MJT1977
1 post
May 22, 2007
10:18 PM
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How can a region with only 23 kits flown get 3 qualifiers?
Isn't there a rule regarding this?
Thanks
Marty
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nicksiders
1720 posts
May 23, 2007
9:28 AM
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Hey Marty,
Noticed it is your first post; welcome to the site.
That is called "ghost kits". You will note that there were kits in that region that didn't fly. They entered them to get more qualifiers....they found a loop hole. Once you have paid for them they are official.
Not good is it? I think the number of qualifiers should be based on the number of kits flown(period) and not the number entered, but that is just one man's opinion.
Again, welcome to the best roller site in the internet.
Nick
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MJT1977
2 posts
May 23, 2007
1:59 PM
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Thanks for the welcome,
Actually been here lurking since almost the beginning.
But, back to the topic at hand. It clearly states in the bylaws of the WC that atleast half of the kits have to fly and this particular region had 23 kits flown including DQ's and 25 DNF's more than half of the kits were never flown. Also it clearly states no Ghost Kits unless it is a new region getting off the ground, but I don't think this region is new by any means.
Marty
Last Edited by on May 23, 2007 2:01 PM
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nicksiders
1725 posts
May 23, 2007
5:38 PM
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Marty,
I haven't looked at the regions yet, but the WC does have a problem if we cannot secure a reason a reason. You need to send this question to the WC Director.
I am not trying to put you off, but there is nothng I can do or say that will answer your question.
Good luck and keep us advised, please.
Nick
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George Ruiz
296 posts
May 23, 2007
6:30 PM
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Entries are paid for in advance if you lose birds and are unable to fly what are you to do ? make magic and find somebirds to fly ?
many people pay for thier entry then later get attacked by preds or have a overfly and dont have a kit to fly .
lets not think people are being dishonest and paying for Ghost kits .
George
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JMUrbon
268 posts
May 23, 2007
6:35 PM
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it is actually not Ghost kits as Nick stated but rather 50% of what you entered. The other kits not flown were due to losses and they do allow for a kit to drop under extenuating circumstances. Heavy preditor loss, overflys, Or some other tragedy being the main reasons. Joe
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Velo99
1114 posts
May 23, 2007
7:41 PM
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It`s about the money to operate the fly. There are a lot of flyers in some regions. It takes a while to judge them all. Expenses are higher. To keep the price per kit down a lot of guys enter two kits with no intention of flying the other.
Personally I feel the 50% rule should be enforced.If you enter two kits you should have two kits to fly even if one is crap. In the event one is lost or decimated by the preds the other is still there as a backup. The rule is abided by and everyone is happy except the fourth place guy.
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fhtfire
999 posts
May 23, 2007
9:28 PM
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I am sure that the ghost kits do happen in some regions...but I Know that in our region...some of our fliers dropped below the minimum and could not even fly there first kit do to hawk losses. Steve Bills lost his last bird that dropped him to 14 about a week before the fly. I almost did not have enough birds myself..I had to fly 2 07 birds in my B-team....but...it is about expense...I am not going to put up my second team...if they really suck and fuel is 3.25 a gallon...and have the judge drive back to my house to look up at the sky at NOTHING..LOL...
It is all about self ruling....there is no way to really police it.
rock and ROLL
Paul
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knaylor
487 posts
May 23, 2007
9:47 PM
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...I am not going to put up my second team...if they really suck and fuel is 3.25 a gallon...and have the judge drive back to my house to look up at the sky at NOTHING..LOL... WHAT??????
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W@yne
455 posts
May 23, 2007
10:09 PM
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Our
Petrol and diesel is $10 dollars a gallon your money,
£5 our money.
I think if that happened over there they would be a mass war.
Rip off England and you wonder why we all drive small economical 50+ to the gallon cars lol. ps MJT1977
Welcome to the site.
Regards
W@yne uk
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Last Edited by on May 23, 2007 10:11 PM
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MJT1977
3 posts
May 23, 2007
10:13 PM
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I guess my point is this, it is a "competition". Look at it this way a region can actually have 28 paying kits, say they only have 14 total fliers, all 28 kits are flown. Guess what, they only get 1 qualifier. However another region can have 48 kits payed for and only 23 even fly a kit, 25 DNF and they get 3 qualifiers, something isn't right here!! Also it clearly states in the bylaws that atleast 50% of the kits must be flown and in this regions case it didn't happen. It is also imperative to the way voting on major issues regarding the WC fly rules go. The region with 28 kits flown gets 1 vote by their RD, while the region with 23 kits flown gets 3 votes per issue, unfair again.
