rollerpigeon
Site Moderator
201 posts
Feb 02, 2005
10:28 PM
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NOTICE
Roller-Pigeon.Com is a website whose mission is for the breeder of Birmingham Rollers and Performance Rollers (regardless of color or pedigree) to share knowledge and experience with the newcomers and those with honest questions about their Rollers.
The DEBATE over colors in rollers, pedigrees and pure bred “Birmingham Rollers” vs “Mongrels” will no longer be allowed in the Birmingham Roller Talk discussion board.
Inquiries of this nature will be directed to the NBRC (National Birmingham Roller Club) for the final word and the topic will be “locked” from further comment.
When posts in general become personal or critical, insulting or in any way divisive, it will be edited or deleted. I will no longer allow a few who have serious disagreements trample on the goodwill intended by this site to the many.
WEBSITES/VENDORS/MERCHANTS:
In addition, the posting of web links will only be allowed when the referred website puts up a link on its site linking it back to Roller-Pigeon.Com. Unless I feel the link adds to the discussion.
Sites that sell pigeons and direct visitors out of this site to their own will be charged an advertising fee or have their link removed. The Classified Section is a more appropriate place to run an advertisement as they are currently run at no charge.
The posting of phone numbers, email addresses or names of individuals not involved in the discussion will be subject to removal at my discretion.
I hope everyone understands that these measures have been taken in an effort to take back my site and make it what I intended it to be, a site for the enjoyment of the Roller.
For those who have called and informed me of the ongoing and detrimental “color debate” that leads nowhere but yet alienates many from the hobby, I say “thanks” for your interest and support!
FLY ON!
Tony Chavarria
Last Edited by rollerpigeon on Feb 04, 2005 7:43 PM
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J_Star
197 posts
Feb 03, 2005
4:44 AM
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Tony,
There was a heated discussion while back about rollers that their eye bleed after rolling, are you going to sensor those kind of topics also. There was also a heated topic about the crested rollers with Mr. Stan, are you going to sensor those kind of topics also. Sooner or later you will end up putting locks at every post there is.
Like you said in an earlier post that if you can't take what other comments in regard to you posting then DO NOT POST at all...This has been my opinion also, I would like hear others what they think...Thanks.
Jay
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rollerpigeon
Site Moderator
203 posts
Feb 03, 2005
5:15 AM
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Jay, it will depend on the "tone" it takes. People can disagree and do so in a respectful manner and in all probability have posts remain intact.
This is really not that hard if someone wants to participate and make a point.
Please don't confuse disagreement with invective and name calling, they are not the same thing. This site is more fun without all that.
If someone has a "controversial" position on a topic and wants to make a point without being pummled for it, put it in an article and it can find its way to the home page and then finally the article archive section.
Good question and thanks for asking it. FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
Last Edited by rollerpigeon on Feb 03, 2005 5:16 AM
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highroller
91 posts
Feb 03, 2005
6:58 AM
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Good post Tony,
We all need to remember that this IS YOUR SITE and you make the rules. If we want something else we can set up our own site. Thanks for keeping it friendly to all users.
Dan
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Cliff
45 posts
Feb 03, 2005
11:45 AM
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Tony, Tough decision, but I think a good call in the long run for all concerned. Thank you for putting an end to it. Regardless of the topic, there is no place for disrespecting each other over any point of view.
If you paid any attention to my posts on this site you may recall that I paid a high price for five pair of supposedly pedigreed birds that produced no spinners out of 100 youngsters last year. The same guy sent me another pair when I complained, supposedly out of Homer Coderre's clay hen line, a RR hen and a red-check cock, her son. Both are small cobby birds of excellent type. I don't know much about that family, so based on the poor performance of the others he sent, I had planned just to use them as fosters. Now, I see that your ruby red rollers are also the same line. How do you like these birds? Can you characterize their performance as a whole? Do you think its worth a shot to let them raise a few rounds? I realize that these are tough questions to answer and that any one pair of birds may be better or worse than the family as a whole, but I'd appreciaate your input. Thanks! Cliff
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Mother lode lofts
481 posts
Feb 03, 2005
6:36 PM
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I have mixed feelings here , for one I don't like how crappy this topic gets nor do I like making enemies of people that I havn't even met all of whom I actually like from what I know about them with our interactions here and else where. But on the other hand I think that we owe it to the new guys to know what is behind these birds otherwise the breed as we know it is doomed. I went back and was going to delete my "bomb" post, but the fact is there was just to much truth to it and in the end I blame those that are selling these birds to the new guys coming in for the devisiveness and I think that thier sales had a lot to do with how far this episode went . As for those that want to breed and fly such birds it is "absoulutly" none of my business nor anyone elses. I was going to say at first that banning this topic is a good idea, but I have since changed my mind and feel that there was just to good of information that came out on that last round along with the garbage. But as far as this site goes it is Tonys and this probably isnt a bad Idea from his stand point as moderator of this site, and if that is his wish than I for one will respect it. just my opinion here
Last Edited by Mother lode lofts on Feb 03, 2005 11:40 PM
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Steve S.
71 posts
Feb 04, 2005
11:25 AM
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Tony,
I understand this is your site.
I also understand that stiffiling or putting anyone in check as to what they say on a subject is taking our basic freedoms of speach and expression away.
Not tooting my horn but I saw alot of good men give their lives to give you and me along with everyone else that right.
I got 4 purple hearts trying to uphold those values.
I think it is a shame to delete anything that anyone has to say .
Debates get heated but hey its America.
If people don't want to listen to a debate then don't read the posts on these subjects and start another topic that you do want to discuss.
