nicksiders
632 posts
Jun 18, 2006
9:03 PM
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I was on a site that I was asked to either reinterate or refrain from posting by the owner of the site. Apparently I did not qualify my values in a response I made on a thread. This is a first for me In my adult life. This goes to prove things come to those who wait(LOL)..........I was never comfortable in that site, always fearful I was going to be admonished for a strong opinions and statements there of.
There is a time to shake the dust from your feet.
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fhtfire
477 posts
Jun 18, 2006
9:08 PM
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Nick ,
I find that hard to believe...you getting the boot off of a site. What happened...what did you say...I would like to know.
rock and ROLL
Paul
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knaylor
234 posts
Jun 18, 2006
9:57 PM
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Nick, LOL LMAO. Now you are in our wonderful elite group. Again LOL Kevin P.S. I am sure you were just telling the truth??? Like the rest of us have done.
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
749 posts
Jun 19, 2006
3:10 AM
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Paul.Nick was not booted off that site.He didn't tell the whole story. He was asked to elaborate on a one liner post he made or refrain from posting.This happened some time ago and Nick even made some good post after that.If he left it was his choosing.Go look for yourself.David
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nicksiders
633 posts
Jun 19, 2006
8:18 AM
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I did make a post after that. I went back and re-read the post made by the sites owner. There was a PS at the end of his p[ost I did not catch the first time around when he asked me to qualify a previous post of mine or refrain from posting.
I then made a post saying that I was going to follow those instruction and I was going to refrain from posting. This post was removed by whom I do not know, but not by me.
I changed my email address and have not been able to log on since even after recieving two new pass words. I have since emailed the site owner direct asking him if there were a problem.
The thread I was answering to was about the value of kitting. My response was "If they don't kit, they don't perform". I later made a post on the same thread that kitting is where everything begins for a roller and if they do not kit I cull them. That is before I picked up the "PS" by the owner in his post.
I respect Bluesman. He is responding without the whole story. Plus he likes blues music and that endures him forever(LOL).
That is not a warm and fuzzy site as they want you to believe. It is only warm and fuzzy if you address all of your differences in a subscribed manner. They believe in certian uniformity in all thier responses to posts. Aggressiveness has no place in thier site and is treated as something evil. I always feel that I have to be looking over my shoulder there. Here you can be as ignorant as you want to be(LOL). I appreciate being allowed to be ignorant and stupid and still being loved....kinda like being married(LOL)
It is a first and my little feelings are hurt. I have never been asked to shut up in my adult life by another adult. I have been called names like "bastard", and "son of a bitch", and "asshole" and you know all the rest. These never bothered me because sometime I am one or all of those things, but I have never been told to shut up and I find that to be the most disrespectful thing that has ever been said to me. Not because I am in my sixties, but because I am an adult.
The sites owner has found my soft spot and he has embarrassed me and it has been nearly 40 years dsince someone embarrassed me publically. The command of "or refrain from posting" embarrassed and insulted me and he knew it would, hence the "PS".
I will quit now...........I am beginning to embarrass myself(LOL)
Nick Siders
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
750 posts
Jun 19, 2006
9:15 AM
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Nick.I was not aware of you having a problem of logging in.I know you were not removed from the list.You are welcome as much as anyone else and I think you took the post you are refering to as something more than it was intended.Maybe you was looking for something over your shoulder that wasn't there.LOL.
You and I have been around a long time and I think we know each other fairly well.If I am not mistaken you and I have been on Tony's site just about from the beginning of his starting it.
You are right about Agression not being allowed on the other site.We are trying to unite the backyard flyers and if they want to be agressive they can come here.LOL.Tony won't allow much of that here anymore like he did in the beginning.
