jt smash
73 posts
Mar 08, 2010
1:12 PM
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Went to my open loft during feeding time and have been noticing that a few birds take to flight and roll. Many are smashing to the loft floor. I found one dead last week and one today. Also saw one that was not moving just sitting. I picked that one up and he was very light. I think I might have a problem what could it be. Note: I have not seen any green dropping in the loft.
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wannaroll
153 posts
Mar 08, 2010
4:30 PM
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Worm your birds. If the worms go unchecked your birds can get all sorts of secondary illnesses.
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Dave - Hesperia, CA.
(San Bernardino Mountain Spinners)
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johnjay
14 posts
Mar 08, 2010
6:50 PM
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How often are we suppose to worm the birds?.....and what meds are best?
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TheGame
694 posts
Mar 08, 2010
7:37 PM
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Johnjay it all comes down to what kind of wormer you have. If you have a cheaper kind you may have to worm several times. If you have a more expensive one you only need to worm 1 time. (worm at least once a year)
Some people however feel there is no need to worm...there was a big debate about this awhile back lol.
Hopefully some of the more experienced flyers can chime in. Good Luck
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Squabby*32
219 posts
Mar 08, 2010
7:41 PM
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I use ivomex to worm my birds. Give it to them in their water, then, three weeks later give it to them again. Ivomex is one of the more expensive wormers but it is worth itin my opinion.
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DJJeffman Spinners
ATAPWGIYAHTLY
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johnjay
15 posts
Mar 08, 2010
7:42 PM
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thanks..
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TheGame
697 posts
Mar 08, 2010
7:50 PM
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The Wormer I use is Moxidectin. This wormer kills all sorts of different worms and even kills external parasites feeding off the bird. I only use this wormer once a year.
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wannaroll
157 posts
Mar 08, 2010
8:52 PM
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"Worm-Out" gel is a good and effective wormer. You are suppose to worm your birds 4 times a year, according to the experts. They also say you should rotate the type of wormer you use. I use the Worm -Out and on the odd months use Wazine, but the Wazine is only good for round worms. That is the type your birds probably have (like dogs and cats)and they will suck the life right out of your birds.
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Dave - Hesperia, CA.
(San Bernardino Mountain Spinners)
Last Edited by on Mar 09, 2010 1:41 PM
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lew3015
98 posts
Mar 09, 2010
5:24 AM
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Can Someone explain why they feel that worms are causing the problems indicated in the original post. I am at a loss here.
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Lew
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wannaroll
158 posts
Mar 09, 2010
7:09 AM
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The worms are eating all the nutrients your birds need to stay healthy. In other words, what you feed your birds they are sharing with the worms. That's why they are light. In this weakened state it also makes it to where they can't resist the roll, that's why they are rolling in your loft and crashing into the floor.
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Dave - Hesperia, CA.
(San Bernardino Mountain Spinners)
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Pogohawk
52 posts
Mar 09, 2010
11:40 AM
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I just had my first fatal roll down this morning. The bird flipped right of the roof and hit the yard. He was very hurt and I had to put him down unfortunately. He has been showing this behavior the last few days, and I had him seperated and cooped up. As I was feeding my other birds I left his cage door open by mistake and he flow up to the roof top. Sat there for a few minutes and then jumped, rolled and hit. I guess its just part of the job but it still sucks.
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lew3015
100 posts
Mar 09, 2010
12:41 PM
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Wannaroll, What if they are not light, been eating well, Just decide to start rolling uncontrollable,in or out of the loft, such as pogohawks bird did. Is this a sign of worms also?
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Lew
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wannaroll
162 posts
Mar 09, 2010
1:39 PM
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The original post said that a bird was going light, that is a general first treatment for birds going light. If you have not been worming your birds it won't hurt to treat them. The Worm out gel and the wazine are some of the safest products for worming any type of bird. You can also take some of their poop to a vet and they will tell you if you have worms or not.
Lew3015, are you talking about kit birds coming out of the box? What do you feed your birds? If it's something that your birds all of a sudden starting doing, it could be anything. Even though the birds might not be light or appear healthy, something is making them weaker to where they can't resist the roll. If they can't resist they will crash like a Kamikaze pilot on Sake.
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Dave - Hesperia, CA.
(San Bernardino Mountain Spinners)
Last Edited by on Mar 09, 2010 1:47 PM
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lew3015
101 posts
Mar 09, 2010
2:52 PM
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The reason I asked is I have a couple of birds that fly good, roll good, they are not light, they eat good, but when they land after flying, they will be on top of the loft and as they try to fly short distance like going to the trap, they flip, land, try again, flip, land. If I chase them back up, they fly good, roll good, they are 40 footers and upon landing, they do the same, flip, land, flip, land, once back in the loft their fine. I feed pellets with a little wheat mixed in. They were wormed just a month ago, with baytril, so I can't believe it would be worms. They have just started doing this with the warmer weather.
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Lew
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Oldfart
GOLD MEMBER
1672 posts
Mar 09, 2010
3:23 PM
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Lew, If you are just getting them back in the air cut a little slack. If this fat bald old man had to run a race I would need a stretcher!lol
I am not 100%, absolute sure but I think Baytril is an antibiotic used for Paratyphoid (Salmonella) or respiratory infections. Will it work for worms?
Thom
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lew3015
103 posts
Mar 09, 2010
4:01 PM
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I Am sorry thom It was bayverm, Thanks for the catch. Ya These are jaconette birds I have flown all winter when ever the weather was good and no wind. So they are used to flying.
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Lew
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Oldfart
GOLD MEMBER
1673 posts
Mar 09, 2010
4:39 PM
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No need for sorry, Lew. I don't know why they would flip on landing if they are seasoned fliers. I hope they don't start bumping, it could just be they are exicited about the good weather. Like a colt bucking in the sun. :)
Thom
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
GOLD MEMBER
2941 posts
Mar 09, 2010
5:11 PM
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Worm out Gel-....Tramisol.........great wormers
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RUDY PAYEN
PANCHO VILLA LOFT
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steve49
455 posts
Mar 09, 2010
5:23 PM
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Moxidectin, as TheGame uses, is a superior wormer designed for birds, requiring only one dose in the water. wazine, which is piperazine is used for other livestock as well, and it requires a repeat dosage 10 days later. i'm switching to moxidectin for future use.
also, kitbirds kept on wire floors are less likely to get worms, so keep that in mind. if the birds don't come in contact with their droppings which contain the worm eggs, they'll most likely not get worms. management is key.
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Steve in Blue Point, NY
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