nicksiders
1312 posts
Feb 01, 2007
3:01 PM
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Sounds like Nancy Carrigan (SP) doesn't it?
I just cannot figure out why anyone would take the premium performing breed ever and alter it by crossing other breeds into it. Hell, there are even breeders who do not fly thier birds. Why even have this beautiful little performer if you are not even going to allow it to perform.
I am tired of the old story about the Birmingham being developed using other breeds being abussed and put into unique pretexts to justify this travisty.
There are no honest color questions when it comes to a performance breed. Why would you even give a sh - - what colors or patterns you are producing when you are breeding to improve the performance in your family of birds?
I don't get it!
We get quickly side tracked looking for the altimate pretty bird; this is going with the flow. We need to be looking for the altimate performering bird which is a hell of a lot more difficult; this is not going with the flow.
Nick
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1-bad-57
17 posts
Feb 01, 2007
3:26 PM
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Nick, Go get your milk and cookies then you can go to bed.
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Batlizard
18 posts
Feb 01, 2007
5:02 PM
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Well Nick, I'll give you my stand on your pondering post.
First off, the roller pigeon is a very hardy breed and provides a wide variety of color. It also provides a newcomer or oldtimer a very solid and sturdy bird that fights off infection and disease easily. Additionally, it provides a newcomer or oldtimer with a bird that raises a number of offspring without any concern with foster parents.
Now, I don't see where the need for flying the bird comes in when the ultimate goal is to sustain the hobby. That's just me.
As far as your challenge on color. I HATE, LOATH, CANNOT STAND Recessive Reds and Grizzles. So I don't keep them. That's not color breeding, just selection. I can find just a good a Blue, Black, or Ash Red, as I can anything else. Additionally, I can find just as good an Opal, Indigo, Reduced, etc...whatever they're all called, as a Blue, Black, Ash Red, Rec. Red, or Grizzle. The ROLLER pigeon offers an immense variety of colors, shapes, sizes, families, and attributes.
Sounds more to me that you're having some personal battles that you need to deal with personally. If you need some input, I'm sure there are many fine fellows here that would be willing to provide direction and guidance. But please, don't try to justify what you have or don't have, by questioning the need or existence for this little bird in someone's loft. Whether they fly them or not. That, to me, is just petty. Why would it be any of your or my business in the first place?
Rocky
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bob
29 posts
Feb 01, 2007
5:27 PM
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Hey Nick for myself iwould totally agree with you as would most ., However as i have said before the one buying the feed is the one that has to be satisfied & i don,t think we can change that. good luck to you Bob in Ont.
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nicksiders
1314 posts
Feb 01, 2007
5:29 PM
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What kind of cookies?
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Frankie
62 posts
Feb 01, 2007
7:51 PM
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I agree Rocky I think that most of them that run around in thier little pack need help lol no but seriously I bet they are all fine fellows as long as you agree with them but the minute you stop believing them and their way of thinking then you are fair game and they gang up on you like a pack of wolves and about the color issue I do not see why they always get so mad about it looks like to me they should be happy more people that breed so called color mongrels the better for them since they can not roll anyway less competition I think they are against it and they hate it so much maybe they are afraid one of these days somebody will stop believing that B.S. and beat them in competition hope we are all still alive when that day comes what a good day that would be I am just getting back into rollers but the more somebody tells me you can not do something the more I want to do it please somebody out there that likes to compete step up to the plate and show them color haters something lol Frankie
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1-bad-57
18 posts
Feb 01, 2007
8:24 PM
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Chocalate Chip with M&M's for color :)
Joe
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knaylor
439 posts
Feb 01, 2007
8:42 PM
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You guys are right!!!! So keep breeding a performance bird around other reasons than performance!!! Hey Nick buddy keep up the great work!!!!
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MILO
147 posts
Feb 01, 2007
8:51 PM
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I don't know about Nick... but Frankie is eating those Chronic Chip Cookies again...LMAO
c
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Frankie
65 posts
Feb 01, 2007
9:16 PM
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Milo did Scott give you permission to post
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
1112 posts
Feb 01, 2007
9:20 PM
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Frankie
66 posts
Feb 01, 2007
9:28 PM
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MCCORMICKLOFTS that's funny I'm LMAO!!!
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nicksiders
1315 posts
Feb 01, 2007
10:08 PM
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You color breeders believe that a little cross breeding for color won't hurt the BR. You believe it even makes them more desirable for those coming into the pigeon world, right?