We are all in this Hobby together and I would hope we can all stay friendly and unite together.There is enough outside forces against us to allow things to come between fellow fanciers.Your Friend in Pa. David
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knaylor
235 posts
Jun 19, 2006
9:59 AM
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David, this site is a site that Tony allowes the REAL TRUTH to be told. That is why this is the best site for true rollers. He doesnt allow post that just agrees with his thoughts. Kevin
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
751 posts
Jun 19, 2006
10:24 AM
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Kevin.Your post dosn't really need a response but would you please tell me the REAL TRUTH as to what a TRUE ROLLER is.I always have an open mind so let me in on something I don't know. David
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
652 posts
Jun 19, 2006
12:18 PM
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Hey David, my take on what Kevin means is that persons are allowed to express disagreement without a heavy hand being placed on them.
For example, "color" rollers are a hot issue. I allow discussion, debate and basically allow voice to peoples disagreement and opinions.
To some, "truth" is that rare colors are not part of the original Birmingham Roller breed and therefore are mongrels.
To others, "truth" is if it rolls with certain velocity as described in Pensom's writings, it is a Birmingham Roller. I allow that debate on this site.
I do not know if a koom-by-ya-rollerpigeon.com site would allow this discussion or not, but my impression is that it would not in the way it occurs here.
This is just my thought on what he meant. But Kevin can tell you better.
David, thanks for your 751 posts on this site, I look forward to the next 751.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
752 posts
Jun 19, 2006
12:24 PM
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Tony.Hope I live long enough to post another 751.LOL. David
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
753 posts
Jun 19, 2006
12:35 PM
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Tony.I would also like to add that most of us that has been on this site for any length of time are Hardheads and we know each other enough that we can jerk each other's chain and keep going.We also have lost some good posters because we jerked each other around and had heated discussions and they left.Most newcomers only want to hear the joys of rollers not a bunch of hardheads that are bored or its to hot or cold to be out with the rollers so we get on the computer and agitate.LOL. David
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knaylor
237 posts
Jun 19, 2006
1:09 PM
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Tony, you are right. Also David knows axactly what I am talking about. Not trying to be a HARDHEAD or trying to start anything. Just speaking the truth. Remember he came here trying to defend another site. Kevin
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
754 posts
Jun 19, 2006
1:37 PM
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Kevin.I never left here.Still the same ole Bluesman.I don't have to defend the other site.Just speaking the truth as you put it.David
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knaylor
238 posts
Jun 19, 2006
1:43 PM
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David, yep you are right.LOL Kevin
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Velo99
494 posts
Jun 19, 2006
1:44 PM
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Hey Dave,
I was a member of the NPRA site for a while. Reminded me too much being stuck in the debate club and being at Gramma`s at the same time.
We won`t hold being on the other site against ya pal. We know you still can get iggy from time to time.
jmho
v99
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
755 posts
Jun 19, 2006
2:18 PM
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Kenny. The NPRA is not suited for everybody.The NBRC is not suited for everybody.RollerPigeon is not suited for everybody.But we all share in the same Beloved Hobby.I belong to all 3 and hope to continue to support all of them whenever I can.I even belong to the Chesepeake Roller Club(ChRC) that is located in Maryland.I am not allowed to fly in their Flys because I am out of state.But when I flew the NBRC Fall Fly Final that Club came out in force to support me just because I was a member.I had joined that club earlier just because of the freindship I had with a couple of members.Unless we all pull together and get the younger generation interested in the Hobby there won,t be a Hobby to support in 20 or 25 years.
