ruffsrollers
1 post
Apr 09, 2005
11:36 PM
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I have just gotten back in to rollers, had a hard time finding anyone up here in Washington State that was willing to sell any. I raise and fly homers and was wondering if I could use them to hatch and raise rollers for me. I had heard that you could build up your kit quicker doing it this way. If so, at what point would you take the eggs away from the rollers. I bought two pair of rollers, one pair of Bill Shrivers line of birds and one pair of Ivan Hanchetts line of birds,is anyone familiar with either of these lines of birds. Thanks for the input. Jim
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
13 posts
Apr 10, 2005
4:16 AM
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Hi Jim.Welcome to the forum.Yes you can use your homers to foster the rollers.They make good fosters.You have a 2 day window of time to switch the eggs.Mate your rollers & Homers that you are going to use as fosters at the same time.Both should lay eggs within that 2 day time frame. When they have laid their second egg switch to the foster pair.If my roller pair lays the second egg before the foster pair I mark the eggs and put the roller eggs under them.When the foster lays her second egg I throw the one not marked away.Works the same the other way around.I always let my rollers raise the fourth round so they don,t forget how to raise their young and it keeps them happy.Be sure to keep good records of dates or you will have fosters leaving the nest before they hatch.Hope this helps some.David
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Alohazona
1 post
Apr 10, 2005
12:32 PM
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Aloha Jim,talk about the pot of GOLD at the end of the rainbow,Ivan is one of best roller men you'll ever want to meet,and you have birds from him,WOW!!!Ivans a flyer and so is his wife,I had the pleasure of meeting them last year,when they stayed at a B&B,down the road from me here in Kailua[Hawaii],a wealth of information.
Jim,as I remember,the Schreiber line,Ivan has is up close to the Famous" WHITE HEAT"a champion of champions roller pigeon.I had"White heat line"pigeons back in Arizona,they ball up and do 20 to 80 ft,a blurr.Ivan,I believe has Paul Bradfords line.A friend Tom Hatcher called me about a month ago,I spoke of Ivans visit,he laughed and mentioned Ivans"SMOKIN BOB"a champion Tom bred.
Jim,two pair is all you need,from a rollerman like Ivan,breed best to best,in 2or 3 years you will have a Smokin kit/kits of roller pigeons.
Jim,I have racing homers,they will work for you,but dont under estimte their intelligence,in time if they catch you switching[lol],they will abandon the eggs,the visual size is a obvious indicator,fancy pigeons work wonders or roller pairs that you dont fly.Hope this helps.ALOHA,Todd
Last Edited by Alohazona on Apr 10, 2005 12:35 PM
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ruffsrollers
2 posts
Apr 10, 2005
2:25 PM
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Thank You David for the info on keeping records, I hadn`t thought it would make a difference, guess I was very wrong.I wonder what would happen if the rollers had been on the eggs six days when the homer had just laid her 2nd egg and the switch was made. I made this error so hopefully it works out.Also Thank You Todd for the feedback, I got the two pairs of birds from Rodney Lam a fellow Hawaiian who has been raising and flying for over 20 years.I will breed best to best as you said. The little blue-grizzle hen is a descendant from the white heat line so it made me happy to hear that the lines of birds I`m starting with aren`t mongrels. Both pairs of birds came from his "A" team kit and were out of his 2004 first round of breeding.He breeds in individual breeding cages so he can assure himself of definite parentage. I`m going to have to build or buy some individual cages too, so I can do the same thing.From reading this forum I have come up with a lot of great information and have seen where I have gone wrong in the past.Thank you both again. Jim
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
15 posts
Apr 11, 2005
2:57 AM
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Jim.Welcome to the world of never ending mistakes.LOL.No matter how long we play with rollers we will make mistakes.Thats what keeps the hobby interesting.
I use rollers as fosters.That way if the timing isn,t right I just go ahead and fly their young out.After doing it awhile you will be able to switch babies to fosters as well as eggs.Again timing is very important.I have some fosters that will raise anything I give them.Even when they are feathering out.These kind are worth their weight in Gold.Keep in touch.Holler anytime you need help.I don,t know much but will always try to help.
The pair you switched eggs with they should be able to raise them.They will be able to produce the pigeon milk by the time they hatch.
Another little tidbit;Mate 2 hens together.Keep them just for raising orphans or weak babies.Two hens mated together can produce pigeon milk anytime.David
Last Edited by Bluesman on Apr 11, 2005 3:27 AM
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fhtfire
118 posts
Apr 11, 2005
7:39 PM
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Just a little more info...A homer can raise three rollers with ease. You could even spit a pair of eggs and give each homer pair and extra egg. All you have to do is mark the extra egg on the tip with a sharpie pen. Then when the young hatch. I will put a dot with a sharpie on the back of the extra roller baby.
As for the six day thing ...man you are going to cut it close > I did the same thing and the foster parents did not have the milk. Both babies died.
Welcome
rock and ROLL
Paul
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
16 posts
Apr 11, 2005
8:58 PM
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Paul I agree.That is threading the needle pretty close on that switch.Some fosters can do it tho.That was a good point on having a homer raise 3 eggs.I have a couple pair of rollers that can raise 3 without any problems.Like the tip of marking the baby on the back.I use a piece of bread wrapper on the leg but I think I like your way better.My fingers are going stiff on me and I have problems holding the little critters and try to wrap the tie on.Do you have any special markings you do to the young or just a dot? David
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fhtfire
119 posts
Apr 12, 2005
11:24 AM
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David,
I just put a dot on there back...or maybe two dots. The sharpie does not hurt them and it will not come off. Then when the feathers come out I will write down which color bird it is. Then once the little buger is banded...I know what is what. There has been a time when I three different singles under one foster pair. So I marked one with three dots in the form of a triangle and the other with 2 dots. It seems to work pretty damn good.
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rollerpigeon
Site Moderator
266 posts
Apr 16, 2005
1:39 PM
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Hey guys, I spoke with Jim on the phone and he is a nice guy. He really likes all the response you provided and is really focusing in on the roller pigeon. Thanks for helping him out with his questions and concerns. FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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