JMUrbon
105 posts
Dec 10, 2006
4:03 PM
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"I know what your saying.Those scores in the thousands are just bullshit plain and simple.Guys in one club want to look better than the next club.Some scores in the club where I am are in the 6oo range for the qualifier,the they get 50 around points in the final.My birds are very reliable and consistent.I had a kit a few years ago that would do between 30-35 breaks every day,and I flew them every day.If any of my kits made it to the finals they would score about the same score as they went in.Thats if the weather conditions are about the same.When I fly a competition kit they will score about the maximum they are capable of every day.I don't do anything to peak them I feed them the same every day.By that I mean if I were to judge them on a Sun. say and they scored xx amount.I could judge them again on Wed.And Fri and they would score about the same.I find they perform more on a cloudy day--------
STARFIRE "
Stan would you please read all of the variables that you added to that post. That is what we all have to contend with. You are comparing your score to one that was given in the finals by an entirely different judge. I have never had 2 judges give me the same score and that is even when my local club has used panel judging. There is just no way possible to compare you prelim score to the finals winners score. Impossible. Joe
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knaylor
343 posts
Dec 10, 2006
6:52 PM
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Joe, nothing is immposible!!! Look he has crested mongrels oops I mean crested mutants that reproduce themselves. He isnt a Mosaic a mutant?? How many of those reproduce other mosaics???
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STARFIRE
78 posts
Dec 10, 2006
6:56 PM
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Hi JUrbon;
You know the kit I was talking about that did the 30 breaks?What would you say If I told you that I have a full turn= 20 birds on video tape from that kit.I forgot to mention that.LOL
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STARFIRE
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
864 posts
Dec 10, 2006
7:22 PM
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knaylor
345 posts
Dec 10, 2006
7:27 PM
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BMC, LOL
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motherlodelofts
1071 posts
Dec 10, 2006
7:33 PM
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I think thats mine Brian , LOL
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Hayseedboy
13 posts
Dec 10, 2006
8:05 PM
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Now that's funny right there....
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JMUrbon
106 posts
Dec 10, 2006
8:57 PM
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I would say send me a copy of the video but of course you are one of those guys that are all talk rite. See Stan the difference between you and I is that I am willing to let the birds do the talking. I would be impressed if your birds were half as good as you say they are. Hell that would put them in the top 60 in the world.LOL. I wonder if you dream this shit up while you sleep or does it come natural to you. Cuz its some funny shit. Joe
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Electric-man
52 posts
Dec 10, 2006
9:55 PM
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BOOOOOOOM!
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STARFIRE
79 posts
Dec 10, 2006
9:57 PM
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-Hey guys;
I think I'll put it on a C.D and I'll sell them to you for $20.00.That will be a bargain as it will be the only full turn you guys will ever see in your liftime.LOL..That B.S meter looks good .Is that the one you guys use to gage which one of you is the best at it?It must get a lot of use.
STARFIRE
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W@yne
53 posts
Dec 10, 2006
10:10 PM
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Starfie
I`ll be watching for you in this years WC with your birds doin full turns n that you should win it hands down.I think with your birds us guys must be doing somthing wrong .Whats your secret Starfire?It isnt possible to make up so mutch bullshit surely. Best of luck for the WC. regards
W@yne uk
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ultrasonic
19 posts
Dec 11, 2006
5:40 AM
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Is there really any use to argue back and forth,were will it get everyone.
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Frank
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C.J.
786 posts
Dec 11, 2006
6:07 PM
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Stan if you have it just post it on your site for all to see. That would be proof enough for us all
C.J.
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STARFIRE
85 posts
Dec 11, 2006
9:41 PM
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Hey Guys:
I got to admit I don't have a 20 bird break on tape.I don't want you guys to get the wrong Idea.I have to be honest.I looked at the tape again what I have is a 21 bird full break going about 30 ft.I realized my mistake and I thought I would correct it.I can't help being honest .It.s just the way I am.Did I mention that this kit was only 5 months old? Hi Wayne From over the big pond.My birds don't do full turns very often.I've had my family for 38 years and I have only seen 2 full turns in all that time.
