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sickness please help
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mario
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380 posts
Feb 05, 2010
2:24 PM
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Hi guys
last year i didnt breed any birds because i was moving to a other place ,,i just fly 2 kits and i send my breeders to an old man who said that he knew about pigeons at the end of the year when i went to get my birds he told me that he couldnt get any young at all from them they where dying when they where 8 to 25 days old ......i never had sickness in my birds before ,whats going on ?? thanks i appreciate .....Mario
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nicksiders
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4130 posts
Feb 05, 2010
2:36 PM
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Bacterial secundary infections
Pathogens/Cause:
Bacteria, like streptococci (Streptococcus faecalis,Streptococcus gallinarum), staphylococci (Staphylococcus aureus).
Streptococcosis is an uncommon acute or chronic bacterial disease that can occur in pigeons. Contaminated feed or water and infected birds transmit the streptococci. The bacteria enter through body openings and breaks in the skin. Generally only a few birds in a flock become infected at any one time.
Staphylococcus organisms occur worldwide. They commonly reside on the skin and mucous membranes without causing infection. The potential for bacterial infection largely resides in the degree of resistance that the host is capable of mobilizing.
Symptoms of bacterial infections:
Salmonellosis-like symptoms. Diarrhoea, listlessness, paralysis, emaciation particularly in young pigeons. Abscess-like nodules in all organs, especially the intestine.
Treat with ampicillin
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Nick Siders
Last Edited by on Feb 05, 2010 2:38 PM
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nicksiders
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4131 posts
Feb 05, 2010
2:42 PM
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Trichomoniasis (Canker)
Trichomoniasis occurs in pigeon flocks worldwide. It is especially feared as a rearing disease with severe losses.
Pathogen:
Trichomonas gallinae is a monocellular, motile flagellate. Nearly all pigeons are carriers of trichomonads, which live in the mucosa of the beak and throat, the gullet and the crop. Infected pigeons excrete the parasites in saliva and faeces. Adult pigeons infect the young when feeding crop milk.
Symptoms of the disease:
Nestlings develop an umbilical infection and an abscess is formed which can spread to the internal organs. At 10-14 days of age, pungent-smelling liquid droppings and the first signs of retarded growth are observed, with the nestlings constantly squeaking for food.
Treat all your birds with a 4 in 1.
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Nick Siders
Last Edited by on Feb 05, 2010 2:44 PM
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Bill from NJ
104 posts
Feb 05, 2010
4:10 PM
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Young Birds Dying In The Nest Early
This breeding season I have recieved about 10 consultations concerning youngsters dying at an average of 2 days of age.
There are many reasons for young to die in the nest. The obvious ones of being trampled, chilled, etc. occur only occasionally.
Trichomonas can overwhelm a squab but this is not epidemic in most cases. When it occurs in extraordinary numbers, it is usually symptomatic of a septicemic (bodywide, being spread via the blood stream) infection caused by bacteria.
The infection can be started before hatching, the egg being contaminated before being laid or through bacteria penetrating the shell (this usually when conditions are damp and fecal contamination present. Most often it happens immediately after hatching.
A correlation which I have just figured out is the use of nest pads. Nest pads have been the common denominator in all the cases that I have been involved with this season.
Granted, nest pads are commonly used with good results, but for some reason I believe that they become a good place for bacteria to increase in numbers. These bacteria serve to infect the babies as they hatch, probably invading through the umbilicus before it dries.
All babies are exposed to some bacteria, as they are never in very aseptic condition at hatching. I takes an infective dose of bacteria to begin an infection, the numbers depending on many variables.
The more bacteria that are present, the easier it is for them to infect. If nest pads are used (either commercial varieties or homemade from carpet,etc.), they should be disinfected and dried thouroughly before use, and should be replaced just before the babies hatch to discourage this from happening.
