George Ruiz
106 posts
Apr 22, 2006
6:35 PM
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Hello everyone
I went to Brian McComicks house today and saw his birds drill a 300 something score today for the World Cup prelims.
The birds were awesome he had some huge breaks, birds flew at a good height and slow and spun with some lightning velocity and rolled deep.
Thanks Brian for the awesome show and good luck with your score I hope it gets you in to the big dance.
George
Last Edited by George Ruiz on Apr 22, 2006 6:39 PM
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fhtfire
426 posts
Apr 22, 2006
8:14 PM
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Good score Brian!!! Hope you make it!!
rock and ROLL
Paul
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Velo99
385 posts
Apr 23, 2006
4:25 AM
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Nice score Brian!!
v99
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birdman
156 posts
Apr 23, 2006
3:06 PM
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Way to go Brian!
Russ
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tapp
84 posts
Apr 23, 2006
6:25 PM
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Nice job Brian!!!!!----------
Tapp
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
742 posts
Apr 23, 2006
6:50 PM
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Congrats Brian. Good score. David
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
487 posts
Apr 23, 2006
7:08 PM
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Glad you enjoyed the show George. You are welcome over any time as you well know.
I'm fortunate at the moment to be sitting in second after Jerry knocked me out of first today with a nice kit. Two more days and still some expected good kits to go. I'm sure my number will tumble down the ranks, but they really did as well as I expected them to and I couldn't ask any more.
Brian.
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C.J.
130 posts
Apr 24, 2006
4:24 AM
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Congrats Brian. Looks like all of your hard work is paying off.
C.J.
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J_Star
417 posts
Apr 24, 2006
4:42 AM
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Same here Brian. The weather might not hold up for the others and hopefuly you make it for the finals.
Jay
Last Edited by J_Star on Apr 24, 2006 8:28 AM
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Ballrollers
333 posts
Apr 24, 2006
7:51 AM
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Nice work Brian. Sounds like you had them prepped right! YITS, Cliff
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Shaun
356 posts
Apr 24, 2006
10:11 AM
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Brian, knowing the predator problem you regularly encounter - not to mention the burden of the occasional flyaway to distract you from the main event - as we English say: Well done, mate.
Shaun
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
492 posts
Apr 25, 2006
12:32 PM
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Made it.
Our qualifiers are:
Jerry Higgins
Brian McCormick
Abel Ibarra
Jose Luis Lorenzo.
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knaylor
161 posts
Apr 25, 2006
1:04 PM
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Congrats Brian way to go.
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birdman
158 posts
Apr 25, 2006
2:20 PM
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Congratulations Brian!
Considering your luck leading up to the fly, you must be very happy! How many missing soldiers did you eventually get back?
Good Luck!
Russ
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nicksiders
546 posts
Apr 25, 2006
2:58 PM
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Premium flyers in that bunch
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
493 posts
Apr 25, 2006
3:32 PM
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Thanks, to me the challenge is just qualifying in this tough region. The finals is just icing on the cake.
Russ, I got none back that I lost.
The first overfly two weeks prior to the fly I lost 6 out of 20. The next weekend when they overflew again, I lost 9 out of 22.
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Velo99
391 posts
Apr 25, 2006
4:55 PM
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Dang Brian,
Tough luck bro. It says a lot about your roller prowess to qualify after the misfortune that has beset you.
Good Luck
v99
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George Ruiz
107 posts
Apr 25, 2006
6:51 PM
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Mac I will take you up on that invite to see the main event let me know when it is .
Good Job
george
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
496 posts
Apr 25, 2006
11:52 PM
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George, we will fly the 4th and 5th of May (next week). Are you going to be picking Heine up to judge your region the following day?
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Velo99
392 posts
Apr 26, 2006
4:54 AM
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Guys
I fly Sunday morning. Gonna be interesting. I hope have a good turnout. I have spoken with several flyers in my area including an older gentleman named Bill Mason. Seems Bill has been in the game since`43. He went to Canada and got some Fireballs from Graham. If I understood correctly he still has some of these birds. He knew Monte Neibel as well. I prompted him to talk probably longer than he intended. He is a well spoken gentleman with a wealth of knowledge. I hope he can make it, I certainly would like to speak more with him. He did tell me that as far as he knows no one has qualified for the finals here. He was quite excited at the prospect of seeing Heine, whose reputation precedes him .