STARFIRE
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MILO
55 posts
Dec 11, 2006
9:49 PM
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Thanks for the clarification Stan. By the way, how old are you? 12?
c
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STARFIRE
86 posts
Dec 11, 2006
9:57 PM
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--Hey Milo:
I wish I was .Oh to be twelve again.Then I would be mentaly on the same level as you guys. --------
STARFIRE
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Electric-man
53 posts
Dec 11, 2006
10:03 PM
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And you just happen to have the video recorder out and going at this rare moment? Sure would like to see a video like that! Since you like to be so honest and all! Break out, cuz!
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luis
15 posts
Dec 11, 2006
10:25 PM
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Starfire:
I would like to take this opportunity to say that i would love to hire U.See i have this product that i would like to sell, IT'S THE BEST.There's nothing comparable out there.I'm just trying to figure out how to back up this claim,but i'll leave that up to you..........seems you're a real pro at it!!!!
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motherlodelofts
1075 posts
Dec 11, 2006
10:30 PM
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Stan , I can assure you that your standards and my standards are miles apart if you think that 5 mo. old birds can do a scoreable full turn with scorable qaulity , let alone much of any scoreable breaks with proper timing and qaulity within the breaks except on the rarest of occasions , of which is near impossible even with a solid old bird team (full turn).
As for tape, never have I seen birds on tape that look worth a crap "never" the equipment that would have to be used would have to be state of the art and way above most peoples means.
The speed on most equipment just isn't fast enough to give even good birds thier due and most look flawed but not caught with the naked eye.
I think that what you write here you honestly believe , the problem is you just don't know any better but nor do you want to prove yourself and your birds in the major flys, just talking doesn't buy you much with many of us here.
Scott
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MILO
56 posts
Dec 11, 2006
10:47 PM
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Stan.
You are either retarded, or a liar. Since you want to throw out personal insults...there you go.
c
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STARFIRE
88 posts
Dec 12, 2006
8:42 AM
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Hey Milo;
Dont get mad .I was just agreeing with you.
STARFIRE
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STARFIRE
89 posts
Dec 12, 2006
9:09 AM
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Hey Scott:
You are only talking about the birds you know.My birds come into the spin very early.I can make a good competion
kit every year.Way back in 1975 We only flew 10 bird kits then.I had a kit that scored 350 pts.That was in the end of july.the kit was only 5 months old then too.I got a trophy for that..Thats a record that has never been broken.The club at that time could never beat my young birds in competition.And that was against anything they had at the time.They used to have a best bird fly meaning put the best you had together old or young for a kit but it didn't do them any good,they still lost.
My young birds were never beaten in competition.Not even once.Thats over a period of about4 years.They got desperate then and imported the Barret birds hoping they would beat me.This is all a matter of record and you can talk to any of the old guys in the Toronto club.Ive got nothing to hide.
STARFIRE
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MILO
57 posts
Dec 12, 2006
9:18 AM
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LOL Stan.
I just got bent cause you said you and I were mentally on the same level...I misread it! LOL Enjoy the rain.
c
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J_Star
720 posts
Dec 12, 2006
10:18 AM
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Falks, I sat back and read all your posts and did not jump in at every attack. Please keep the personal attacks out as much as possible. Otherwise, your posts will be edited. There is no reason for any of us to forget our sportsmanship. Thanks.
Jay
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fhtfire
704 posts
Dec 12, 2006
10:32 AM
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Stan,
Talking of the way it was does not mean a thing. I mean...I can say that I was a damn good football player back in the day..but that does not mean that I am now. The only way to prove it is to put the birds up. I mean...I can say that my birds are the best in the world ....but that is me talking. You have to prove it. Stan...I am not saying that you have bad birds or good birds...but anyone can talk. Just sign up for the World Cup and put the birds up. If they do it day in and day out...you should do fine and then everyone will salute you. But talk is cheap.
rock and ROLL
Paul
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STARFIRE
90 posts
Dec 12, 2006
10:46 AM
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--Hi JoeUrbon;
You say you let your birds do the talking.I seen one of your scores inthe NBRC. bulletin for 95.=70=I.3 Q points isnt saying much. They sure arent talking very loud. LOL--------
STARFIRE
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C.J.