To me that is like saying a little tiny bit of dog poop won't hurt the brownies and it might even help the taste.
Poop is poop no matter how much you use and what you use it in. If you don't mind dog poop in your brownies then have at it. I vow never to give any further unsolicited opinion about cross breeding the BR......
Weird ain't it?
Nick
PS - you should note that there ain't enough of us to gang up on anybody anymore. The breed is in jeopardy and it will change. Stupidity, ignorance, and indifference is going to take care of it just as it has taken care of other performance breeds that no longer perform.
Nick(again)
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Batlizard
19 posts
Feb 01, 2007
10:10 PM
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Frankie...
I've been watching this forum loooooong before I joined. What you're seeing right now is the turn of of cycle that's happened time and time before. It's brought some truths to the table, as well as some falicies. It's up to the reader to judge. At any rate...you are correct in my book. In this genre of forum, like it or not, the opinion of the fancier of whom does not fly for PERFORMANCE ONLY, will ultimately get the cold shoulder and the shaft.
Yes...hello everyone....I've been around for a long time. Just took my time in registering. I've been around watching, reading, and learning what I could before posting.
What I've learned? Well, there are some real self-centered SOBs here that think there point of view is the only one that's worth following. So much to the point that they'll beat down anything that comes in contact or tries to dispute what they believe. Hey!!!! Believe what you must. I've learned to live with what what I've got. And I have no shame. There are no names attached to what I have, and the colors of my birds are my business only. They perform to my standards. From what I understand, my standards are more in line with the Birmingham Roller standard than that of the nbrc fall fly...and far more than the world cup.
But....it doesn't matter. This is a performance ONLY site apparently and certain questions and opinions aren't welcome here. Let's just give it a rest...
Rocky
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
1114 posts
Feb 01, 2007
10:24 PM
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Sooooo Nicky old boyee, what you are saying is that all other breeds of pigeons are POOP? Only pure Birmingham Rollers are non-poop?
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
1115 posts
Feb 01, 2007
10:32 PM
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Wayne, well look at it this way, would you rather have a headache, or a date with......
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motherlodelofts
1356 posts
Feb 01, 2007
10:32 PM
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"At any rate...you are correct in my book. In this genre of forum, like it or not, the opinion of the fancier of whom does not fly for PERFORMANCE ONLY, will ultimately get the cold shoulder and the shaft. "
Spoken like a true color breeder Rockey , let me guess , you clowns filtered over here from Slobberknockers.
Scott
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W@yne
238 posts
Feb 01, 2007
10:36 PM
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Brian A headache any day lmao
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3757
101 posts
Feb 01, 2007
10:44 PM
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It amazes me that people still have a mentality that if you do not follow what I believe you are wrong. If Adolph Hitler understood genetics and history he would know that he was wrong in believing that there is anything that is pure.
From a pure Pensom Fanatic
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Frankie
69 posts
Feb 01, 2007
10:44 PM
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Nick, i wonder why roller competition is dying out? i said it earlier maybe because of all the new people that might come and do great things with the roller breed or maybe not do great things. my point is there never given a chance to even get their foot in the door before people like you and Scott are slamming the door on them. maybe it's people like you and Scott,Scott,Scott (he likes seeing his name) are driving new members away instead of trying to help them. just a thought maybe you'll think about it for a little while, but i doubt it. Frankie
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nicksiders
1316 posts
Feb 01, 2007
10:44 PM
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Brian,
Its "Nickey". If that "other" breed is going to be "bred" into the BR for the sake of a color "modifier" then that breed is "poop".
If I was a girl I was going to be named Nickey Katherin. I was a 11 lb boy so my parents compromised and named me Nickey Lloyd.....the feminin "ey" stuck.
Weird ain't it?
NICK
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Batlizard
20 posts
Feb 01, 2007
10:45 PM
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Scott, I'm not aware of a 'slobernocker' site. This is, and the nbrc sote are the only that I've visited over the past 3 years. Up to the last year or so, they're the only one's that offered any value to the hobby. However...recently.....
You're sentiments towards what I've written, however, are enough to tell me that you do not wish for me to be here. May we put this up to a vote?
Who wishes for anyone that has any question, aside from performance ONLY, to leave this site permanently....raise your hand. AYE or NAY? LOL!
Seriously....grow up.
