Pogohawk
80 posts
Mar 29, 2010
8:39 AM
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I have a bald opal bird that has one pearl eye and one bull eye. He is not blind in either. I know there are many opinions over eye sign but I was wondering if he might throw young with the same trait? Also can this be a problem for the bird? He is one of my better spinners but shows a lot of hesitation before spinning good 20's and 30's.
Last Edited by on Mar 29, 2010 8:40 AM
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JDA
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758 posts
Mar 29, 2010
8:45 AM
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That is very common with birds with white heads balds and badges.JDA
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ezeedad
1108 posts
Mar 29, 2010
8:56 AM
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No problem Pogo...
It is a trait that is passed on to the youngsters. Bull eyes are dominant in white headed birds I have heard. If you want no bull eyes use self colored birds or those woth no white on their heads.
Actually bull eyed birds can be read, but you have to look a lot harder.. like with a magnifying glass or jewelers loop.
Paul G
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Sunflower
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637 posts
Mar 29, 2010
1:45 PM
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Paul,
I don't know if they are dominant, they certainly can be prevalent. I breed away from them and about 95% of my badges and balds come out with orange or pearl eyes. I get an occasional odd-eyed bird but rarely do I get double bull eyes. Part of the trick is not breeding badge to badge or bald to bald.
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Keep em Spinning
Joe
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gotspin7
2657 posts
Mar 29, 2010
7:41 PM
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Pogohawk, the color of the eyes does not matter. Concentrate on your best spinners, that will move you forward with your stock. Good luck!
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Salvador Ortiz
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Pogohawk
81 posts
Mar 29, 2010
10:50 PM
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I agree gotspin. Performance is all that matters in my book. I've never given much thought to eye sign but I've also never really been taught what to look for, other than bright healthy looking specimens.
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Hammer_00
18 posts
Mar 30, 2010
8:15 AM
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my foundation cock was a 50 ft plona cock one bull eye one orange. badges bred to gether will produce bull eyed birds. breed to selfs and grizzels and you should not breed bulleyed birds. as already stated eye color has nothing to do with spin the rick mee birds are very inbred and lots of bull eye . but great spinners.personley i do not like bull eyed birds
Last Edited by on Mar 30, 2010 8:21 AM
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Sunflower
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639 posts
Mar 30, 2010
9:17 AM
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Hammer,
I agree with you that eyes have nothing to do with performance. I find bull eyes to be ugly with little or no expression. Performance always has to be the first priority to stock a bird but rarely do I stock a bird with bull eyes or odd eyes. With the increasing population and ferocity of the BOP I can only fly my birds for 3 to 4 months a year. The other 8 to 9 months of the year I have to enjoy them sitting on a perch. That is why I love the look of a pearl or orange eyed badge or bald. Performance and beauty can be achieved if you want it. If you don't care about appearance then it doesn't matter what color the eyes are as long as the bird performs!!
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Keep em Spinning
Joe
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Scott
2981 posts
Mar 30, 2010
10:01 AM
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What do you mean by "hesitation" ?
(He is one of my better spinners but shows a lot of hesitation before spinning good 20's and 30's. )
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Scott Campbell
" God Bless "
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Pogohawk
84 posts
Mar 30, 2010
1:26 PM
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He always locks up for half a second and then begins the spin. I've always considered it a sign of control but what do you think?
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fhtfire
2502 posts
Mar 30, 2010
5:34 PM
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Why would someone breeding for performance breed away from an eye color, feather color or what have you. If you are breeding away from a "look" or for a "look" then you are shooting yourself in the foot.
Bull eyes are just sunglasses on the birds.Character of the bird is not in the eyes, it is in the bird as a whole. How it carries itself on the perch and in the air. I guess it is just a human thing to have to see the eyes. I know when I played football...I used to wear a visor in my facemask...basically it is a tinted piece of plastic that is inside your facemask...I wore it just so recievers could not read my eyes when i was a corner back or free safety...but I had ALOT of players tell me that they were intimidated just for the fact you could not see my eyes.....we also see it as a lack of respect when someone looks down and does not look you in the eye.....maybe that transfers to the birds for some.
The fact is....eyes color is meaningless as far as performance...my foundation cock is an odd eyed bird...one of my other top cocks is bull eyed on one side and crack eyed on the other....both were excellent spinners and top producers...I have a bull eyed bird in my A team that is a smoker....my point being....follow the roll...anytime you breed away from something for a certain..look...color etc....your vision is now clouded....so some fanciers are bull eyed...LOL...
rock and ROLL
Paul
Last Edited by on Mar 30, 2010 5:36 PM
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Sunflower
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642 posts
Mar 30, 2010
7:06 PM
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Paul,
I respect your opinion. I just disagree with it, I am not sacrificing anything by breeding away from it. My orange and pearl eyed badges spin as good as the odd or bull eyed birds. I do have 2 odd eyed hens that I am breeding from this year but I put them on self headed half brothers. Good luck in the WC!!!
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Keep em Spinning
Joe
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Scott
2987 posts
Mar 30, 2010
7:23 PM
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By locked up.. do you mean tail sit ?
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Scott Campbell
" God Bless "
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fhtfire
2503 posts
Mar 30, 2010
7:25 PM
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Hey Joe,
Was not saying anything toward you...just stating to new guys that are on here....to not worry about the eye color......you just clarified what I was posting...you have orange and Pearl eyed birds that spin just as good...so you are not breeding away from Bull eye...you are breeding with what is spinning.....I knew what you were saying...and I figured that you pull better birds or birds just as good than a bull eyed bird......
To Clarify even more.....to the newbie reading these posts....
Would you pull a bull eyed bird for stock if it was the best spinning bird in your team? or would you pass it up for an inferior bird that had orange or pearl....
Again...I read some posts like I was a new flier...and will throw a post to make you think...nothing more nothing less..or to make the original poster..add more to the post....was not to long ago I was the new guy...and new guys just read the words on the post....experience lets you read between the lines....I knew what you meant...just wanted you to say it!!
ROck and ROLL
Paul
Good Luck to you too!!
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Hammer_00
19 posts
Mar 31, 2010
9:22 AM
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dont let eye color influence your breedings. if you have abull eyed bird. that you would like to try as a breeder by all means give him a try you can always breed away from the eyes. if your bird hesitates be for spining that is a flaw in the bird and has nothing to do with eye color. if he is just starting to spin he could be afraid to comit to the spin.give him some time if he dose not inprove i would keep to high standards and cull.
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Pogohawk
86 posts
Mar 31, 2010
12:52 PM
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Thanks for all of the input everyone. I'm glad to have guys like you to throw questions at. I do not give much merit to the color of eye, so long as the bird performs. I believe the bird does the flying not the pedigree or eye color. I don't believe I will breed for or against this trait in the future, strictly performance. To answer your question Paul, I would stock the bull eyed bird, given that he showed the performance qualities I find important.
On another note, he is a younger bird and I think your probably right Hammer_00. He seems slightly afraid to comit to the spin but when he does he flips nicely.
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macsrollers
300 posts
Apr 29, 2010
11:58 PM
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Many old timers say, regarding eyes, is that they like their birds to have 2 of them! I had a Hugo Blaas Bald Cock that was bull eye on both sides for several years. As it got about 4 or 5 years old one eye changed in to an orange eye. Now this was many years after my smoking days so I now this is true! Enjoy your next fly! Don M Macs Rollers
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