787 posts
Dec 12, 2006
10:57 AM
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Stan don't knock a guy for trying tleast he putting them in the air Stan. I take my hat off to aany of you who do.
C.J.
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motherlodelofts
1076 posts
Dec 12, 2006
12:16 PM
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--Hi JoeUrbon;
You say you let your birds do the talking.I seen one of your scores inthe NBRC. bulletin for 95.=70=I.3 Q points isnt saying much. They sure arent talking very loud. LOL--------
STARFIRE
Stan if you play the game you will have good flys and bad fly's , I have gone into flys with poor kits that I knew wouldn't do well, I still fly them to support the fly.
This crap that wrote above to Joe just further prooves to me that you honestly don't have a clue.
Scott
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motherlodelofts
1077 posts
Dec 12, 2006
12:35 PM
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Hey Scott:
You are only talking about the birds you know.My birds come into the spin very early.I can make a good competion
kit every year.Way back in 1975 We only flew 10 bird kits then.I had a kit that scored 350 pts.That was in the end of july.the kit was only 5 months old then too.I got a trophy for that..Thats a record that has never been broken.The club at that time could never beat my young birds in competition.And that was against anything they had at the time.They used to have a best bird fly meaning put the best you had together old or young for a kit but it didn't do them any good,they still lost.
My young birds were never beaten in competition.Not even once.Thats over a period of about4 years.They got desperate then and imported the Barret birds hoping they would beat me.This is all a matter of record and you can talk to any of the old guys in the Toronto club.Ive got nothing to hide.
STARFIRE
This aint 1975 ,and your five month old birds (nor anyone's) wouldn't stand up with any "real" judge , immature birds just plain don't have what it take's mentally or physically.
Scott
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W@yne
57 posts
Dec 12, 2006
1:23 PM
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STARFIRE
I am that guy from over the that big pond. Just wondering what are your birds like at adulthood level.What comps have you won with adult birds? I am not trying to be sarcastic its just a genuine question. The reason why i am asking you this i know of flyers that only seem to have birds that roll at early age and can win young bird comps over in uk. But they never really perform at adulthood level either burn themselves out or become unstable and end up being culled or kill themselves.But there is a massive difference between old birds and young birds performing as a team in the sky and you know that Starfire having had the time and experiance you have.
REGARDS
W@YNE
PS I HAVE RESPECT FOR ANY GUY HAVING ROLLERS FOR AS LONG AS YOU HAVE HAD THEM JUST BE MORE HONEST IN YOUR REPLIES.
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C.J.
788 posts
Dec 12, 2006
3:08 PM
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Stan lives in the city of Toronto about an hour and a half from me. Although I have never been to Stan's loft I have seen birds directly from his loft. He says he belongs to the TFRC.
If you want to see who you are talking to then plug stan arnolds crested rollers into google, he has his own site.
C.J.
