Ally Mac
19 posts
Jan 06, 2005
1:26 PM
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5 days ago I noticed a wee hen was carrying one wing below her tail, it touches the ground. She has not rolled down but may have hurt it in the loft. I put her in her own cage straight away, the wing is still limp but she does stretch it ok, though it stows in the droopy position.
Is it possible she may have broken something that will not heal? i let her out in the loft and she flew (a little reluctantly). She is back in the cage on her own. There is no sign of improvement in the 5 days since i noticed it.
All advice appreciated.
Al.
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Fireball
8 posts
Jan 06, 2005
9:46 PM
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Ally...run your thumb and forefinger out to the first joint of her limp wing. Is the joint swollen? If so there is a good possibility of parathyphoid. Maybe no, but perhaps. Keep her isolated. She will droop the wing with very little if any 'rebound' of the wing with parathyphoid. I have had them go through the diease and heal, but never to fly well again. Unless she is a great great breeder and it is determined she has this diease, she should probably be destroyed. All that being said...she may just have injured it in the cold fighting for a perch..let us hope so..but in the pigeon hobby you must also be very aware of the 'bumps in the road' of raising pigeons. The best with your 'wee hen'.
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Coach P
6 posts
Jan 07, 2005
6:14 AM
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I have several birds that carry both wings under their tail when standing, is this something I should be worried about or is this a family trait, these birds have not been flown out so I have not seen them in the air…
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Ally Mac
20 posts
Jan 07, 2005
1:16 PM
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Fireball.
Thanks for that.
I got home tonight and checked the wing, the joint does seem swollen. I also looked up Para.... on the net, apparantly it can still be carried by the bird even if it does recover.
Should it be put out its misery or is it worth treating, to be honest it is not a great roller but I am fairly short of birds, I was going to use it as a feeder.
Coach, I have another bird that has always carried its wings low, I noted in Graham Dexter's "Winners With Spinners" there were many birds the same (as is the Oriental Roller). I assumed this was ok, maybe someone could confirm this for us both??
Thanks again Fireball.
All advice appreciated.
Al.
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dmitch
10 posts
Jan 07, 2005
3:22 PM
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Ally Mac Droop wings is a genetic trait that both parent carries.The parents maynot show the droop wings but have it in ther background.How ever that does not mean the birds is not of good quality Dmitch
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J_Star
130 posts
Jan 08, 2005
6:05 PM
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Ally,
I have a pair which is a brother and a sister that are very good rollers. The cock has a droopy wings while the hen does not. Some breeders do not like to breed the droopy wing birds. I for one don't care as long as the bird has the goods in the air that I am looking for.
Jay
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Ally Mac
21 posts
Jan 10, 2005
4:47 AM
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Jstar.
Thanks again, I thought that was the case with the birds that carry their wings lowe.
Regarding paratyphoid, I got some baytrill from the vet, a water treatment for 10 days, I am treating all the birds to be sure and have sterilised the loft again.
What do you think about breeding from the sick bird (assuming it recovers fully)? As I said it was never a great roller but as I am short of birds I was going to use it as a feeder.
Regards.
Al.
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J_Star
131 posts
Jan 10, 2005
11:05 AM
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Ally,
Do you have mice in and around your loft? If not, then look at other issue other than paratyphoid. That is a nasty desease and caused by mice. Antibiotic will help greatly.
Jay
Last Edited by J_Star on Jan 10, 2005 11:06 AM
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Ally Mac
22 posts
Jan 10, 2005
2:50 PM
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Jstar
I think I do have mice in my shed next door (attached), I havent been able to catch the wee Bxxxxxxxxs yet. Will I keep getting problems till I get rid of them? My vents all have chicken wire over them which will keep larger things out but not mice.
I could probably make my breeding loft safe but the main loft would be more of a problem.
What would you suggest?
Thanks Al.
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J_Star
134 posts
Jan 11, 2005
5:02 AM
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Ally,
Absolotely mice is a problem. First thing you need to do is to get red of the mice completely first b4 anything. Pigeons eat mice dropings thinking it is seed. They also urinate on anything and everything, including waterers. Pigeon will get infected and will die on you one after the other. Put traps around your loft from the out side. Don't leave food on the loft overnight. Put bug screen (metal) covering the vents. Caulk (use Silicone II) the craks in the loft wood and corners. Make sure that the mice CAN NOT get in the loft ever. Keep your feed in locked containers (rodent proof) always.
