RodB
12 posts
Dec 04, 2004
3:29 PM
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Hello
What opinions do you guys have on amount of flying you give your kits , I like the sound of Niebles yo yo system , as this system reqires that the kit flys once every 3 days it would allow you to work with more kits than if you were flying every day , what regime do you fellas use and recommend .
Thanks Rod
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highroller
58 posts
Dec 04, 2004
3:40 PM
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Rod,
The yo-yo system is for fully developed birds. You should feed and fly your young birds daily until they physically mature and come into the roll. After they mature is when the yo-yo system could come into play.
Dan
Last Edited by highroller on Dec 04, 2004 3:57 PM
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JUrbon
41 posts
Dec 04, 2004
8:37 PM
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Rod, You fly them hard until they come into the roll and then you cut them back. If you continue to fly them hard then you will either end up with stiffs or rolldowns and you don't want either. in this game of flying rollers it all comes down to management and the best manager will always win over the better birds if all other aspects are equal. Joe Urbon
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PR_rollers
545 posts
Feb 19, 2008
4:13 PM
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Thought i bring this around for the newbie,Joe made a good point here.." it all comes down to management and the best manager will always win over the better birds if all other aspects are equal". so true Joe ..
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Ralph....
Last Edited by on Feb 19, 2008 4:15 PM
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Sandy91, SA Region 3
179 posts
Feb 19, 2008
4:22 PM
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I've been flying two yaung kits real hard and they are both stiff now. The one kit is four months old and the other one is three months old. Some off the birds started to roll real nice in both kits and other did nothing and now they roll very seldom. I flew them on wheat only and gave them once a week a mixture. What did I do wrong or should I fly them less and change food?
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sippi
53 posts
Feb 19, 2008
4:23 PM
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I fly mine hard every day until they start to get stiff and then go on the yo-yo system. My line will usually start to stiffen up about six to eight months. I have found that the yo-yo system works even better for Orientals than for Birms. I decided to do it to them as well since I was having to do it to my Birms. The change was extreme. I am going to use it when I compete with them.
sippi
Last Edited by on Feb 19, 2008 4:24 PM
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Sandy91, SA Region 3
180 posts
Feb 19, 2008
4:30 PM
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Thanks sippi, I am trying other feed this year to see if I can get better results, previously I flew only on mixtures and worked well for me and my kits were very seldom stiff.
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CSRA
1398 posts
Feb 19, 2008
4:49 PM
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thats a good post good job i fly everyday until they come into the roll then i slow there time down just a tad
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Bill C
82 posts
Feb 19, 2008
4:52 PM
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Sandy91, It is not unusual for young birds at 4 or 5 months to stop rolling. They go through phases. first they drop and do a few flips, next they seem to get into a real active water falls. I always have alot of activity in three or four month birds, this is the worst time for me for an over fly because they are like teenagers and nobody is watching the road and they can be so active they drift off.
Then they get more mature and roll less. This is also due to the weather here gets hotter, but I keep flying in mornings and they just seem to really slow down for months. But by Fall or next spring there are always some really good birds in a kit.
Also keeping your birds that roll in the same kit and putting the slower developing ones that fly more in the same kit will really help. I neglected to do this for several years. I read in Graham Dexters book about this and it was somehting he saw over here in the USA from time to time even in well known guys kits. The logic behind this is if you lost your best kit you would still have some good ones in another kit, but the straight flyers will slow down the those that roll more when flying together. Bill C
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PR_rollers
546 posts
Feb 19, 2008
4:59 PM
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Sandy when you say hard ..how long do you fly them for. my birds seen to do good on mix or wheat and milo.so one day i give them both some day not,and i fly them hard every day ,now when i say hard i mean 3 four times a day when the roll comes in i fly them once every other day,but when i fly the one that haven't come in the roll 3 to four times a day i don't fly them for more than 20 minutes. i get an hour on them but in time pieces 20,20,20, and this way they don't go stiff on me ,because i don't fly them long they have only 20 minutes to burn energy. They rest when they tell me they need rest.i bathe them when they tell me they need to bathe.I give them more feed when they need it,mix almost every other day because they need protein for there developing of muscle when they young.its all in paying attention to your birds and knowing your birds inside out..reading them like a book.feeling them out.become the bird..
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Ralph....
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quickspin
366 posts
Feb 19, 2008
5:00 PM
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I fly on pure wheat most of the time or with milo and mix grain 3 times a week.
I fly my young birds every day for around 1 hour. The ones that come into the roll doing 5 feet I start flying them in a seperate kit that will be flown every other day. This is not during BOP season.
Also the feed is important depending on what they are doing you add or lower the %. Flying too stiff you lower the % and give them Milo for 2 days straight with out flying them. The third day give them 50% milo and 50% wheat next day you fly and they will not be stiff. 1 hour before of flying time give them a hang full of cannary see. Take notes on the results and let me know.
That is why is important to have one family or the same famiy of birds flying in the same kit. So they can all come in to the roll at the same time.
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SALAS LOFT
Last Edited by on Feb 19, 2008 5:17 PM
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PR_rollers
547 posts
Feb 19, 2008
5:05 PM
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Bill thats a very good point too.> Also keeping your birds that roll in the same kit and putting the slower developing ones that fly more in the same kit will really help.
thats how you start separating making your teams..very important...
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Ralph....
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Sandy91, SA Region 3
182 posts
Feb 19, 2008
5:07 PM
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Ralph by hard I mean two times a day for just over an hour and mostly on wheat. Thanks aggain this is allready helping me ALOT...
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sippi
55 posts
Feb 19, 2008
5:45 PM
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When you say not during BOP season, we have them year round. I cant fly anything in the morning except the hawk kits. Otherwise I get hit regardless of how many hawk kits I put up. The hawk kits get hit every morning. Just no success. Our hawks hunt hard from daylight until around mid day. Then it it just whether the opportunity arises. It is amazing how many hawks a kit of birds can attract from long distances.
Sippi
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PR_rollers
550 posts
Feb 19, 2008
5:50 PM
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Sandy I'm glad this is helping you alot..this is why we here for to learn from one another.
You right about that Sippi, I watch a hawk come from so many miles with my binoculars.its amazing like you said. especially if the wings are pure white.they spot on that ..
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Ralph....
Last Edited by on Feb 19, 2008 5:53 PM
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Sandy91, SA Region 3
183 posts
Feb 19, 2008
6:08 PM
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I have rollers for some time now and I always enjoy them, but started to compete only in 2005 so getting them ready for competition and playing around with food and stuff is fearly new for me. Like you guys said it takes time to see the affect a change have on a kit and time is going so fast you can only doing so much in a season but with your help and thanks to this wonderful site it saves me and other people ALOT of time. Thank you...
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