Rocky
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Frankie
70 posts
Feb 01, 2007
10:52 PM
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I heard that W@yne hell give me a migraine any day
over what's in that picture!!
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Frankie
71 posts
Feb 01, 2007
10:56 PM
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Scott, thanks again for not disappointing us as usual
you show your true colors. Frankie
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
1117 posts
Feb 01, 2007
11:00 PM
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Oh Nickey, you sly dog, you caught the wiff of my planned angst!!!...lol.
Riddle me this. How many people do you know for a FACT that participate in this forum that are currently crossing another breed of pigeon into their rollers? I've been here for years and I can tell you that I know of no one here who has offered up that they are currently crossing their rollers, other than that one dude who mentioned crossing his rollers with parlors.
If you are going use the past century as your basis, and from that basis claim non crosses are superior in performance, name your betting price and we will go head to head, er, I mean kit to kit. After all, isn't it performance that matters? Or is it just a blood thing for the sake of having blood? Bring the noise if you got it!
Brian
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Frankie
73 posts
Feb 01, 2007
11:08 PM
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yeah nickey bring the noise... bring it.. bring it on!
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Batlizard
21 posts
Feb 01, 2007
11:18 PM
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Wow Brian! Didn't know you could corner such high characters in this forum. Fair enough dual though.
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nicksiders
1317 posts
Feb 01, 2007
11:20 PM
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Frankie,
Scott is often the mentor for new people coming into this roller world of ours. I am sure he has a yard full of kids he mentors.
I have a yard full of kids and new guys into this roller world. I can only talk about my experiences and the truth from how I understand it with them. The kids come back even on the coldest of days.
Mamby-Pamby answers are not Scott's way and he corresponds like Hemmingway wrote....not very flowery and to the point.
It may be I am this way because of my first mentor. He was tough and gruff like a DI and deadly honest, but he has a heart as big as all out doors. He is like an older version Kenny Billings and Scott Campbell. Brian McCormick is just as tough as either one, but he communicates it differently. I disagree with them and I know they disagree with me, but I would trust them with my bank account(but, not my women or my animals-LOL) even as I disagree with them.
This forum does tend to be for performance breeders. Hell, we got ran out of the other forums(LOL). So, you will find a lot of performance only breeders in here.
Gotta learn to look thru these things and gleen the seeds.
I may be a better friend then you realize; I know Scott is.
Nick
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Frankie
75 posts
Feb 01, 2007
11:31 PM
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So Nick I hear what your saying and I respect you
for that. But why is it all of us new people (members)
that's trying to get our foot in the door always
asked just to over look it when ya'll performance
breeders disrespect and slam us. How come ya'll
couldn't become a little more respectful of other
people? Just because they don't believe the way
you believe and think the way you think, doesn't
make them wrong or bad people. Just different.
Frankie
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nicksiders
1318 posts
Feb 01, 2007
11:31 PM
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Brian,
I have been in a loft that an Ice Pigeon was being used for color in rollers. That breeder is well known to many. He is not in this forum. You can see the mongrals being sold on eggbid so somedbody is obviously cross breeding, don't ya think?
You don't have to be Dick Tracey to find it, Brian.
Nick
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Batlizard
22 posts
Feb 01, 2007
11:34 PM
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Nick...
Here's a big HUG!!!!! Just for you. I understand you're a softy when it comes down to it.
Look folks...it's not anyone's jurisdiction as to what someone has or doesn't has. If someone asks a question, it's not an open opportunity to break them down to believing what you believe, and ONLY which you believe.
There are many a fancier out there that have many breeds. Some may be looking at rollers for the first time. Some may be looking for guidance. What do YOU think YOUR words, posted here, will provide them. If you "think" your words are just fine, what if they choose to go a different road? What if they choose backyard flyer vs. competition flyer? What would one say abou the other and those that gave the advice that pushed them to one side or the other.
Sorry to be so wordy...I've just been reading this garbage for too long and I guess I've finally gotten my belly full.
Rocky
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
1119 posts
Feb 01, 2007
11:37 PM
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Nick, when you state "you color breeders" and imply they are crossing other breeds for color in your posts, you insinuate that there are people here who are doing so. Again I ask you to name one with facts. I know people who have crossed rollers too, but they are not on this forum, nor the internet, and so wouldn't be able to weigh in on your opinion of the matter.
If you have some Dick in that Tracy, you should be able to figure out where I am going with this.