Lofts that have mice or rats, have dead birds walking around,period. I can not stress enough telling you to keep those creatures out of your loft. If you seen mice around the loft, means that they are in the loft also. Keep them out and you will not have serious health problems with your birds.
Antibiotics is fine for now, but sooner or later your birds will develop resistance to the antibiotics and will not help them any more and will not be able to handle any kind of sickness that can be handled with antibiotics. You need to purchase another kind of antibiotics to alternate. You only use the antibiotics once for 7-10 days, then next time use the other kind. That way bacteria will not become resistant to the medications. After done using the antibiotics, mix a teaspoon full of plain yogurt with one gallon of water to populate the good bacteria in the pigen's gut. Use it for 2-3 days afterword. Good Luck.
Jay
Last Edited by J_Star on Jan 11, 2005 5:51 AM
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Ally Mac
23 posts
Jan 11, 2005
3:12 PM
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Jay.
Looks like I know what I am doing this weekend. I have been thinking today and will be able to make both lofts vermin proof.
Thanks again.
Al.
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Mount Airy Lofts
12 posts
Jan 11, 2005
3:48 PM
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Hi Alley,
I think you are looking at the sign of PMV or Parathyphoid. I know this guy that has had PMV go thru his loft and alot of his birds would show this one droopy wing and fly with a limp type motion on that wing. Sad to say he lost alot of his OLDER breeders and some fliers to this outbreak.
If I recall correctly, everyones bird has some sort of disease in them... only when our birds are stressed do we see the systoms.
Keeping your loft mice free is key in preventing this problem. Staying away from Pigeon shows also aids in bringing in new diseases to your pigeons.
Isolate that pigeon and I would recommend you treating the rest of your stock. Once you see it in one of your birds, don't wait until you lose your irreplacable stock birds before you do something.
Good luck!
Thor
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Mother lode lofts
351 posts
Jan 11, 2005
5:47 PM
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Now wait a minute LOL Ally hows the birds wing now ? first you need to determine if the wing is just hurt or not.
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Ally Mac
24 posts
Jan 12, 2005
12:28 AM
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Scott.
The wing is still limp, the first joint on the frd end is quite swollen, there is no sign of improvement since she started the antibiotics (so far), that was last Saturday. Her droppings dont appear watery but she does seem to have lost some weight.
I have to say, when I spoke to the vet she was unaware of paratyphoid but got her big book out and told me to give the antibiotic and sterilise the loft, which was done again on Saturday.
Look forward to hearing your thoughts, (and everyone elses).
Ta.
Al.
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Mother lode lofts
354 posts
Jan 12, 2005
7:59 AM
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What about the rest of the birds ?
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Ally Mac
25 posts
Jan 12, 2005
12:59 PM
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Scott.
I have been keeping a careful eye on them and so far they all seem perfectly healthy, I separated the suspect bird as soon as I noticed the problem. I have to say though, when I separated it I thought I was putting it in a cage to let it rest and give it a chance for its wing to heal following an accident. ?????????
Al.
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Mother lode lofts
356 posts
Jan 12, 2005
4:02 PM
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Are the dropping firm ? what color are they ? What anibiotics did the vet give you ? Next time you feed the bird just drop a little grain on the floor of the cage and see if the bird has a hard time picking the grains up. In other words missing the grain as it is pecking.
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Ally Mac
26 posts
Jan 15, 2005
11:41 AM
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The droppings seem fairly firm, I would have said ok, they are green in colour.
The vet gave me Baytril 2.5% oral solution, Antimicrobial. A ready to use, clear, aqueos, oral solution containing 25 mg/ml enrofloxacin and 14 mg/ml benzyl alcohol (Ph. Eur) as preservative.
I did what you suggested with the feed, she seemed to be picking it up ok, no missing. She has had food in front of her at all times since last week and seems to be eating ok.