Good Luck to all of the other flyers in the finals, once again nice job Brian.
yits
v99
Last Edited by Velo99 on Apr 26, 2006 4:59 AM
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rust never sleeps
55 posts
Apr 26, 2006
7:36 AM
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Congratuiations Brian! just to qualify is a task in it self i'v allways said that all roads go throw the C.P.R.C guys to the finals. Good luck and MAY THE HAMMER OF THOR BE WITH YOUR KIT. Richard
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Alohazona
139 posts
Apr 26, 2006
9:44 AM
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Kenny,
Good luck this Sunday with your fly,I'll be thinkin of ya Bruddah.I took 2nd in the state for our W/C region.I'll try again next year,LOL.Our futurity fly is in May,it's been told to me my 2 entry's are the ones to beat[266/8409 bloodline]....Aloha,Todd
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birdman
159 posts
Apr 26, 2006
10:30 AM
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Todd, are you friends with Walt Rosehill? The reason I ask is that I sent Walt a large group of birds a while back and he mentioned giving someone one of the pairs, and that one pair has produced the best birds in the futurity.
Are you the lucky recipient of some of the birds that I sent to Walt? If so, you got some good ones! Did you get the Clint Hollingsworth cock?
Russ
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
497 posts
Apr 26, 2006
12:15 PM
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Thanks Richard, Kenny.
Good luck to you in your fly Kenny.
Also, Heine pronounces his name like Hi-naa not Hinny or highny. He doesn't like the latter pronunciations at all!
Just thought you should know so you don't rub him the wrong way before you ever let your kit out...lol.
Brian.
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Velo99
395 posts
Apr 26, 2006
5:26 PM
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Brian
I have been briefed several times since the quals when Ron looked at me and said. "You say his name High-nuh,and he is a strict judge." I didn`t need anymore explanations.
Thanks for the heads up though.
YITS
v99
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motherlodelofts
747 posts
Apr 26, 2006
8:08 PM
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Kenny , Brian , he has stayed here twice, he isn't tough at all but he's not a push over either.
Scott
PS I call him Hinny LOL
Last Edited by motherlodelofts on Apr 26, 2006 8:09 PM
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Alohazona
142 posts
Apr 27, 2006
9:32 AM
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Russ,
Yes, Walt, is a buddy of mine and he did give me a pair you had shipped him[03'Hatcher cock and the Lewis hen].I helped Walt get his countertops made at my shop,and he suprised me with the pair a couple months later.The pair throw offsring that have everything I'm looking for in a roller,25 to40 ft,2 to 3 a min.,straight and fast[cool as a cucumber,lol].I'll be at fly with my paycheck for them,lol....Aloha,Todd
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Ballrollers
342 posts
May 01, 2006
1:41 PM
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The Southeast region has completed its preliminaries with Gregg Sale as our judge. Clay Hoyle, the '05 Fall Fly 20-bird Champ won with 1944 points. Joe Bob Stuka, '05 World Cup Champ came in second with 1612.8 points. Clay flys Jaconettes that he has blended with a few other outcrosses from other families, and Joe Bob flies Turner birds that he has blended with a few other outcrosses from other families. In spite of flying different families, it was amazing how similarly the two kits performed. Weather conditions were ideal, cool and calm, and the same for both men, and they both flew late in the evening near sunset. Both kits flew at one height, about 400 ft., very slow in a small figure eight of less than 50 yards. Both kits kitted phenomenally with almost no deep individual performers; they were TEAM performers. The kits regrouped within seconds after a break. Both kits were fast, clean in, clean during the spins, and clean out and quickly back to the kit; none of those kit-scattering boils after a break. Amazingly, they both had the same number of breaks, 53, more than twice a minute. At times they seemed to practically hover. Clay had the deeper birds and the bigger breaks, which tipped the scales in his favor. I saw 5 or 6 breaks from a fast fly in the straight part of the figure eight pattern without setting up; something I had never seen before. I also saw them break, hover, rotate 45 degrees horizontally with little forward flying, and break again, which was also new to me. I was particularly impressed with the consistency of the birds within the kits. None stood out; they all seeemed to perform very similarly. It was truly impressive. These guys will be hard to beat if their luck holds out with the predators and the weather. YITS, Cliff
Last Edited by Ballrollers on May 01, 2006 1:46 PM
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Mount Airy Lofts
205 posts
May 01, 2006
4:04 PM
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Todd,
So you like them Hatcher's stuff ey? There is a fellow here who flies some Continetials that are suppose to be some very good stuff. Aren't the Hatcher stuff full of feather feet?