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nicksiders
1319 posts
Feb 01, 2007
11:37 PM
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Frankie,
I am not in total disagreement with you. I know that I often get off on the wrong foot with some people in some circumstances. I have evidently done that with you and I honestly apologise for it, but please try to understand where us so called "purists" are coming from. We truly love these stupid little birds for what they are.
Hang in there(and it looks like you have what it takes)
Nick
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nicksiders
1320 posts
Feb 01, 2007
11:47 PM
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Brian,
I cannot name anyone in this forum that I know for a "fact" that are cross breeding. I have not been in everyones loft and the ones that I have visited are not the ones crossing breeds. There are some who like the laces and toy stenciling kinda stuff so I am believing that they may be tempted or have already done it or have purchased from somebody who has done it.....whew-long sentence.
I have been in lofts that have done it and are probably doing it as we speak.....none of which are in this forum.
Nick
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Frankie
76 posts
Feb 01, 2007
11:50 PM
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Rocky, do you have any pictures of your birds... I'd really like to see them if you do. You could post them or send them to my email address which is: frank40@suddenlink.net
Regards, Frankie
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nicksiders
1321 posts
Feb 01, 2007
11:54 PM
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Batlizard,
You are good for this forum......gotta stick around. I know the belly is full right now, but don't forget where the good food is when you get hungry again.
Thanks for the hug.
Nick
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Frankie
77 posts
Feb 02, 2007
12:04 AM
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Nick, i appreciate your apology and I'm sorry if I said anything to offend you. But I was brought up to get respect you have to give it. At least I took some of the heat off Stan the last couple of days ~lol~ But, I truly think you and Scott would serve your rollers better and your performing hobby if you tried a little harder to get along with people especially them just starting out in rollers. no matter what the color of the roller is they might learn or find out just like you say that colored roller don't perform as well as standard colors and decide to go to strictly standard colors. but don't they deserve the chance to decide that on their own? instead of certain people trying to force feed it to them. i understand where your coming from on the rollers but the only chance the rollers have to survive and stay around is for people that truly love them no matter whether it's backyard flyers or people who compete. After all didn't all of you competition people start in the backyard as backyard flyers? just a thought, Frankie
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nicksiders
1322 posts
Feb 02, 2007
2:15 AM
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Frankie,
You have never offended me and Scott will tell you the same I am sure.
Take care.
Nick
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longarm
55 posts
Feb 02, 2007
4:24 AM
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okokok I will admit to it I have crossed my rollers. I took a turner roller and crossed it with a fireball roller and this one time when I was a kid I had rollers and saw a show breed I had to have I put it in my loft and they each breed with a roller the offspring were directly feed to my snakes but it did happen. I have accepted that I have done a great wrong and have mentally prepared my self for the punishment that I am due. If I have a choice I would prefer a fireing squad but only if scott brings his bow as the searing pain of being pierced by a arrow may be the only way in which I can wholeing come to grips with my sins and atone for them in true fashion. LOL Come on guys look at it this way. If a new guy does buy some of these birds you are so afraid of and doesnt like them he will do one of two things either come to the purest society and get new birds or quit. If he quits he didnt have the drive to make the cut anyway. I have had stiffs and sloppy birds that I have tryed out. I was burnt by a "" pure papered pensom guy Im still here. scott had bad color birds he is still here. Scott before you ask why did I cross the turner on a fireball The awnser is simple " to see what would happen" c.j.
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Spud
68 posts
Feb 02, 2007
5:02 AM
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"First off, the roller pigeon is a very hardy breed and provides a wide variety of color. It also provides a newcomer or oldtimer a very solid and sturdy bird that fights off infection and disease easily. Additionally, it provides a newcomer or oldtimer with a bird that raises a number of offspring without any concern with foster parents.
Now, I don't see where the need for flying the bird comes in when the ultimate goal is to sustain the hobby. That's just me. "
WOW, AFTER READING THE ABOVE QUOTE, I UNDERSTAND NOW WHY NICK IS SO UPSET!!! I GET IT You can do the same thing with "commies" why have a performing breed if you don't care about performance!
Spud
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C.J.