I think you went the wrong direction here but as you say it is your site.
Steve
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Siddiqir
171 posts
Feb 04, 2005
11:54 AM
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I am with steve, this board was already limited and many posts were deleted. Now there will be locks too...
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rollerpigeon
Site Moderator
211 posts
Feb 04, 2005
2:23 PM
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Hello Steve, just so you know, either direction I go is going to rub someone the wrong way. As far as stifling or putting someone in check, let me ask you this, if you invite people into your home and they begin arguing and do NOT respect your request to quite down and to treat each other in a more dignified manner and tone as long as they are in your house, would you let it continue? I wouldn't.
As far as serving in the military, I have not, my father served in the Navy for 20 years, 2 brothers in the Coast Guard for a few years, 1 still serving over 24 as an Army Lieutenant Colonel and served in Gulf War 1, niece who's husband is serving in Najaf, Irag (last I heard) a nephew who is currently on way to Iraq via Kuwait.
I flew my flag proudly on my home (one of only two on my block) BEFORE 9/11/01, I vote in every election I can and am proud and grateful to live in a country that is the greatest in the history of mankind and that we have gentlemen such as you who have risked life and limb to protect the freedoms we all enjoy.
Does all this give someone the right to write inflamatory even if true statements on the walls of your home? Or would this be considered stifling?
When someone asks to be a member of the discussion pages, and I approve thier request, it is to me, just like inviting that person into my home.
And while men such as you have fought to protect freedom of speech and men such as I do our civic duty by voting and being a good citizen to ensure only the most qualified serve as political leaders, it does not give someone the right to say whatever they want, where ever they want and any which way they want (unless your liberal).
We are guaranteed by the 1st Admendment the right of freedom of speech, (but I am of the persuasion it is really meant for political speech) and not the right to be heard.
IF you want to be heard, write a well thought out article stating your position and beliefs for publishing (submit to me and if it carries the respectful tone I desire from visitors to my house, it can be put on the home page and then the article archives for all to read in the years to come).
What has bothered me is the tone many posts seem to take and how it perhaps turns off newbies to this great sport/hobby.
To all those that serve and have served in our armed forces, "Thank You".
FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Mother lode lofts
483 posts
Feb 04, 2005
2:28 PM
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Rauf I have not seen where Tony has "ever" been heavy handed at all nor has he in the past censured anything except for language for the most part. He has allways let topics go the the course and I have allways repected him for that at I think that he does a fantastic job here.
But I am curious to why these topics that had all but died down all the sudden got him fired up. Was it an organized effort by people snivling about the topic ? I don't know.
Last Edited by Mother lode lofts on Feb 04, 2005 2:30 PM
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Mother lode lofts
484 posts
Feb 04, 2005
2:30 PM
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Tony you can just consider us your drunken uncles LOL
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Siddiqir
174 posts
Feb 04, 2005
6:33 PM
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Scott, I 100% agree with you however if the post has improper wording it can simply be deleted as person in not following the posting rules but locking the thread is not good idea as it will let the others "good posters" limit what they want to say.
I think board will become inactive because of few peoples who just simply do not follow the posting rules which Tony has outlined.
Thanks, -Rauf
Last Edited by Siddiqir on Feb 04, 2005 6:37 PM
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rollerpigeon
Site Moderator
212 posts
Feb 04, 2005
7:43 PM
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Hey Rauf, posters get upset even when I edit for foul language. LOL No matter what is said or done, someone will take issue. I will just go one with my own agenda.
Some people just want to argue as no one has taken up my offer to send in an article defending or promoting thier position on color or what is a pure BR and having it posted on the home page and then into the archives for all to view now and in the future years.
Those that want to make this issue about me allowing "this or that" in posts or arguing the color issue ad nauseam are really just spitting into the wind.
No one has yet to argue the merits of my positions, only that they disagree with them. FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
Last Edited by rollerpigeon on Feb 04, 2005 7:44 PM
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rollerpigeon
Site Moderator
213 posts
Feb 04, 2005
8:03 PM
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Hey Uncle Scott, heheheheh, thanks for pointing that out. :)
After all the debate seemed to die down, I was contacted by some heavily experienced breeders and filled in on this long argued debate.
I came to the conclusion that if experienced breeders cannot agree on the issue and the NBRC has not taken a firm position on it, I figured I came to the proverbial "fork in the road" and took it. FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Phantom1
93 posts
Feb 05, 2005
7:35 AM
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Tony, in comparison, what volume of traffic do you get in the Articles and Information/Archive versus the Birmingham Roller Talk? Thanks, Eric
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Steve S.
72 posts
Feb 05, 2005
4:29 PM
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Tony,
I hear what your saying.
I understand your position.
I have to disagree with the point of just being a political freedom.
Thanks for your invite to write an article.
I'll give it a try sometime.
I write a few from time to time for Bob Bergrenn for the NBRC bulitin.
Keep up the good work.
Hehhehhehheh, don't belive Scott I haven't had a drop for 30 years.
I saw your pic and I could never be your uncle I never had any relatives that ugly. hehehehe.
Steve
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RolyPoly
40 posts
Feb 06, 2005
7:17 AM
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I think a couple articles on each side of the issue would be good. I enjoy the articles on your other page. If you don't think they are visited enough, a person might drop a hint to "go read my article" every once in awhile in a post. As to whether the owner has a right to say what goes on on his own site, I say that's right! RolyPoly
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Siddiqir
176 posts
Feb 06, 2005
8:23 AM
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Tony, you may block users (disable their account) who do not follow posting rules or use improper wording. Just another way of doing it. Thanks, -Rauf
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