The wing is still on the floor but the swelling appears to have gone down, almost back to normal but not quite. She has been on the medication for a full week now, 3 days left to go.
Many thanks for your time.
Al.
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Mother lode lofts
364 posts
Jan 15, 2005
1:31 PM
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Ally if they are solid but Green it could just be due to stress. But I'm not even going to try and speculate what the problem is. I kinda suspect injury but then the bird loosing wt. is suspicious. The Baytril more than likely will do the trick if it isn't an injury and a good pre-caution. I would tape the wing to the tail though. In other words put the wing in a natual position, just tape the flights of the closed wing to the tail where it looks normal if the bird was just standing. This will make the wing immobile also and is how I deal with a bird with a broken wing. Now you should have all the bases covered as much as possible.
Scott
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Ally Mac
28 posts
Jan 15, 2005
2:40 PM
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Scott.
Thanks for your help, I shall take care of her in the morning. I am assuming because the only symptom is the drooping wing you think it may not be paratyphoid?
Thanks again.
Al.
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Mother lode lofts
366 posts
Jan 16, 2005
1:12 PM
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That is kind of what I am thinking Ally. But finish up with the Baytril. It may be kind of late now but look for bruising. Is there any strength in the wing or is it just limp ?
Last Edited by Mother lode lofts on Jan 16, 2005 1:16 PM
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Ally Mac
29 posts
Jan 17, 2005
4:54 AM
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Scott.
The Baytrill course finishes Tommorrow, there is still no improvement other than the swelling has more or less gone.I taped up the wing as you suggested, without which it still sits on the floor. I have to say, after 10 days I am starting to wonder if it will ever be right.
Al.
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Mother lode lofts
368 posts
Jan 17, 2005
7:44 AM
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Ally it is soundng more like a broke wing. Keep it taped up for a month and it should be fine.
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Ally Mac
30 posts
Jan 19, 2005
4:12 PM
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Scott.
Thanks again for your time. I shall tape it up and keep an eye on her for the next wee while.
Al.
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jnyce
157 posts
Jul 20, 2008
4:12 PM
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im having the same prob but my hens seems to be missing the grain when trying to eat and i also witniessed her just spinning in circles like she was chancing here tail what is baytrill and were can i got some i do have her seprated from others i tried 4 and 1 didnt work
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jerry t
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CSRA
1570 posts
Jul 20, 2008
4:16 PM
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Baytril it should help
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jnyce
158 posts
Jul 20, 2008
4:19 PM
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were can i get it
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jerry t
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jnyce
159 posts
Jul 21, 2008
1:22 PM
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were can i get baytril----------
jerry t
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Electric-man
1860 posts
Jul 21, 2008
3:02 PM
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I get mine at a vets office. Some say its been discontinued and won't be available anymore! Good luck!
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Val
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Velo99
1858 posts
Jul 22, 2008
5:13 AM
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Val,
They advertise it on the radio here. Baytril 100.
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JMUrbon
590 posts
Jul 22, 2008
3:32 PM
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Missing the feed when trying to pick it up and delerium is a tall tell sign for paratyphoid. Other than having a carrier in your loft you more than likely have a mice/rat issue. They are both VERY bad on pigeons. Get them taken care of or they will take care of you.
Allymac, I am going to go with Jay on this one also due to the swollen joint and the weight loss. I doubt injury is the case here. Could be wrong but doubt it. Unless the bird is valuable to you I would not waste any time on it either. It will more than likely be a carrier that you do not want or need anywhere near you breeding loft. Joe
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jnyce
171 posts
Jul 22, 2008
5:50 PM
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i dont have mice and rats in the loft dont and dont think that mice can get into my feed
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JMUrbon
592 posts
Jul 22, 2008
6:01 PM
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The thing with paratyphoid is that it doesnt hit every bird. It hits the birds that have a weekened immune system from iether the stress of breeding, Heat, lack of feed. Young birds are especially susceptable to it until they go through their first moult. At any rate good luck and I truely hope you get it taken care of with minimum losses.
Joe Urbon
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jnyce
173 posts
Jul 22, 2008
6:04 PM
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well dont no what else to do and i dont want to endanger my other birds so she might have to go
jerry t
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