914 posts
Feb 02, 2007
5:15 AM
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Gentlemen sometimes it is better to agree to disagree. This colour debate is really getting old. To the guys who hate coloured birds, the "colour breeders" as they have been called get your point. They don't need to be beat over the head with your stance everytime a new post comes out. For the guys who like the coloured birds name callimg is also not permitted by you or anyone else. All fanciers are welcome here. People need to get their points across without attacking another hobbiests character or name. I think that everyone who doesn't understand or know the posting policy of this site needs to reread it. Therefore I have included in my post the posting policy. It goes like this
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It should go without saying that when you hurt the site you hurt Tony's wallet. Contrary to what it seems to be popular belief. This site wasn't put here by luck. It isn't here so people can fullfil their personal agendas. This site is here for EVERYONE. If a question is asked that you feel that you strongly disagree with then please ignore it don't start badgering people about their vision as to what they see as the perfect roller. After all most of us on here are adults and should no better. If you don't then before you post something mean think of how you would feel if it was posted about you. If that doesn't work please think about all of the time and money Tony has invested here. If what you are going to post is going to cause hard f3eelings over something as stupid as the colour of your birds then don't post. Not once on here have I heard of a single person forcing another into switching their birds so just agree to disagee. Everyone one on here knows each sides view. It doesn't need to be constantly shoved down everyone's throats.If when it is all said and done none of the above works think of this last one. If you are in violation of the posting policy Tony can and will remove your posting privileges to this site.
Please make the right choice while the control is still in your hands.
Thank You
C.J.
Site Moderator
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motherlodelofts
1359 posts
Feb 02, 2007
6:23 AM
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Frankie , I'm not here to appease anyone, nor will I surgar coat my opinions to you new guys just so that you can feel warm and fussy inside.
This is a performance breed and nothing else, and much of my energy evolves around this breed , I'm a flyer to the bone and I take this breed and my birds very very serious.
I have no respect for culls and I'll call it such in a heart beat whether it is in my loft or someone elses , that my freind "is" helping the new guys here.
I have helped many both with my own experiance and my birds the same as others did for me , the best advice that I ever got one time was " you gotta get rid of this shit" , I was told that by 5 true blue Roller guys as they stared into my loft.
No I am not soft spoken , maybe too many years in construction with the only break being a stint in the Marine Corp , I dunno, doesnt matter when you are pushing 50 .
I'm just not one to tickle your backside just to make you feel good , I prefere to slap you up the backside of your head method, I'm just funny that way.
Scott
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J_Star
789 posts
Feb 02, 2007
6:28 AM
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It is well known that the new comers to the roller hobby or pigeons in general are attracted to colors. Every one that I talked to who wants to start with rollers always ask for certain colors that he/she wants to acquire. I was one of them, when I wanted to start back with this hobby I was looking for pretty colors so that my wife and kids would approve of them and make the come back to the hobby much easier. That is nothing to be ashamed of. For the most part, that is how the majority of new fanciers are brought in the hobby because no one can deny beauty. We are all suckers for beauty my friends. After time and once new comers start leaving their back yard and visit others loft, they start the comparison between their own birds and the others. Once they see the true performance of the BR in the others loft, they will start to think about performance with their pigeons and how to acquire some of that blood. The true performance of the rollers are undeniable whether color is involved or not.
When I read the posts of the new comers to the hobby on this site, they seem to get offended by the people who talk about the performance of this breed and pushing the color aside since, to them, color is not important at all. The new comers seem to forget that the people on this site been in this hobby for a long time and they learned long ago that dabbling with color will not move their loft forward year after year. The new comers seem to forget that the level of thinking between the long timers of this hobby and the new comers thinking level is not the same. They also seem to forget that the BR pigeon is a performance breed that is judged in the air rather than a show breed judged on the perch.
Fanciers who breed for performance usually cull heavily disregarding color and give no exception to keep a roller on the property because of its beauty. Therefore, what they have is a top notch performance breed. Some birds are exceptional which are in the A team and some that above average which are in the B team. Fanciers, or new comers, who wants fancy colors in their loft, don’t cull any pretty bird because they want to mate it to others to bring that color into their rollers and in their way of thinking they will try to bring the roll back once that certain color is established in their loft.
New comers to this hobby, have their right to experiment with many families of rollers and colors as they wish. Sooner or latter they realize that they were going in a tangent that did not get them to where they want unless if they wish to stay as a backyard flyer who just want pretty pigeons around to enjoy. When I say backyard flyers, I mean that fanciers who like to enjoy their birds and who care or do not care about performance.