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JMUrbon
107 posts
Dec 12, 2006
4:13 PM
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--Hi JoeUrbon;
You say you let your birds do the talking.I seen one of your scores inthe NBRC. bulletin for 95.=70=I.3 Q points isnt saying much. They sure arent talking very loud. LOL--------
STARFIRE
Stan the way I would respond to that is get yourself a judge and get your wallet out bud. See I put mine up against the best and except whatever the judge gives me. Now apparently you live where the weather and the preditors aren't an issue but you still choose to just talk. I say talk is cheap and until you are ready to put your birds up for the rest to judge then just keep on showing your intelligence the way that you know how. meanwhile I will continue to put my birds up and improve every year like I have. Joe
PS. Stan at least you seen one of my scores. I did fly
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JMUrbon
109 posts
Dec 12, 2006
5:01 PM
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You know Stan the more I think about this the more it makes sense. You have to talk youself up because nobody else will. Makes perfectly good sense to me. I guess if I had your birds I would to. After all mine are just culls compared to you crested mutant mongrels. But I guess I will just have to stay with mine because I wouldnt want to have to look at those crests everyday at feeding time. Im glad we see things eye to eye Stan. you know where I stand I know where you stand. Sure would like to see that video though.LOL. Joe
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STARFIRE
91 posts
Dec 12, 2006
5:07 PM
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-Hi Wayne:
How are you .In reply to your querry.If I have a good young bird kit ,They stay the same the next year.If they dont roll down,or a hawk dont get them as a youngster and make it to the next year they perform almost the same.I dont have many rolldowns I bred over a 100 birds this year and only 2 rolled down.Unfortunately a racoon got onto my young bird loft and killed all but 26.This was the worst year ever for me as far as the racoons and weasles killing my birds.One time they got in because I forgot to close the door.My own fault.Check out my website .just google my name Stan Arnold
STARFIRE
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Hector Coya
22 posts
Dec 12, 2006
5:28 PM
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Hey Guys Dont knock his bird's if you havent seen them,
I also have a crest ptoject going,I got my crest from 4 diferent breeders,one of is considered in the top 5 in California,I whont mention his name becouse he wouldnt like anyone knowing a crest came out of his loft,(but it did),this person has won the fall fly before and 5 in W/C,the other crest are from avarege breeders that for some reason a crest cameout,A crest is not a mongrel ,a crest is a genetic fault just like the roll in a pigeon, or do you see wild street pigeons roll? I flew last year on the W/C and F/F the day i flew i had 3 crest in my team,everyone realy liked this certain bird,when i told them it was a crest they didnt believe me,I scored 98 not much but the haks interfeared,not much of a score but i had better days and worse like anyone els,ive seen some big names DQ so i dont feel bad,
My crest roll just as good as anyone's good bird not better but just as good ,And they doo come in at 4 months,
the w/c qualifying is in April here in California the hawks leave in March so early developers is the only way .
MY opinion Hector C
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JMUrbon
110 posts
Dec 12, 2006
5:39 PM
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Hector, Thats the problem, He wont put them up to be seen. I dont recall anybody saying they wouldn't roll. I have no doubt they roll just doubts as to the magnitude of the roll. You can't spend that much time with a family of rollers and have them not roll unless you are an idiot. I dont think Stan is an idiot just not very realistic.
Truthfully I would love to see one of his kits in the air. I have had some pretty awsome kits but to get them to do it on fly day is another thing. I like to say mine are very reliable but something always happens on fly day (Right Guys).
Also HectorI have seen Crests pop up in the old Chan Grover birds I had in the early 80s and to my knowledge they were not crossed anywhere but like Kevin stated earlier they were just more of a small tuft if you will. I guess if you wanted to harvest them you could get them larger but when concentrating on the roll why would you. There is no way that you or anybody else that has the crested birds can tell me that the crest doesn't sway your decisioning in some way when considering stock. Joe
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STARFIRE
93 posts
Dec 12, 2006
5:47 PM
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--Hi C.J.:
I dont live in Toronto.Ilive in Mississauga.I dont belong to the TFRC.I belong to the CRC.For a guy that was flameing me a while ago,and has never been in competition you have a lot to say.You are the closest one one to me on this site.I dont think your a bad guy ,just misinformed.You could clear up this controversy by coming to my place and seeing for yourself.You can come the end of July and watch my young birds fly.That goes for anyone anywhere,Come see my birds and then you can see if its B.S.
Scott,can you swing being one of the W F judges and come to my area.I would love to see your face under one of my young bird kits.You might be a changed man.Seeing is Believing.My young birds can spin as good as any old birds.
STARFIRE
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STARFIRE
94 posts
Dec 12, 2006
5:57 PM
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hi joe:
If you are breeding a line of good spinning birds and a crest pops up why should that have any effect on the roll.If the bird with the crest is as good as the others what does it matter,unless you dont like it on your birds.