This is recommended for lofts having this problem. For those who use them with no problems, it may be something to consider. A Clorox soulution, or Nolvasan solution can be used to disinfect, but remember to wash away as much organic material before soaking. Soaking time of an hour or so should be adequate. They should be thouroughly dry and aired before reuse.
It is possible that I am making an inaccurate assumption, but I feel it is my duty to share what I suspect to hopefully help as many fanciers prevent problems.
In cases where no pads are used, it is still wise to change nest material with each new clutch and just before eggs hatch.Culturing a fresh dead baby may also help understand this syndrome.
Babies dying early on occurs occasionally but when this becomes epidemic, nest pads should be at the top of the rule-out list.
Dr. David E. Marx D.V.M.
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Bill from NJ
105 posts
Feb 05, 2010
4:15 PM
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Paratyphoid
Background: Caused by Salmonella typhimurium var, Copenhagen; it is a gram-negative rod shaped bacteria. Paratyphoid is probably the most common and important bacterial disease in pigeons. It is often subclinical (not apparent) in adults and an acute fatal disease in squabs.
Adult subclinically infected birds remain carriers and are a souce of infection to young birds. Transmission is orally and via eggs. Outbreaks are often seen in the breeding loft late in the breeding season.
Signs: Squabs -- death in the shell, retarded growth, dying in the nest at 5-10 days of age, pin feathers don't open, diarrhea, lameness at weaning, it is possible for only one of two youngsters in a nest to be infected.
Older birds: Poor performance, acute death (especially in cocks), thickened joints, dropped wings, wing "boils", lameness, unable to fly, severe weight loss, diarrhea, reproductive problems, torticollis, opistothonus (twisted heads).
Diagnosis: Bacterial culture-tetrathionate or selenite enrichment broth onto brilliant green agar from intestinal or crop contents.
Serology: agglutination test; cavvinated birds will react positive; subclinical carriers can test negative.
Necropsy: gut ulceration, lung abcesses, mucopurulent arthritis; liver, spleen, pancreatic abcesses, hepato-splenomegaly (could be only finding), purulent meningitis, degeneration or inflammation of ovary or testis.
Treatment: Antibiotic therapy determined by culture and sensitivity. Effective antibiotics may include: Enrofloxacin, Ciprofloxacin, Trimethoprim, Trimethoprim/Sulfa, Amoxicillin, Cephalexin, Nitrofurazone, Sodium Sulfachlorpyridazine.
Treat for minimum of 10 days.
The use of a quinolone such as enrofloxacin or ciprofloxacin for 30 days may eliminate infection in subclinical carriers.
Prevention: Rodent Control -- if a loft has a rodent problem, it most likely has a Salmonella problem. Loft sanitation and/or acidification of loft litter may help control it in the environment. Quarantine new birds and those returning from shows and races for 14 days. Screen birds with serology and bacterial culture. The organism can be hard to grow from live birds. Subclinical carriers may be intermittent shedders and be the source of infection in a loft.
Vaccination: About 70% effective, its use is recommended. It is often given at the same time as PMV-1 vaccination. A booster vaccination 2 weeks after initial vaccination is recommended. Vaccination at 6 month intervals is probably a good idea in lofts with a documented Salmonella problem.
"The Pigeon Guide" by Shannon Hiatt and Jon Esposito, D.M.V. Published by Silvio Mattacchione & Co., 2000
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J_Star
2253 posts
Feb 05, 2010
5:55 PM
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You guys listed all the diseases (lol). You were suppose to just pin point to possible one or two. However, just give them 4 n 1 just to be on the safe side.
Jay
Last Edited by on Feb 05, 2010 5:57 PM
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BA Rollers
320 posts
Feb 05, 2010
6:48 PM
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Its most likely parathyphoid. One or both of the parents are carriers. The only way to cure the carrier state is with Baytril. From my experience curing the carrier state works about 50% of the time. Sometimes following up with another treatment of baytril about six weeks later can help.
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mario
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381 posts
Feb 06, 2010
6:27 AM
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thanks guys .....but where can i find those products ? are they expensive ?
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