When Scott, Nick, Kenny, BMC and others who preach about performance to new comers are really trying to save them many years of wasting time. Because they been there done that. Sooner or later the new comers will visit others loft and realize what the Scotty camp are talking about and they will realize that the Scotty camp meant to help them rather than discourage them from the roller hobby or this site. We performance guys know that new comers are not really cross breeding with other brand of pigeon to acquire color because there are so many crossed rollers around to purchase that have those fancy colors.
The point is that seams to be missed, which the Scotty camp, are preaching is to those feather merchants not to push crap BR that were dabbled with as great spinners and great performance rollers. People and new comers are usually trusting and they will realize that they been had when the true test reveals that what they paid top dollar for was not worth anything. That is not to say there are not good color performers out there. There are a few, and why would their owner wants to sell them??? Why don’t they keep them and try to build on them? New comers need to ask themselves that question. But to justify their color hungry attitude and their inexperience by thinking that the performance loving fanciers are pushing them away is really out of line and ridicules.
For those new comers who keep mentioning or threatening to leave the site every time they disagree or see things differently, I would say this attitude is childish. If you want us to take you folks seriously, then be serious and acknowledge and respect everybody’s opinion and experience. We came along way to tame the purist guys to accept the new comers who are hungry for colors and the color breeders as a whole, so, please don’t push it. This is how I see it and my opinion only. Thanks.
Jay
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longarm
60 posts
Feb 02, 2007
6:34 AM
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j star
well put. I must say that haveing been given a truly great line of rollers as a kid and looking back at how badly I screwed them up I shudder. The time I spent later playing with some not so great lines and trying to push them into working well was some of the most educational times I have had. c.j.
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Missouri-Flyer
188 posts
Feb 02, 2007
6:38 AM
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Good judgement comes from experience, and often experience comes from bad judgement......
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so....
Do you know the difference between education and experience? Education is when you read the fine print; experience is what you get when you don't...Jerry
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Batlizard
23 posts
Feb 02, 2007
8:40 AM
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Hey Spud!
You're absolutely right. That's probably why Nick gets so upset and sets off on this crusade with new thread after new thread, questioning the motives of others and putting himself and a few highly esteemed collegues up on pedistools.
Guess you're right though. Best to shun people that aren't in the hobby for the same reasons you are, than to try and understand, support, and encourage them in any capacity. You're absolutely right.
Rocky
Last Edited by on Feb 02, 2007 9:00 AM
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nicksiders
1328 posts
Feb 02, 2007
9:19 AM
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Hmmmm! Not a compliment is it? I see that the belly is no longer full, Rocky
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Batlizard
24 posts
Feb 02, 2007
9:24 AM
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Hey Nick,
No, I'd say the belly is pretty full right now. I've noticed something and wasn't quite sure how to share it. But here goes.
All these topics of color, and everyone stating that performance is the main goal and that it should be. I have yet to see anyone get past the color of a bird, far enough to the point, that a conversation could even be had about performance. It's a matter of ALL the focus being on the paint job. Even if Frankie wanted to know about performance, there's not a chance in hell that we'd ever get to it because of the picture he posted.
I'm of sound mind and I tell you what. I've got nothing but blue checks, blue bars, red checks, and mealy bars and I'm about to have a date with the dog man over this crap. Spudinsky really has me convinced that I'd be better off with commies, than to try to chase down happiness with this roller pigeon.
Rocky
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
1123 posts
Feb 02, 2007
10:52 AM
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Rocky the reason it doesn't get that far is because it is a battle of wits over blood not performance. The performance doesn't matter to them. If every bird that had color birds in their background were judged by the highest authority as being better than the so called pure birds, they still wouldn't accept it and would continue to beat the tribal drum against their belief against the sinful crossings way back somewhere in time. Kinda silly really, but you learn a lot about people this way.
Jay, good post above.
Brian.
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1063 posts
Feb 02, 2007
10:53 AM
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Hey Rocky, let me say you are welcome to post your opinions, but the truth of the matter is, this site is not only for open discussion regarding performance or color, it is also open for about anything regarding the roller.
If you want to discuss something, start a new thread. It’s amazing how quickly the subject can be changed if you want it to. Some hot topics will never go away. Some will choose to ignore certain kinds of threads or posts others can’t or won’t let it go. So what?
Do you get rid of the TV or Cable because there are programs you do not like? No change the channel or even turn it off or find something you like and enjoy it. LOL
This is just my opinion.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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