I like them muffs but it is crazy how thick those feathers are on the few Continetials I have seen here.
Thor
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motherlodelofts
748 posts
May 01, 2006
8:40 PM
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I saw some in the North west a few years ago when I judged that region that you could see the real potential in.
I thought the guy would be up and comeing but never heard of him again.
Scott
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Alohazona
145 posts
May 01, 2006
9:05 PM
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Cliff,
Without a doubt the guys in Carolina are putting up some of the most awesome kits in the country,if not the world.They are also doing it with combined familys.Being a new competition flier myself and wanting to learn more about techniques for flying and managing rollers,as well as how the big numbers are acheived answer me this, with me explaining my experience first.When Dennis Burke was here in Hawaii in 2004 judging our champs kit for theW/C,our members noticed that Dennis did not call several breaks,which normally at the time our judge would most likely would have called and scored,probably another 10 or 15 so breaks.Dennis explained later that even though the birds broke together it was not the quality that he calls and that was just how he saw it.Taking in to consideration judges look at quality different, did the judge see say 70 something breaks on Clays and JOE Bobs kit and only call 53 or was he calling every time there was a simultanious break.Since you were thereI thought I would ask what your feeling was if there were a certain percentage not allowed to be scored.This is not meant to under mine Clays or JoeBobs Kits,but the scores are very high and am just wondering if the quality breaks are what was scored and not the majority.Anyway it must have been awesome to watch....Aloha,Todd
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motherlodelofts
749 posts
May 01, 2006
10:30 PM
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Todd , Dennis was a good qaulity judge , if they weren't doing it right he wouldn't score them and he worked hard at seperating the Wheat from the chaff out of the breaks.
This finals judge will give you a much more realistic view of the scores and he isn't tight but nor is he loose, he is more down the middle of the road.
No doubt those two are good rollermen !!
Scott
Last Edited by motherlodelofts on May 02, 2006 7:12 AM
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Ballrollers
343 posts
May 02, 2006
8:14 AM
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Todd, I think the judge was in the middle. He was not the kind who wore a badge of being "tight" by refusing to count scoreable spins, yet there were many guys who commented that certain breaks should have been scored larger. Both Clay and Joe Bob had 53 breaks. That was no exaggeration. Usually the entire kit broke, but one or two went early, a couple went late and a bird or two might "boil" down with the break. So it was the judge's discretion as to how many spins were quality and how many were simultaneous. The majority were 1/4 turns, of course, 33 for both. Joe Bob had 17 half turns, Clay had 14. Joe had two 3/4 turns, Clay had 6. Most men felt Clay had a couple full turns, but the judge said, "no", because of quality. The birds performed very consistently, Todd, in both kits, as I said, especially Joe Bob's. That is what impressed me most. There were not "just a few" with excellent quality, but nearly every bird was a clean spinner. They were not deep. Everything was under 30 feet for Clay and under 20 feet for Joe.
Like Scott said, you cannot compare scores between regions in the regional flys; only within the region because of different judges. It will be interesting to see how Heine scores them, if the weather is the same. That cool front made a big difference. Give them 90 degrees with humidity and you've got a different story. You know how I feel. It's an impossible task for one guy to judge quality and depth when that many birds are breaking at once. And there is too much room for variability based on the judge,s discretion. The 11-bird is the better measure of quality, in my book, and for most flyers in my region, for that reason. Hope that helps.
YITS, Cliff
Last Edited by Ballrollers on May 02, 2006 8:21 AM
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Alohazona
146 posts
May 02, 2006
9:39 AM
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Thor,
I have some real good spinners that have that West of england look to them.My first attraction to them,was the depth of spin and the blurr velocity.So far,in my opinion from what I have been able to see,they hold up the best in the deep spin.I have been working with them for 4 years and worked several sides of the family honing in on what will give a better result for competition.The trouble with the Continentals,although the type is excellent,it is all over the place and it takes time to select through body styles and the early/late development issues.After flying out for a year and a half,I am stocking 5 cocks that will be my new line of continentals,they will be on my BEST continental hens and one red mottle hen that is up close to [WHITE HEAT].I am hoping by this time next year I can have a team selected for the competitions that will represent well.I am currently working with Dave Hendersons line and have been on and off for 3 years.Dave is sending me birds that will hopefully give me more depth,as the teamwork is engrained.I have also just started to breed from Ruby rollers,that are looking real nice[a lavender hen and a mealy bar cock],they were flown out over a year and a half,and one more pair of Ruby's....Aloha,Todd
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motherlodelofts
750 posts
May 02, 2006
6:06 PM
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Cliff I think that you will learn the difference between fantasy and reality during the finals.