Marty
Last Edited by on May 23, 2007 10:14 PM
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dave
311 posts
May 23, 2007
11:34 PM
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...If a flyer has paid for a kit or kits but due to circumstances is unable to fly he must notify the judge as to the reason, or his paid kit or kits cannot be used for the number of kits for a fly-off representative.
Marty, that part of the by-law allows kit(s) that were paid for to count if the flier has a legit reason not to fly. Yes, I know you are gonna say, but the next line says 50% of the kits got to fly. Okay, so my response would be then why have the above in the by-law. Let's throw that part out and then there will be no confusion on anyone's part. It also states that they notify the judge and not the WC committee or the GC so the call is up to the judge to make.
What do you do when guys paid money to enter their kits and then they get their birds stolen? They paid in good faith to fly but due to unseen circumstances they couldn't. So you penalize them for it?
I will be raising some homers for next year so when we go around, I'll just release some for the guy that couldn't fly cause he got his birds stolen or the guy that is down to 5 birds from 3 full kits. I think that will make everyone happier and I will get my homers back, lol. Better yet, we will just have a DQ next to their name as that will be easier to do than to tell the truth as to why they couldn't fly.
Here's another question: If for some reason the person that pays for a kit(s) can not fly, will the WC refund their money back to them?
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J_Star
932 posts
May 24, 2007
5:40 AM
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You pay to play...if you cannot play due to any circumstances, then consider it a donation and move on...This is the way it should be.
The rule is not clear and allows for misinterpretation and misused by others.
I agree with Nick, ghost kits should be disallowed under any circumstances because they are unfair. Someone might get smart and fly a kit of homers just to add the extra kits needed. That is also should be clearly disallowed.
Jay
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turkey buzzard
1 post
May 24, 2007
6:35 AM
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This has already been brought up and will be discussed after the WC is over with the Regional Directors. It's some thing that has been going on for some time and just caught Dave's eye (WC Corrdinator). We have a region with 30 paid kits, from 15 fliers. Only 13 kits were flown, 1 flier told the judge he had his kit stolen, the other flier stated he had predator problems. They did get two qulaifiers. I believe what will happen is that is you will no longer be able to enter 30 kits and have 15 DNF. Others have stated that they will just let 1 bird out so it's not a DNF. It all dosen't make since but maybe it does need to be fixed.
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Otis
27 posts
May 24, 2007
7:17 AM
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You guys need to look at the big picture! We are being challenged on all fronts in this sport. Both of our big flys are in serious jeopardy due to the constantly decreasing entrants and the overt preditor losses those remaining are subjected to! Gripes about ghost kits and DNF's are a shear waste of time discussing when guys pay hard earned money to insure another qualifier for thier region. So what! This is a competition, put up the best kit and it shouldn't matter worth a damn to anyone anyway. Oh yeah Marty, welcome to the list! Otis
Last Edited by on May 24, 2007 7:20 AM
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MJT1977
4 posts
May 24, 2007
9:39 AM
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Damn I just wrote a nice long reply and it didn't post! Now I have to rewrite it.
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knaylor
488 posts
May 24, 2007
9:41 AM
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That rule was to get rid of the ghost fliers not ghost kits. The ghost kits are there to fund the w/c. get rid of them and the w/c will cost way to much!!
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MJT1977
5 posts
May 24, 2007
9:53 AM
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Ok so here goes a second time.
"We are being challenged on all fronts in this sport. Both of our big flys are in serious jeopardy due to the constantly decreasing entrants and the overt preditor losses those remaining are subjected to! Gripes about ghost kits and DNF's are a shear waste of time discussing when guys pay hard earned money to insure another qualifier for thier region."
This is were I disagree "extra" qualifiers shouldn't be bought and why should a region get to spend their "hard earned" money for another qualifier. That right there tells me fliers are buying their way into the finals. Granted the kit still has to perform well but still.
Also the whole idea of we need people to buy kits to be able to pay for the regional fly-off is BS. Take for example the North Central West region. 16 paying kits covering 3 states, with over 350 miles in between kits when gas is $3.35/gal, compared to the region in question 48 paying kits covering 1 state????? Thats not hard to figure out.
Earlier it was stated that numbers are decling and we need to to whatever possible. While I agree that we should do as much possible I don't beleive it should be done to the point of compromising the WC Fly. Also I don't agree the WC is losing fliers I think just the opposite. Maybe the WC is getting to big. With the additions of other countries the last few years maybe we have to slow done and go back to continental flys or something. Flying a judge across big water is not cheap at all.