Thanks for not holding anything against me for just being me.LOL. David
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Ballrollers
381 posts
Jun 19, 2006
2:59 PM
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Most of you know that I, as well as many of you, post on most all the roller sites. If there is roller talk going on and something to learn, or something I can share with others, I'm usually participating. All the lists have good information for roller men at all levels of experience. Personally, I don't see it as a competition between sites, (though the owners may feel differently). They each fill a different niche. There have been many times on this list, as well as the others, where the opinions expressed are deemed inappropriate. Some posts are censored. Most of us recall times when topics are locked down because the owner feels things get out of hand. Some moderators go so far as to limit their site to an elite chosen few. I don't always agree with them. But the men who run the sites have a difficult job to walk the thin line between monitoring discussion and posts that may be offensive and inciting trouble, as opposed to what is healthy debate for the sake of learning about rollers. And they do the best they can. Some are more active in the process than others. As far as I have seen, no one particular site has mastered that task. They all ebb and flow; screw up sometimes and do a great job at others. I think it's best that we just go with the flow on this. It is totally non-productive to dis' each other or get into a pissing contest, over such a stupid issue. I've been asked to clarify or remove posts on this site as well as others. That's just a communication issue. Don't be such a whimp that you take everything so personal. If the moderators on the sites question your tone or your meaning, have the nards to take it like a man (or woman). Clarify your meaning. Don't go running to the other sites whining and complaining, and licking your "wounds" looking for support and pity from those who did not participate and don't know the whole story. You only disrespect yourself when you do so. JMHO Cliff
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nicksiders
634 posts
Jun 19, 2006
3:48 PM
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Cliff,
Unlike you some of us need a little sympathy and support....LOL. Come on Cliff......me, a wimp!?(LMAO) Hell, maybe I am....
I got my feelings hurt, Cliff! That is serious business(LOL). What is a man supposed to do, but to run home for some comfort and sympathy?.........well?(LOL)
It is probably I don't belong "over there", but there are some good friends there. Big Al; Bluesman; BMC posts there often; Scott has been going in there once in awhile; Alan Blevens who has a vast knowledge of a lot of breeds is there frequently; and others.
I don't belong because of my adverse feelings about crossing breeds together to make all kinds of wierd things that is acceptable with thier concepts of what a "performing roller" can be.
I was told by the owner of the site that if "he sees any further badmouthing of us on Tony's site, we will be forced to remove you from our list. The ball is in your court."
I don't know if any of these statements made on this post qualifies as badmouthing them or not, but I find this ultimatum rude and demeaning. I am not twelve years old.
Good evening,
Nick
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knaylor
239 posts
Jun 19, 2006
4:00 PM
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Thats it Nick. Now you will be banned!!! LMAO In my opinion that site serves no purpose to the real roller guys. Guys can go on there and learn about making colors.(that is fine if that is what they want) Now for guys that want to learn about comp flying and the real perfomance birds then this is the site. On the other site its allways the same as soon as something is said that he doesnt like(the truth)you are asked to take it off line or he removes you. Plus he personally has badmouthed Tony and his site on his site. I have never read where Tony has badmouthed him. Kevin
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Ballrollers
382 posts
Jun 19, 2006
5:16 PM
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I don't know Nick.....I guess if the shoe fits........And if you knew me better, you would know more about my soft side. But we don't "need" anything but air and water and food; least of all sympathy....though we might enjoy it. Sympathy is one thing....support is another. And is that what it really is (support)if it is at somebody else's expense? I've always considered you a good man, though....you've got a good head on your shoulders, you seem to be able to consider possibilities, which means you have an open mind, and you love rollers. So you have something to offer any site. There is no "over there" or "over here". That's an illusion. We're all just roller guys; some we agree with and some we do not...depends on the issue at hand. If you're like me, we've got friends on all the sites and guys that don't care for us as well. That's life. I appreciate the standards you have set for yourself and for your birds. I don't crossbreed either. But it's a big world and there's room for everyone. That's what makes the world go 'round. Not everyone has to believe the same way. YITS, Cliff
Last Edited by Ballrollers on Jun 19, 2006 5:32 PM
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nicksiders
637 posts
Jun 19, 2006
5:33 PM
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Cliff,
I have never had a problem with you and I joke with you often...........you're a good man and that is obvious to me. I have a question for you, though" Being 6'9" do you have to have a special dentist chair? You have to be one of the tallest dentists, aren't ya?(LOL)
If the shoes are big enough many of us could actually say the shoe fits. The roller world is getting larger. I hope there will only be room for the responsible.
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
590 posts
Jun 19, 2006
5:34 PM
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Tony, has your site become syndicated by Jerry Springer?...lol
Man, so much infatuated drama about nothing!
