str8nfst
1 post
May 19, 2005
1:12 PM
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Is there anything wrong with flying a young kit twice a day seven days a week?
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spinnerpigeon
1 post
May 19, 2005
1:39 PM
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Hi,
I dont think flying them twice a day would hurt them. Just keep an eye on their weight. If they start to get skinny I would hold back and fly them once a day.If that happens just feed them up to put the weight back on. You dont want them too skinny, especially if they are young birds still developing. Just my two cents.
Caleb
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highroller
9 posts
May 19, 2005
1:48 PM
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It's good to work them hard like that as long as they are fed up well like Caleb said. Once they come into the roll you will want to cut back to once a day flying.
Dan
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fhtfire
125 posts
May 19, 2005
2:03 PM
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I fly my young birds twice a day. I feed them twice a day too. So they are fed good but just enough that they will still trap. Every 5 days or so i give them a rest..it does not hurt. They come out all happy to fly again. Like David said. When they come into the roll I will fly them every other day. When they get real into the roll and a little older like over 6 months..I will play with the food more and fly them every three days...or mix them in with an older kit..to get them to learn how to work hard. When I say come into the roll....I do not mean a 15ft roll 3 times in 20 minutes and then back to flips. When i say come into the roll...I mean...they are working hard...rolling like an old bird..but not quite as frequent or consistant...but for sure working hard. I hope this helps
rock and roll
Paul
Last Edited by fhtfire on May 19, 2005 2:03 PM
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
1 post
May 19, 2005
4:25 PM
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The only thing you have to be cautious about when flying multiple times per day consecutively is to make sure they don't get too strong. For some families that require additional strength to handle loads of roll, this is okay. But for others that are traditionally strong, high flying families, building them up too strong in the juvenile stage can lead to some very hard to manage birds down the road.
BMC
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
200 posts
May 19, 2005
6:04 PM
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Brian.Very good point.Lesson I learned after it was to late.LOL.I guess its never to late to learn.Fellow tends not to forget a lesson well learned.
My family I have found that it is best to just fly once a day and keep to the same feeding amount untill after the first moult.I just let them do their thing(unless its bad) untill then and thats when I get serious with them.
Brian I think it was you that told me to flag them back up untill i got them to flying longer.It really worked good.Seldom do they come down under 30 minutes.Sometimes they even go 45 minutes.Those litte boogers can sure mess with your mind can,t they.LOL.Thanks for the tip. David
P.S. Good to have you back.I value your intelligence.I know you have been busy.
Last Edited by Bluesman on May 19, 2005 6:14 PM
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Ballrollers
7 posts
May 23, 2005
6:54 PM
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Hey Brian and Dave, Good to see you back, Brian. I have learned much from you. Your posts speak to exactly what I have been wrestling with in my mind. Dave, are you speaking of your Turner birds??? (I know you have other families, too.) Since these birds are supposed to be hot, I have been keeping them fed well, but trapping, with milo, wheat and peas. Jan-Feb hatches are frequent,less than 10 ft. so far...flying the time...kitting very well..no outbirds....cut back the volume, protein or both???? Stay the course??? (They also are into this left wing tree- circling thing on some days) Cliff
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motherlodelofts
9 posts
May 23, 2005
10:03 PM
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Cliff my family is "not" a hot family, they gey a light mix until they come into the roll and maturaty, I never screw with my youngbirds, It is a building stage for them, youngbirds should roll no matter what you feed them. And yes they will screw around such as going up only to come down like a kit of Donkets LOL and then hit grnd level and swoop around a couple of trees and then head back up , as they mature they straighten out with more even keel flying.
They are like kids playing, and they need to be fed the same to build feather muscle and bone , all of which a hard rolling mature bird needs !!!!
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
213 posts
May 24, 2005
4:12 AM
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Cliff.Yes I always talk about the Turner family.All the other families I work with are just side projects.I have found none to compare to Turner's overall in what I like.
However I am working with a family of rollers that is showing some real promise and just may equal Turner's.Still have a lot of flying to do yet but I really like what I am seeing in the air and on the ground.LOL.
Don,t want to start anything about color but they are all hard color.LOL.David
P.S.Scott.Your last post pretty much says it all.
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Ballrollers
16 posts
Jun 01, 2005
9:37 AM
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So at what point do you cut back their flying time to every other day? My two kits are flying the time, trapping well, no out-flyers, lots of activity, one bird spinning well spinning 20 ft. once or twice a minute. These are Feb and March hatches. Or should I just stay the course and let them develope. Cliff
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fhtfire
137 posts
Jun 01, 2005
10:24 AM
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On the flying day schedule..... I do not change my fly time to two days until they really start hitting the roll consistantly. I always hope and pray that 3-5 birds do it at about the same time...so that I can fly them together every other day. SO here is what I do...actually what I just did.. I had 6 birds hit the roll at about the same time....after they were rolling good for about a week...I moved them to the every other day kit box. I just keep pulling birds from the young bird team that come into the roll and moving them to the every other day team...and I keep adding birds to the young bird team. As the every other day birds really start working hard and showing some heart...I will move them in with the older birds. Sooner or later..your young bird team kit box..becomes the every other day kit box...and your every other day becomes your B-team and your rocker and rollers...become your A-team.
Rock and ROLL
Paul
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Ballrollers
17 posts
Jun 02, 2005
10:06 AM
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Excellent Paul! That gives me a nice system to use in progressing the birds in the kits. Thanks for responding. Cliff
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
229 posts
Jun 03, 2005
4:09 AM
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Paul.I like your way you are doing your young kits.Pretty much the same as me.LOL.
Do you have a problem to get the rollers that you pick from one kit box accepting the new kit box?
I can get by switching the ones that are beside each other but the ones that are not they keep going back to the box they were raised in. David
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fhtfire
140 posts
Jun 03, 2005
8:24 AM
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Dave,
I have two kit boxes facing North and one is facing East. I really have no trouble switching the birds around on the two faing North...I just close up the box that I do not want them going into...so they can't see in...then they just follow the other birds into the new box. I make sure they see me put the food in the box too. The main thing is that I get them real...real hungry on the first day of box switching...so they will usually just follow the other birds in. The box facing East (A team)...it is a little tougher...sometimes they will not trap for hours....but I have learned to keep them real real hungry...and they usually follow the other birds in.
One thing that I made sure to do...is have my kit boxes all built the same...they all look the same...every one...except one is a little wider then the other...but they look identical...trap location, door location...color...so they basically learn...that what ever trap is open...is the trap they enter.
rock and ROLL
Paul
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Velo99
5 posts
Jun 03, 2005
1:02 PM
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My boxes are about 15 feet apart. When I change boxes I always shove them thru the trap a few times then leave them in for a couple of days. I kinda retrain them to the new box. Usually when the older birds go in the young ones follow. They all follow the seed.
mtc
v99
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