jnyce
880 posts
Jun 06, 2010
10:51 AM
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I bought a pair of these birds in the triads burn out auction yesterday the birds came from this guy frank he out a kit and fhe were a nice kit of youngs they were workin until the crows chased up he said they were pure what do yall no about this family if anything
jerry t
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quickspin
1114 posts
Jun 06, 2010
6:47 PM
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Well J Leroy Smith has been dead for some time now so they are not bred by him. They might be great great grandsons out of bird birds that were bred by Leroy. They should use there name as the back ground of the birds you bought as they been breeding them there own way now not Leroy Smith way. I only see a sale pitch when I see for sale bulletins of Pure 514, Pensom or Leroy Smith.
Also not just those but many other birds if they are not banded by the person they are saying they are off of I would not bother with them. Just go directly with the person. If you want Norm Reed birds go with him if you want Jerry birds go directly to him. And with the same with other families. Everyone breeds them different so they are going to be different even if they are out of the same strain.
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jnyce
881 posts
Jun 06, 2010
7:58 PM
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Hey quick spin thanks for responding but maybe u miss understood my question or maybe i didnt pharse it right i was just trying to get some back round on this family of birds
jerry t
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Hector Coya
665 posts
Jun 06, 2010
8:37 PM
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Therese good and bad in this family,just like any other family of rollers,They Spin deep and fast,but many take 8 to 10 months to come in to the roll,now with the Falcons the way we have them theses family's are not what people look to breed from,I have the 1315 J L Smith family,going back to one of the son's off 1315,but i would not fly a hole kit of them,there just here for sentimental reasons.
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3757
1413 posts
Jun 07, 2010
6:38 AM
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Jnyce - People are going to give you feedback only based on the small number of birds they have dealt with and 99 percent were not 100 percent of Smith blood but had some other blood in them. The best thing to do is get more of an understanding of where and who this gentleman acquired his stock from? Was it directly from Smith or generations down?
Except for some of the Plona birds there were few true Smith birds in California that represented Smith's line of pigeons. A couple of birds were famous just because Smith bred them and that does not mean a lot and does not represent Smith's family. If you really want information on Smith family of birds the individuals with Plona strain will give you a better view as Plona inherited Smiths birds and there are a few that are still breeding three generations from Smiths personal matings that represent more of the family than one or two birds. This is still not a true representation of Smith either because a person can change the direction of the original breeder.
Last Edited by on Jun 07, 2010 6:54 PM
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Scott
3073 posts
Jun 07, 2010
6:55 AM
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LaRon.. if they are only three generations down.. doesn't that represent a potential problem ?
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wa1tmaster
GOLD MEMBER
42 posts
Jun 07, 2010
8:13 AM
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Jnyce the way i understand it that the birds came from a man by the name of Mr.Patterson from NC.that got the birds from Smith way back when.As he was getting up in his age he wasn't able to take care of the birds,that was in 2008.Most of his birds when to Joe Mitchell and a few others in Carolina.
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until next time.
THANKS,
WALTER PORCH
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Longroller
GOLD MEMBER
261 posts
Jun 07, 2010
4:07 PM
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George Patterson got his Smith birds from Haywood Diggs. I am one of a few, yes Joe has straight Carolina Blue's (Georges Smith line). I don't know "Frank"..but some folks in N.C. have Georges old line. Pretty good stuff, generally very hot so be careful. I have raised this family for close to 30 years.Am flying some 4 kitboxes of them presently. Bruce Kuhlman
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Hector Coya
666 posts
Jun 07, 2010
6:01 PM
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  Great great great great grandsons to J L Smith 67#1315
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jnyce
883 posts
Jun 09, 2010
4:41 AM
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Well the coc that i have is from 2008 frank is a member of the triad roller club in NC but i will breed these and see what happens hey bruce what is ur management program for these birds ?? and hector i love blacks selfs nice bird
jerry t
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Longroller
GOLD MEMBER
262 posts
Jun 09, 2010
8:32 PM
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Be care breeding deep to deep. Watch the feed..they like to fly high and in a mixed family kit, will generally be on the top of the kit or higher. I am flying two kits of 20-25 birds each. Really a kick in the pants..they come in from 6 months to 12 months. Am playing around with some of the same blood as Hector's..originating from Lavin. I am fortunate to have several that look identical as the picture..and are starting to coming in to the roll at 3 months. My Patterson birds are generally very hardy and with my feed can (tuna can affixed to a 2x4 in the nest box) in the box, they are strong to wean at 30 day of age. Hope this helps. Bruce
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