Well this is an condensed version of what I wrote earlier and was lost but I would like to keep discussing this because obviously there is a wording issue and it needs to be fixed.
Marty
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Otis
28 posts
May 24, 2007
10:20 AM
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You Forgot!........... "This is a competition"! And as KNaylor wrote. This can't be run without funding....right? How is this a compromise when the best kit does win. So they have 3 apples and you only have 1, be the 1 and your problem is solved. Stop the crying about the rules, they do work! And if that doesn't satisfy you try being the coordinator and figure out how to pay for things without the "extra qualifiers"! So now you want to dump the WC and go to a continental fly? Make up your mind Marty, it ain't broke! Otis
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MJT1977
6 posts
May 24, 2007
10:43 AM
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" "This is a competition"! And as KNaylor wrote. This can't be run without funding....right?"
This is one of my points do we keep things as they are and ruin the integrity of the WC Fly or do we look at some things very hard and decide what to do about it. Also what is going on in a region if they can pay for 48 kits but "aren't able to fund" there regional, while a region like North Central West can do it albeit with 16 paying kits??
Marty
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Otis
29 posts
May 24, 2007
10:49 AM
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"Ruin the integrity" ....because a region has more qualifiers? Please.....have you ever thought..maybe they have more people too!LOL Otis
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MJT1977
7 posts
May 24, 2007
11:00 AM
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"Stop the crying about the rules, they do work! And if that doesn't satisfy you try being the coordinator and figure out how to pay for things without the "extra qualifiers"!"
So I guess anytime a rule is discussed that is crying. Hell it was admitted there was an issue going on and they were going to look into to it. Like I said before this has nothing to do with being a coordinator. When rules are broken are we supposed to look the other way just because they bring money to the table, that right the will be the down fall of the WC if that happens.
Marty
Last Edited by on May 24, 2007 11:01 AM
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MJT1977
8 posts
May 24, 2007
11:06 AM
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"Please.....have you ever thought..maybe they have more people too!LOL"
Qualifiers aren't based on population they are based on # of kits! Here is my whole point: 50% of the kits entered weren't flown, they didn't even fly enough for 2 qualifiers let alone 3. But hey California has a lot of people in the state they can have more qualifiers!!
Marty
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dave
313 posts
May 24, 2007
12:34 PM
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How many kits have to be flown to get one qualifier? It is 15 correct. So only 8 people have to fly and the rest don't have to fly to get 1 qualifier?
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MJT1977
9 posts
May 24, 2007
1:14 PM
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"How many kits have to be flown to get one qualifier? It is 15 correct. So only 8 people have to fly and the rest don't have to fly to get 1 qualifier?"
If I understand your question right. For every 15 kits entered the region recieves 1 qualifier. In this case of the 48 paying kits on 23 were "put in the air" flown including DQ's. 25 kits were not flown(DNF) which clearly doesn't follow the 50% rule in the by-laws. There is a lot a gray in this area. Just like a few years back in regards to the amount of birds released rule. Rules were loopholed therefore the WC commitee reworded the by-laws to more clearly state what 95% of fliers actually interpreted them as.
MARTY
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knaylor
489 posts
May 24, 2007
3:15 PM
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Marty, the way the rules is stated(and I was on the committee when the rule was put into place) if you have a legit reason that you cant fly then it still counts as a kit being flown. Now each region charges what ever they want to fly. also for every kit entered they must send in $15 to the w/c to cover the costs of the finals. Now the smaller regions do not support themself. The bigger regions put enough into the kitty so the fly can happen. Now if we eliminate the bigger regions then the price will go up so much thet no one will be able to afford this. An example is the three regions up here in N.Calif. We send in a little over $1700 to the w/c and it only cost around $250 to judge the finals of these three regions. Also if you dont theink that the Rd's arent taking money out of their own pockets to make these regional flys happen you are WRONG!!
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dave
315 posts
May 24, 2007
3:29 PM
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Marty, clearly you are stuck on the 50% rule and I see your point of view. Now, how about the part about the flier having a legit excuse and if he tells the judge and the judge okays it, their unflown kit(s) does not count against their region for the qualifier(s). So is this rule no good?
Also, you didn't answer my question about a region having 15 kits paid and only 8 kits flown and 7 DNF's. It takes 15 kits to have one quailifier so do they get their quailifier?
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Velo99
1118 posts
May 24, 2007
3:54 PM
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Kevin,
In answer to your post. The hard luck story dnf is a direct result of the ghost kit. If a guy pays for two kits he should have two kits to fly. If not,it isnt a donation it is fraud cuase you don`t have the birds you said you did when you filled out the entry form which is a contract to abide by the rules of the WC as a participant in the fly.