Season Premier---Rollerpigeon Roost...the newest reality television program where bored people stare into a flat glass screen and drivel on about the fragile virtues of life and the persceptions of decency. Don't miss the first episode where total strangers battle wits over nest bowl pennies followed by a preview of the newest verbal challenge--Website Wars--who's side are you on!!!
LOL--sorry fellas, couldn't resist, this stuff is just tooooo funny.
Brian.
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nicksiders
638 posts
Jun 19, 2006
5:43 PM
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Brian,
Please explain yourself or refrain from posting.
It's a joke.......LMAO
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J_Star
470 posts
Jun 19, 2006
6:54 PM
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I tried to stay out of this post for as much as I can but I couldn't!!! Can you guys kiss and make up now!!!(lol)
Jay
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knaylor
244 posts
Jun 19, 2006
8:02 PM
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Talk about funny. the guy emailed me privatley accusing me of not being a man. Asked a couple of questions. i then replied with the answers and then he told me I am ignorant and just run my mouth.LOL Well atleast he is looking on your site Tony to try and learn some things. Kevin
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rollerpigeon1963
83 posts
Jun 19, 2006
8:37 PM
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Test,
forth time trying to post
Guys,
I had this long winded post but it wouldn't allow me to post it said couldn't find server. So I tested a post and then edit off of it.
I remember at one time we had 5 different national clubs within the USA. And now there is just the 2 national club. They folded up and now no longer a club. It might have been for different reasons. But as we scream fowl/foul what does that make us? If we scream complain and throw a fit because of a different clubs runs its operations. Well we are no better than they are. What is that doing for us or this site?
I remember I use to come home from work and surf all the pigeon site that I could. I couldn't get enough!!! even was in the chatrooms up till 2 and 3 in the morning and then had to get up at 4:30 to go to work. It kept me in the grove kept the excitement of having rollers. Now I'm bummed people fighting like school yard bullies. Getting emails, phone call, and all sorts of stuff posted on certain sites. What do you think that does for the new guy? And after a while it takes the wind from your sails and you quit... Just think about it we have at least 4 or 5 sites that we all surf and get information from. What would happen if there wasn't any?
Take the advice from a quitter...
Stop!!!
Brian Middaugh
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nicksiders
639 posts
Jun 19, 2006
10:53 PM
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Brian - you're right. I got my feelings hurt and I over reacted. I apologise to the people in this site for dragging them in on this as I pouted a little. This is a great hobby and I have to do my part in taking care of it and growing it. Got to atleast help plant the seeds, anyway.
Now that I am getting over my little tantrum maybe I can go on and grow up a little in the process.
Glad to hear from you again; it seems to have been awhile.
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Ballrollers
385 posts
Jun 20, 2006
8:14 AM
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You're already a bigger man for acknowledging the fact, Nick. YITS, Cliff
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fhtfire
481 posts
Jun 20, 2006
8:30 AM
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Nick,
It takes more to admit when you are wrong!! You missed a nice NCRC BBQ at Dwight Wallaces house...Damn...I brought three birds to auction off and then came home with three...LOL!!
CLIFF>...where have you been dude...you need to poke Scott C in the eye with a sharp stick....it has been pretty boring around here..>LOL!
rock and ROLL
Paul
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nicksiders
641 posts
Jun 20, 2006
10:58 AM
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Paul,
I hope they weren't the same birds you brought!(LOL)
Nick
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Ballrollers
386 posts
Jun 20, 2006
2:54 PM
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Hey, Paul!
Good to hear from you. Funny you mention Scott...I just talked with him on the phone on Sunday. I just got back from a week at the beach....you know family, golfing, fishing, boating, sun, sand and ocean...hard to beat that stuff. I've been busy flying 4 kits of '06 birds and winding down the breeding season. About a half dozen are spinning 20-30 feet with good speed and quality. I may have paired them too hot this year, though....four rolldowns already from the January hatches of four different pairs. I only raised three out of a hundred all last year. Been busy with the WC regionals (the judge, Gregg Sale, stayed at my place)and some great local flys, as well as planning the NBRC Fall Fly, too, so I have had lots on my plate, but it's all good. We're hosting the NBRC Convention here in Carolina next year, as well, and I'm getting ready to head for Portland in a few weeks. You going to be there? So I'm going to hold off on that sharp stick for now....OK?! How are your '06 birds looking?
