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BULLFROG
53 posts
Feb 15, 2005
4:35 AM
hello all now that with everybodys help my birds are flying and showing much improvment i want to ask another question. i have three older birds and one young bird that are not kiting.(one t or two in that?) the loder birds were not flown much if at all as youngsters and the young birds is about 3 1/2 months old. i plan on pulling them out of the kit today. the young bird i will try and reintroduse after a bit but the older birds i want to use as breeders which brings me to my real question is kiting a geneticly passed on trait or are these birds just untrained rebels? is it safe to breed from these birds with out risking a whole slew of non kitting young birds? i know and in the future plan on breeding only from the best birds in all ways but as i only have 6 adults well i guess i want to know if it will be worth my time useing them or just wait untill my young birds grow up? that leads me to another question at what age can a roller begin to breed without negitive effects in the long term health? i always held my homers off untill after the young birds season but that was more for the performance testing than anything. thanks guys chris
Mother lode lofts
500 posts
Feb 15, 2005
6:54 AM
Chris absouluty it is a genetic trait, if you breed out of non kitters you will no doubt end up with more of the same!!!!! Were the older birds flown before you got them ? with some families flying unflown older birds can be difficult. Generaly if I refly an older bird say that has been stocked. They have problems until they get back into shape. As for my youngsters from the time they all go airborne for the first time it takes from three to five days for them to form into a kit but I might have a stragler here and there that takes a few more days and generally it's due to they are just behind a tad in age. If I get a rare youngster that doesn't want to kit but I feel has no excuse not to kit they are automaticly culled but I havn't had one of these in a couple of years. Once the roll hits then some will start falling out and going in and out because the roll is freaking them out a bit, but it lasts from a day or two to a week or so. I will also get a bird here and there that is rolling hard but quits kitting completely, These I put up with until my patiance runs out. I think that maybe you need a little patiance, but on the same hand these outbirds will be pulling others out. I would work backwards, pull your non kitters and then add one at a time, if it doesn't kit then pull it back out. and then add another one and evaluate the same way. Some of of your nonkitters will probably kit if the problem birds are pulled, some birds are kinda monkey see monky do. Cris you have some of the best fliers in the country in Utah, have you connected with any ?

Last Edited by Mother lode lofts on Feb 15, 2005 7:16 AM
BULLFROG
54 posts
Feb 15, 2005
2:15 PM
three of the older birds i know either have not been flown or have been in the breeder pen for a year or more. i will pull the older birds and see if the young bird is just following thier lead. as for patince yes i know i need some:) i have the desire to put a W.C. kit in the air and being able to watch them makes the wait worse at least with the homers i can wait for the worst to cull themselves and then just ime the rest and pull heads. i know a few guys in my division but i have not yet met or even know of any top flyers here in utah. who would you suggest as a good person to get to know? i can use any help i can get and would rather get it from the winners. thanks chris


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