way what the hell's a "shrunken" A LOL,generlly the A's that I've seen seem to just be able to gain the speed that a true balanced H can,Dave my birds can and do produce every wing postition there is,and that includes axle roller culls,now I will tell you why I like the true H so well,first it's the balance that can be seen bad,good or great is out there in the open,same with an X,the wing position may be poor but you truelly get a visual appreciation for the balance if it's right,balance means smooooooth,many time's when the wings give the apperance of blurring it's simply the balance being off coupled with speed (I think) this all illusion anyway,personally I think that the A is a good style (some don't agree with this),then again maybe your shrunken A I just call or see as something different and unless we are standing under the same kit compareing notes it's hard to say,
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spintight
4 posts
Jul 05, 2004
3:17 PM
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motherload,
what I call shrunken A is as I described it, it's very similar the to A but it has more of a rounded look at the peak. If you could draw an A but have a rounded top to it instead of a sharp A like with a regular capital letter A.
on my website I show what I feel it looks like. I have had very few shrunken A birds however the shrunken A birds also perform your regular A style also. I have yet to see a bird that would perform 100% of the time the same way. They get tired, might feel under weather etc...
anyway if you want to see it refer to my website
www.freewebs.com/spintight and then hit the link at the top titled "Helpful articles" the very last article discusses style.
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Mother lode lofts
39 posts
Jul 05, 2004
3:47 PM
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Dave what do you think of an upside down V out the bottom,as I mentioned earlier I get a few of them,not sure how I feel about them though.
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spintight
5 posts
Jul 05, 2004
7:41 PM
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up side down V is almost an H but not quite and X I'd say, maybe one them variations in there.
Again I only breed from A style birds, however you will see any scorable style in my kits. I upgrade them as I can throughout the season. I try to fly the best kit I can on fly day.
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Mother lode lofts
40 posts
Jul 05, 2004
8:37 PM
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No Dave it's niether an H or an X there is absoulutly nowing showing on the top or out the side,it's more like an A I think,but not as appealing,just one of those variables I guess,I saw a few in S. Calif. while judging the state fly last weekend,since you like the A style so much I figured you may get a few also,Dave don't we all try to fly the best team that we can on fly day ?,I take it that you are ready to play the game now,maybe we'll get to go toe to toe in the finals of a major fly,it should be fun.
PS Joe had some nice birds going up there,he just needed more of them,it's hard to do when you are scraping though and have to fly birds in the team that you normally would'nt
Last Edited by Mother lode lofts on Jul 05, 2004 8:39 PM
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spintight
6 posts
Jul 05, 2004
9:09 PM
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hey scott how'd the state fly end? any results to post?
I bet you had a nice trip anyway
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Anonymous
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Jul 09, 2004
10:47 PM
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Do the 'H' and 'A' styles ever wobble a bit while rolling? I have some high 'X' rollers with extreme velocity and good balance that really look good and I think that it's due to the velocity. What would I breed for to get the 'H' style and 'A' style rollers. Is it a trait within certain families or can it happen in any type of bird if selectively bred for? My current birds are short cast with big fully rounded muscled chests and handle like medium sized short distance racing homers. Any suggestions???
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spintight
10 posts
Jul 10, 2004
4:44 PM
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hello,
from my experience the short coby stocky birds tend to also be the "X" style birds on average. The birds that are teh "H" or "A" style birds tend to appear longer cast in appearance, most anyway. When you pick them up they tend to be nice size birds but when you see them in their stance that are kind of longer looking until you pick them up, I think due to the short wing and coby chests the birds don't have the ability to do "A" style. The wings kind of bend slightly during roll and the thicker shorter feathers don't bend as easy I think?
So if you want the "H" or "A" you'll have to out cross for sure.
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Anonymous
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Jul 12, 2004
11:51 AM
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So, would a wing that was a little bit longer affect the rolling style? What about the wide chest? Is a wide chest affecting a birds wing position?
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spintight
16 posts
Jul 12, 2004
8:24 PM
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I am not stating it's a fact that shorter wings and wider chest will make it physically in able to roll in A style, but it has been my experience that most of the X style birds tend to be short coby and thicker in the chest. There are always exceptions to everything so it's not a set in stone sort of thing.
But if you don't see it you won't get it. YOu'll need to outcross or bring in some others to experiment with if you want it.
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jim
5 posts
Mar 13, 2006
11:48 AM
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wow ten years and some are finaly waking up
X STYLE BIRDS SHORT AND COBBY, THE FIRST STEP in a long rd to spinnerdom
next step axles
next step baseballs,reduce the size of your birds,it will all come to gether in time
birds are longgated in looks because they are .measure them
these bird will give you A,hs if the wings are long enough
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motherlodelofts
636 posts
Mar 13, 2006
2:28 PM
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Run that buy me again Jim as I know that I must be confused, are you saying that X wingers and on to Axel rollers are on the way to making ball Rollers ?
Scott
Last Edited by motherlodelofts on Mar 13, 2006 2:29 PM
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Ballrollers
298 posts
Mar 13, 2006
5:41 PM
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Scott, You talkin' about me? LOL! Cliff
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jim
9 posts
Mar 15, 2006
3:58 AM
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well mother measure your rollers wing butt to tip
your wing loading will be 8.1/2 up
from 8.1/2down yoUR x wings will turn in to axle you are now in spinnerdom enjoy baseball
1 problem you must have spin gene
side view donut or ball
if you want H STYLE GO THE OTHER WAY OVER 9 1/2 WING
THE BIRD WILL START TO LOOK LIKE SWALLOWS BARN LONGGATED
THE RULES FAVOUR THESE HOPE THIS HELPS
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C.J.
33 posts
Mar 15, 2006
4:11 AM
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Jim intereting post. See I Knew you had something positive in you. Keep it up. Great to have a positive Jim here. Welcome.
Just My Two Cents!!
C.J.
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