YITS, Cliff
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fhtfire
484 posts
Jun 20, 2006
10:42 PM
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Hey Cliff,
I put my birds together around January and bred two rounds..one round for a new flier in the area and a round for a guy in Ohio that got a couple kit birds from me last year and he called me and said he wanted a round..a weasel or something killed most of his birds. So..those two rounds were to a good cause. It has been for me ever since. I really weeded down my breeders to tighten up what I had and got 2 proven pairs from Mort Emami and a couple cocks. I pulled one o4 cock and 05 hen from my A-team..and 05 hen to put on a Mort Cock..pulled and 04 Ruby roller hen and 05 Ruby ROller cock from the A-team. Loaned my Red Baldy cock to Chuck Roe ..he liked what he saw in my team that had the cock on some of his hens..so he wanted to spread the wealth and borrow him...so I put my Red Baldies Roe hen on a full brother to the red baldy (two years younger 02 cock) on the Roe hen. Then I pulled two more from the A-team...a RUby roller cock and I am crossing it with a Mort hen just to see what I get...so basically My A-team is down to 10 birds..my B-team is empty and my young bird team in at 25 with 10 more going in tomorrow...and 22 more in about 2 weeks...so it is really going...I breed a tight ship so I will keep breeding until every perch is full...that is about 75 birds total and right now I am at 45. Oh...and 8 squeeks will go to the NBRC Auction. I am expecting good things from my normal pairs and fingers crossed on my new pairs I put together.
As for the young birds...they are coming along just fine..kitting real good and little rolls hear and there...I am putting the sauflower to them and feeding them pretty heavy to get the birds through there first moult..so I am not expecting a whole lot of action yet...I usually shut down at about August. Then start again...about Jan. I can breed a little longer then most..due to the fact...my hawk problems are minimal..so I get the fly time.
It is hard to get to the Portland..event..we will be smack dab in the middle of Fire Season..and everyong knows that most of California burns during the summer..My son is also wrestling in the Junior Olympics this year..so this is his last year of wrestling...(senior year)..so I can't miss it. I may come to the Carolinas next year. I have had one bump a little to hard..but it was my fault..put them up...it was a little to hot and they were to tired...and one rolled and missed the pool by a foot..and hit the edge..OUCH! When they hit the pool..that is a good thing..splash and back up!! Glad you are doing well
rock and ROLL
Paul
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C.J.
247 posts
Jun 21, 2006
3:48 AM
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The freedom of speech on this site is what makes it so interesting. If you were to take that away then this would be just another boring site. The only thing that happens on this site that I really don't like is when two people have a disagreement and other people who haven't a clue start picking on one person. Other than that its great. unfortuneately this is not something Tony can stop.
I don't believe in censorship but I do believe in mutual respect.
C.J.
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Ballrollers
387 posts
Jun 21, 2006
8:06 AM
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Paul, I, too, am planning to tighten up my lines even more in '07. This year I split up a few pair that produced really well last year to try to determine if it is the cock or the hen that was the producer. I see now that most of my '05 A-kit birds that have matured nicely into stable performance, came from about three pair of breeders. I pulled one pair from my A-kit, (at the judge's insisting after the WC regionals. LOL!), and I lost a few to bumping during landing at the new location. So my A-kit is pretty lean know also. The A-kit birds I pulled are a brother and sister off one of the click pairs. I'm not too keen on brother/sister matings, but I may give these two a try. The big decision that I have to make for '07 is whether to put the same three pairs back together, or pair them with their offspring. I'll probably stick with the known producing pairs from '05 since I missed pairing them this year. Of course, seeing what comes out of this years crop may affect that decision, too.