What I just wrote is no relection on JoeBob or Clay and they allready know how I feel about that type of judging , all it does is screw up new flyers (read my P.S.)
There is a lot of this type of judging going on right now and I have a real fear that what Pensom preached bout competition is coming full circle.
And no I don't buy your 11 bird fly speal , these same judges will score that the same also.
If you can't count the qaulity in 20 you won't be able to in a jamin 11 bird kit either.
I honestly think that a kit of competition tumblers would fare very well with these judges.
Scott
PS You say "excellent" qaulity , JoeBob said they looked like shit and was fit to be tied , which generally they will with that kind of activity.
Last Edited by motherlodelofts on May 02, 2006 8:36 PM
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birdman
162 posts
May 02, 2006
7:57 PM
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Brian, do you fly on the 4th or 5th? I'm going to try and arrange my schedule so that I can catch a few kits before going to the office.
Who starts off on the 4th?
Thanks!
Russ
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
507 posts
May 02, 2006
8:06 PM
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Hey Russ. Luis and I are flying on the 4th. We start at Luis house @ 7:45am and then I fly at 9 am. If it is foggy down by the lake at Luis house, then we will come back up and fly mine, then go back down to his.
Abel and Jerry fly on the 5th, starting at Abels a 8 am I believe.
I'd save your gas on coming to see mine...lol. I have no idea what they are going to do. I flew them five days after the regional and they were incredible. Thankfully I had a witness..lol. Then I flew them on Saturday and they didn't even want to fly. They were rubbish and looked like they were exhausted. Flew them Sunday and same thing, only this time I flagged the shit of them and made them fly for 30 minutes, though it was mainly just circling the house. I said to hell with it after that and just locked them up. With this heavy marine layer the last five days, none of my kits have wanted to fly very long at all, nor will elevate. This one will be one hell of a big crap shoot....lol. I'm putting my money on Abel.
Brian.
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knaylor
163 posts
May 02, 2006
8:16 PM
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I would also say that a middle of the road kit would not score a kit 1500 or 1900 points. I have yet to see a high scoring kit in the regionals score half that in the finals. We had this kind of problem in our area. Some newbies would fly in there local club and some guys would score them 300 points plus and tell them what great birds they had. Well they would stock some and continue to fly the same type of birds and continue to score the same at a local level. Well then they tought that they had great birds so they would enter the w/c and the fall fly. There they scored about 20 points with there birds doing the same as allways. All of them got really discouraged and are out of rollers. To me this is the harsh reality of what scoring birds that should not be scored can do to the hobby. I am against easy judges. Just my opinion, kevin
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birdman
163 posts
May 02, 2006
8:56 PM
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Brian, are you talking about Lake Perris? If so, I went by there this morning on the way to San Jacinto and it was very heavy cloud cover with drizzle. Really crappy!
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Ballrollers
344 posts
May 03, 2006
7:30 AM
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Scott,
Joe Bob always says his birds look like shit. They never seem to quite perform up to his expectations. If you had been there you would have seen his excitement as he was being congratulated. He was frustrated by the fact that they had cut their depth in half, not by their quality.
YITS, Cliff
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motherlodelofts
751 posts
May 03, 2006
8:32 AM
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Cliff anytime that the kit is over stimulated you get that crap , that is the last thing I want my birds doing.
Well I guess it is better than flying on one wing stiff and too strong and I have had that also.
A few years ago I had an awsome team , it was the type of team that you wanted to go into any major fly with.
The National finals rolled around and we had a known very loose judge judging that year , so I go and do a couple of tricks that stimulate the team which is a no no with a good solid hardworking team.
They come out and start doing that stuff , rolling thier asses off but trying to hold back due to so much roll and they allways look like crap when they have that kind of activity (any kit !!).
Qaulity was shit as it usually is when they act like that.
So I'm pissed at myself and not calling time in wanting them to burn it off where they'll go to work as a real team showing what they are made of.
Man just wouldn't quit , finaly a guy walks up and says that the judge wants to know why I don't have them called in and I was missing all these breaks.