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STARFIRE
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motherlodelofts
1078 posts
Dec 12, 2006
5:59 PM
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Stan, to be honest with you I wouldn't waste my time on going out of my way to see "any" youngster kit.
Now if someone tells me that they have a smoken old bird team, thats worth going out of my way for , I can see youngster action in my own backyard.
Scott
Last Edited by on Dec 12, 2006 6:01 PM
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JMUrbon
112 posts
Dec 12, 2006
6:04 PM
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Stan I dont think it does matter. Spin is first and as long as things fall i9n that order to me that is all that matters. I am not one to say that I would kill the bird because of the crest but it had better be a dam good bird to keep its head. I know what I have done with this family I have but prior to that I dont know but I have yet to get any type of mutation other than a few mosaics but thats not to say it couldn't happen.As far as breeding from one it wouldnt happen. That is my personal preferance though you can do whatever floats your boat. I just dont like the looks of them so the kit loft is as far as they would go for me. Joe
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fhtfire
705 posts
Dec 12, 2006
6:29 PM
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Stan...what does a score from 95 have to do with anything...Look at the NBRC site right now and see the past scores...Joe scored around 270 in the prelims and I think in the 200's in the finals...and he has consistantly been at the top when he has flown...some cases the raptors have torn him up....Joe has proven himself...It is not your birds...it is your approach....man....let the birds do the talking and then people will talk about you and your birds...being humble is a very good trait...
rock and ROLL
Paul
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Hector Coya
23 posts
Dec 12, 2006
6:34 PM
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Hopefully by the end of next season i will have a kit of crest to fly for the Fall fly,i said hopefuly.
we have about 12 members in my club last yr i got flyer of the year for the most points this year i came in 2nd and i had a few crest in my kit.
Hector C
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knaylor
351 posts
Dec 12, 2006
7:54 PM
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Hector thats good. Where did you get the crests??
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Hector Coya
24 posts
Dec 12, 2006
9:13 PM
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Knaylor ,my friend bred 3 mosaics out of the same pair. Look 9 post up.i already wrote it. send me your email and ill send you a pic, Hector
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STARFIRE
95 posts
Dec 12, 2006
9:58 PM
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--hey Scott;
Not like mine. lol Hey now you can go after Hectors crests .Im not the only one mongrelizing the breed.Tell him he has crossed them too.Lol Make up a story that somebody told you something about them too.Lol
STARFIRE
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knaylor
353 posts
Dec 12, 2006
10:16 PM
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Hector are you saying that your friend can breed mosaics?? its knaylor35@yahoo.com
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C.J.
802 posts
Dec 13, 2006
4:33 AM
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Hey Stan I stand corrected about the club you belong to, but as for the Toronto as far as I am concerned Missauga is part of the whole Toronto sprawl right through Ajax, Whitby, Oshawa. Next in the past the only reason I argued with you is because of some of the comments you make. I personally have nothing against you. I think that sometimes you say things you don't mean and then feel committed about your stance and will not back down. Next if I am in Toronto sorry Mississauga in July I would love to see your birds fly. The ones I saw were in a loft in and around Stirling.
C.J.
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motherlodelofts
1079 posts
Dec 13, 2006
6:32 AM
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Stan , Hector also has color birds , hmmmmmm , he does what he enjoys and doesn't deny it.
Scott
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STARFIRE
98 posts
Dec 13, 2006
11:09 AM
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Hi Scott:
Hector has color birds,And Crested rollers?What is this hobby coming to .People have no respect for the true birmingham roller any more.The end of the world is near.Pretty soon the whole birmingham roller population will be polluted with Color and (gasp) Crested birds.When I heard that news I was just glad I keep mine pure. After all somebody has to step up and take the lead .I'm not going to breed mongrels like some guys. Especialy those color birds.They look too nice.They might even say that they roll good too.And us purists know that that CAN"T be true. LMAO
STARFIRE
Last Edited by on Dec 13, 2006 11:10 AM
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motherlodelofts
1080 posts
Dec 13, 2006
11:20 AM
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Actually a few do roll well , mainly the Andulutions , that isn't the point though.
Scott
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