Sorry I won't get to meet you at this year's convention; maybe next year. But I understand about your son's athletics. My son just finished playing basketball in college in Charleston, and it was a thrill for me to watch his games. I'm gonna miss that! It goes by so fast!! Anyway, take care. YITS, Cliff
Last Edited by Ballrollers on Jun 21, 2006 8:07 AM
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J_Star
479 posts
Jun 22, 2006
4:58 AM
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Cliff, Brother and sister mating will not advance your program. There might be other ways to try.
Jay
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Ballrollers
389 posts
Jun 22, 2006
8:21 AM
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Jay, Could you expand on that a litle more, Jay, as to why brother/sister matings do not advance your program? Would you, instead, put the hen back on the father and the cock back on the mother? Or go back to grand mother and grand father? YITS, Cliff
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fhtfire
489 posts
Jun 22, 2006
8:38 AM
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Cliff,
I have tried the brother sister thing...with poor results. I may ruffle some feathers...but I have had best results..just doing plain old best to best and "trying" different matings. I have tried the father daughter and really have not noticed a BIG difference...Now Aunts and Uncles...Cousins and Grandfather/mother to Grandson/daughter....those breedings seem to work out for me...but that is me...I am just a little sensitive to inbreed to close...you are going against mother nature in that respect and sooner or later...she will bite you. I have also had good luck with distant relatives....Overall...I have found...that you roll the dice and get the seven or the elever...but even when you think you have a good roll...you come up with snake eyes!!!
rock and ROLL
Paul
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nicksiders
644 posts
Jun 22, 2006
9:11 AM
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Cliff,
I have never had good results sister/brother. I believe they are TOO close genically and seem to produce what is bad with each. The success rate is very low in my experience.
Now, I have heard of some having some success, but I think over all the majority have had very little success.
Nick
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Ballrollers
390 posts
Jun 22, 2006
9:30 AM
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Well guys, that seems to be the opinion of most. It just so happened that the best two birds in my A-kit happened to be brother and sister. I have only one tried brother and sister mating; two birds I got from Jay Yandle. The hen is the fastest he ever raised, he says. They produced seven young last year and none of them did crap. I'm so stubborn I put them back together this year, just to prove it one way or the other. These A-kit birds are so good, as are the parents, that I am going to let them raise a few late hatches this year to see if they produce anything at all. I'll keep you posted. Come next year, I'll see what other pairings I can make with them. YITS, Cliff
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J_Star
480 posts
Jun 22, 2006
10:37 AM
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Well, Cliff…it is scientifically proven that brother/sister mating don’t yield you much. I cut and pasted a portion of ‘Line Breeding Made Simple’ article in the All roller Matrix. Maybe go back and read it.
‘Brother to sister or half-brother to half-sister mating are not often resorted to in the first year of breeding. These matings are more likely to be made after an established inbred strain of rollers uses an outcross. They are in the nature of gamble, in the hope that the foundation cock’s factors which the young have inherited could recombine.
The theory behind this is that if the factors recombine, the breeder would rear, based on a nest of four, two young similar to the brother and sister, one similar to the grandmother and that special offspring similar to the grandfather, who is the founding cock. The following diagrams will illustrate brother to sister and half-brother and half-sister matings:
Sorry the diagram did not show up
As you can see from the illustrations above, the only chick for the breeder to keep from the matings would be the ‘1/2F 1/2F’ roller, providing it does reflect the character of the foundation cock. As we discussed earlier, the inbreeder aim is to establish a strain of rollers that will give 70% or more quality young.
Therefore, a mating, which offers only 25% chance is not very attractive to the breeder. Keep in mind that there are so many variables and ways in which the chick could be lost between egg and perch.’
