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Alan Bliven
82 posts
Jan 30, 2005
2:28 PM
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I have two pairs of Central Asiatic Rollers and know nothing about them and can find no info on them. Does anyone know anything about this rare Roller?
They are interesting, looking like an Oriental with muffs and a lot extra tail feathers.
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Alan
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bluebar
24 posts
Jan 30, 2005
9:52 PM
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As you say they are very very similar to the Oriental Rollers we have here and they are basically a grouse-legged version of them. Everything I've seen about them indicates that their flight pattern is similar.
The OR's that I've flown tend to be fast performers, but not what most Birmingham guys would like because in addition to spinning - and despite what you may have read or heard, some spin very tight and very deep, they also will sometimes twizzle, roll off one wing, dive, and perform in ways that I've never even heard a Birmingham will do.
The thing that amazed me the most about my birds was that they weren't as readily eager to take to the air as my bud's Birminghams. I, accidentally, found that if I put them into a crate and removed them across the yard - as I used to do with my young homers to start crate training them, that they would always get up into the air and fly well. I was told by some of the guys who've flown OR's that this is fairly common and that some of the guys toss their birds to get them up and working.
The Central Asiatic Rollers (CAS) may well be the same. If their personality is anything even close to what my OR's were, I'd be careful. There is every reason to believe that you will wind up loving them even more than your Birminghams because they will react to you in the loft much more.
(I just went and read your profile listing, so I guess I'm preaching to the choir here. I suggest that you might also want to contact Brad Child, who I believe also had some CAS as well as the Persian Rollers, and he may have some more info on them. Otherwise, contact me if you want bluecheck@lycos.com and I'll give you Thomas Hellmann's e-mail address - I hate posting others e-mails because of the spambots. Thomas knows a lot of guys in the Ukraine and other places in Central Asia so he might have some more info to impart)
Best
Frank
Last Edited by bluebar on Jan 30, 2005 10:30 PM
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Alan Bliven
83 posts
Jan 30, 2005
11:42 PM
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Hi Frank,
Yes, the CAR's have muffs, some as long as a West of England. They also have 24 or so tail feathers, are built just like the Orientals and carry their wings below the tail.
I also have two families of Flying Orientals. One is a German imported family and is very friendly and tame. They land on me and are very curious when I come in the loft. It's in there genes as I didn't train this behavior in them. I believe they think I am a pigeon too. They coo at me and I had one hen who flirted with me. LOL.
I just love these birds. Both families are loaded with heart, personality, intelligence and are aggressive birds.
The other family I have (Husband family) always spreads their wings to look bigger when strutting their stuff. They are very entertaining. Even if I never flew them, they'd be my bird of choice.
Yes, they do do more than just spin. They also do a deep tail ride, a propeller spin, and are divers that do an open spiral dive, a tight spiral dive and a straight loft dive like a Donek when called to the loft.
You'd find their genetics interesting. The colors of the Husband birds are all barred and called Tuff, Buff, Cinnamon, Silver and Blue. The Cinnamon is barred but it don't show. I should get you some pics of the Tuff and Buff and see what you think. They tell me there is no classification for them. The Tuff looks like a T pattern, lavender color with blue and bronze colored bars with a bronze neck and bronze streaks in the flights.
I guess Dale Husband started these about 70 years ago or so ago from a stray cock he found as a little kid. He found the lift it came from and got more. He called it Tuffy because it was a very aggressive bird and the name of that color stuck.
I'll email you.
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Alan
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bluebar
28 posts
Feb 02, 2005
10:08 AM
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Alan,
Here's some info I got this morning from Thomas Hellmann
Frank Mosca
Hi Frank,
just re-read my last email to you and have come to notice that I left out one
thing, the paragraph about the Central Asians.
I know that there is something published about the Central Asians in a German
pigeon book from the 1950s, from the photo shown there I'd say that the depicted
bird is a crude form of today's Persian, judging by the stronger head etc.
However, in another book I found a small paragraph of grouse-legged Orientals
also dubbed "Central Asians".
I don't think that they have any particular flying pattern, or better said if
they are grouse-legged Orientals, they should perform all the different styles
an Oriental might do, i.e. rolling, doing the big loop, spinning etc. (Hmm, I
just wonder how many birds in flying Oriental still do exist that have the
capabilities to do all that while airbourne).
Take care,
Thomas
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Alan Bliven
85 posts
Feb 02, 2005
11:19 AM
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Thanks, I appreciate that.
Yes, the Flying Oriental does a lot more than just spin.
I have a keen interest in rare performing breeds that have kept the original flying and performing abilities intact. Sad to say much of those abilities have been lost forever in these breeds because of breeding for the show room.
If you run across any, let me know. Wouldn't it be something special to get a strain of the old time Komorner Tumbler tumbler or something similar that was bred for performance first?
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Alan
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