I said "look at this shit" he said "yea but he'll score this shit" LOL
So I call em in and the judge goes to town and they keep up that same stuff the entire fly and I ended up pretty high in the top ten of the finals on a team that was screwed up , my money says my team screwed some good honest teams that had thier act together.
Cliff a good team of birds will hold back and not fully commit to the roll with that kind of activity because they are just to full of roll and they are fighting it , that is just the way it is Cliff.
the biggest problem is when that stuff is scored it doesn't teach guys such as yourself the difference and you think it is acceptable.
Scott
Last Edited by motherlodelofts on May 03, 2006 6:56 PM
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nicksiders
558 posts
May 03, 2006
2:21 PM
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Your right about the good teams holding the roll back. It seems they are waiting until everyone has got themselves prepared......they begin to ball up and kinda like turning back in toward themselves and then "flupe" they break!
The "balling up" and turning into themselves I am sure is due to thier decrease in flying speed in the preparation for the break. Because of this it looks like that is what they are doing.......bare with me on this(LOL). And "flupe" is the only word I could think of to describe the action and sound of the break....humer me on this.
It is such a thrilling thing to watch......
But, it does look like they are looking around at each other kinda waiting for that silent command - ROLL, NOW!!!!! and boom!
Sorry guys....I find it difficult to explain in the typed words
Last Edited by nicksiders on May 03, 2006 5:34 PM
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motherlodelofts
752 posts
May 03, 2006
2:35 PM
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Sorry Nick but I refuse to hummer you LOL
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nicksiders
559 posts
May 03, 2006
5:30 PM
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"hummering" is a good thing if you do it right(LOL)
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Ballrollers
345 posts
May 04, 2006
10:22 AM
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Kevin Naylor, Scott, Any idea what has happened with the change in the fly schedule here at the last minute? Everyone is wanting to know what the hell is going on! An announcement about the changes from the WC Committee or Fly Director would have been nice. Once again, our RD knew nothing about the changes. (Please tell me that it wasn't done to acccomaodate someone's personal request!) I have men looking for answers. What's up? YITS, Cliff
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knaylor
164 posts
May 04, 2006
11:50 AM
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Cliff, I was not aware of any last minute changes??? The scedule was moved up a while ago and some dates were changed due to regions dropping out. As far as I know the scedule that is on the w/c site is still good. Kevin
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Ballrollers
347 posts
May 04, 2006
12:50 PM
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Kevin, The Southeast region fly was scheduled on May 27 until a couple days ago. The schedule was changed on the Website to fly us on the 29th, now, no announcement or anything. We also have two qualifiers and we are down for only one. So the question is, is the current listing on the website correct, in spite of the errors, or is the old listing the correct one? I have asked Wendall, but he knows nothing....says the changes just appeared out of nowhere and the whole schedule has been bumped. This is the kind of thing that gets guys heated up. I'll send you some personal e-mails I have gotten. Let me know if you find anything out. We can go private on this if you think that would be better. YITS, Cliff
Last Edited by Ballrollers on May 04, 2006 12:50 PM
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knaylor
165 posts
May 04, 2006
2:33 PM
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Cliff, i didnt see where it says you only get have one qualifier. It says that the judge arrives on the 29th and departs on the 30th. It may save something to do with the ticket purchases. I do not know. i do know that Ron told everyone that the schedule would stay as true as he could make it. Each finalist does not allways get a day to themselves. It all depends on where the finalist live. Also a region might have needed an extra day that flies earlier than you guys and that might have bumped it back a day. This is one of many of the probs that we are encountering by moving the finals up. You can think J.S. for that. Yes you can email me privatley about the w/c if you wish. Kevin
P.S. Cliff Ron has also said that this is his last year as GC. You can step in and take over and then all the problems will be solved.
Last Edited by knaylor on May 04, 2006 4:52 PM
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Velo99
411 posts
May 04, 2006
3:49 PM
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Guys
I like it earlier. In a month I`ll be in the moult pretty hard and the weather will be way hotter. Work thru it a time or two the look at the advantages vs the disadvantages before making a decision. I am sure it was done with the best of intentions.
No one said the system was perfect or ever will be. I went thru a bit of a situation here. Everything was handled in a professional manner and the schedule was not affected. An old man I used to work for told me once,"Don`t be a problem be a problem solver".
yits
v99
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knaylor
166 posts
May 04, 2006
4:50 PM
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Kenny, i wish alot of guys would listen to what you wrote. It would sure help alot!!!! Kevin
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