Jay
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Ballrollers
393 posts
Jun 22, 2006
1:34 PM
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Thanks, Jay. Let me go back and re-read it, at this point, when it is very relevant for me. It looks lke I may be wasting my time with this pairing! YITS, Cliff
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knaylor
245 posts
Jun 22, 2006
2:09 PM
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Well guys I will diagree some what. If done the right way brother and sister together will provide some very good results. I have done it personally. To just put them together to be doing it wont help and it seems that alot do it for that reason. Think about it if you have two sibs that are really good and you put them together it should strengthen the genetics. Right? This is one way to tighten up a family. BUT you have to do it right. Cliff, In my opinion(like you really want my opinion.LOL) if your two best birds in your Ateam are bro and sis. And you were going to stock them anyway. PUT them together. Kevin
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fhtfire
490 posts
Jun 22, 2006
2:20 PM
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Kevin,
I do agree that you should try anything. You will never know unless you try. I have just found that the odds seem to be against you to produce good birds. I don't think that anybody is saying that it will not work...I just think it is not as good as the other matings. Of course..Cliff...if they are your two best birds...try them...but I found that your two best birds don't usually produce the goods either....I have found that your best bird...to your third of fourth best birds work the best mated together..LOL!!
rock and ROLL
Paul
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Ballrollers
395 posts
Jun 22, 2006
3:24 PM
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Kevin,
I always welcome a fellow roller-man's opinion! Just because we have disagreed in some areas does not mean we will disagree on them all! LOL! Like in this case, for example, we happen to agree!! I pulled the pair after the world cup regionals, paired them, fostered the first round and am letting them raise the second round. We'll see what comes of it.
By the way, are you still serving as WC Assist GC? I heard that nearly everyone was stepping down from currently-held posts, excluding RDs, of course. Wendall has retired his position and I was voted in as WC RD, for the Southeast region, at our regionals, so I need to be put on the WC Committee list and Wendall removed. Can you take care of that? Any committments for GC yet?
YITS, Cliff
Last Edited by Ballrollers on Jun 22, 2006 3:26 PM
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knaylor
246 posts
Jun 22, 2006
6:12 PM
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Cliff, no one has stepped up yet. Yes I would like to still do the co-GC job. That is all I can do though, as my plate is totally full. Email me your info and I will get you on the list and on the website. knaylor35@yahoo.com
Thanks, Kevin
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Mongrel Lofts
164 posts
Jun 22, 2006
9:58 PM
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Hey Cliff,
Never be afraid of B/S mating.. Just be sure they are great individuals.. I have a full brother sister mating off of a half brother sister mating, that is starting to look like my new turn in the road.. Just like all mating's, you get many more misses than hits. When B/S hit, you just stepped up the stock loft a notch in my opinion.. Good luck with the pair,, KGB
Last Edited by Mongrel Lofts on Jun 23, 2006 5:29 AM
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nicksiders
651 posts
Jun 23, 2006
2:25 AM
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KGB - been along time since we heard from you. Is everything all right?
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Snicker Rollers
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Mongrel Lofts
165 posts
Jun 23, 2006
5:31 AM
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Hey Nick,
I'm still around, Just being a good boy! LOL Really been busy. Just don't have much time these days.. Thanks for asking.. KGB
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Ballrollers
396 posts
Jun 23, 2006
7:09 AM
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Thanks,Kevin. I'll be in touch. Good to hear from you Ken! I put a lot of stock in your opinion regarding breeding and training, so I'm going to go with it. I'm not sure these late hatches will be an accurate measure of their production capabilities. Seems like my late hatches don't quite measure up...at least the percentages seem a little lower, anyway. See you guys in Portland. YITS, Cliff
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motherlodelofts
811 posts
Jun 23, 2006
8:00 AM
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I find Bro/Sis matings to be like any other mating ,they either hit together or they don't , some do some don't.
We tend to get stuck in absoulutes , in other words we try a particular mating or two that doesn't pan out, so automaticly that doesn't work in our mind,when the fact is good matings are just plain hard to come by period.
Road mapping inbreeding/linebreeding charts in these birds just plain don't work with this breed , we are working around birds with a disorder and trying to cotrol the disorder with mental strength.
It is like trying to shoot pool with a crooked stick on a unlevel table with a bad warp in it, yea we have a goal but there are no absolutes, it may hit the corner pocket but it may not.
Scott
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