As far as that goes, I was told a long time ago by several veterans it is up to the individual flyers to "take care of" the judge while he was "in my possession". Transportation is usually a relay system of sorts.
Like Jay said if ya wanna play ya gotta pay. How many of you golfers drop at least 50 bux a pop to go play golf two or three times a month? It is a question of priorities within the ranks of flyers. I dont think that many regions are over 40 bux per entry. Throw that in with a couple of meals and a motel room ya might be looking at $150.00 $175.00 to fly in the one and only World Cup Roller Pigeon Fly. If you get something out of it besides a warm fuzzy it sin`t a donation it is a payoff.
My region has 8-9 flyers. We get one qualifier even if we did the ghost kit thing,one qualifier. It isnt fair to us as a small region for another region to buy qualfiers because it is allowed by the WC. It really sticks in my craw when they have basically bought a qualifying position by not fulfilling the conditions set forth by the WC. They get off scot free. I think the GC should act now before they fly in the finals and put a stop to this foolishness once and for all. Inaction is passive support.
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Last Edited by on May 24, 2007 4:09 PM
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knaylor
490 posts
May 24, 2007
4:03 PM
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Kenny, you are way off base!! I have been a W/C RD for the past 7 years, and was the Co-GC for two years I know all about the rules and the way it works. Its not up to the flyers to handle the judge it is the RD's responsiblity. Not only ine the qualifier but the finals. Now if the flyers want to help out the Rd and offer then that is great. We charge $50 in this region and have a very hard time getting guys to fly. How involved are you with the whole W/C, to really see the whole picture??
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Velo99
1119 posts
May 24, 2007
4:11 PM
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Kevin
Had a puter glitch re read my post and respond again.
BTW if you do all the foot work you are not "directing" you are doing. You direct the region and handle the arrangements. It is up to the flyers to make it happen.
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knaylor
491 posts
May 24, 2007
4:11 PM
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My region has 8-9 flyers. We get one qualifier even if we did the ghost kit thing,one qualifier. It isnt fair to us as a small region for another region to buy qualfiers because it is allowed by the WC. It really sticks in my craw when they have basically bought a qualifying position by not fulfilling the conditions set forth by the WC. They get off scot free. I think the GC should act now before they fly in the finals and put a stop to this foolishness once and for all. Inaction is passive support.
So you want to change the rules in the middle of the fly?? Also why punish the regions that have more flyers?
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knaylor
492 posts
May 24, 2007
4:14 PM
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As far as that goes, I was told a long time ago by several veterans it is up to the individual flyers to "take care of" the judge while he was "in my possession". Transportation is usually a relay system of sorts.
Kenny it is up to the RD to make sure the fly is ran properly. There for the Rd should take the judge around and see every kit. If this is not happeneing then in my opinion the RD is not doing his job.
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knaylor
494 posts
May 24, 2007
4:19 PM
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BTW if you do all the foot work you are not "directing" you are doing. You direct the region and handle the arrangements. It is up to the flyers to make it happen.
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Look in the bylaws to see what the RD's job is??
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MJT1977
10 posts
May 24, 2007
4:21 PM
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"Also if you dont theink that the Rd's arent taking money out of their own pockets to make these regional flys happen you are WRONG!!"
I know RD's spend their own money I was a RD for 3 years. And I understand that the bigger regions support more of the fly overall BUT why have a rule in place and not enforce it? Why don't we just have each region have their own fundraisers throughout the year and come regional time base your qualifiers on the amount of money each region raises?? Thats all we are doing now! Its just seems like wool is being pulled over the eyes right now. You can't tell me fliers can put up huge scores with obvious quality birds but when it comes time to fly kit #2 none of them are flown, because of predator losses, come on now.
Marty
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Velo99
1120 posts
May 24, 2007
4:25 PM
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Kevin
Thats why we do what we have to. I paid $40.00. Put the judge up in a motel,fed him til he was about to pop.
The RD was here,he flys after me.I am pretty sure he was at 4 other flyers places as well. He is in contact frequently throughout the fly from the beginning,calling the flyers and updating the scores,asking questions and directing the fly. I felt he did an exemplary job. He also informed me the RD job is rotational and I am the new guy so.......
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MJT1977
11 posts
May 24, 2007
4:27 PM
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"So you want to change the rules in the middle of the fly?? Also why punish the regions that have more flyers?"
I think what Kenny means, and correct me Kenny if I'm wrong, is that we are not changing the rules just enforce them.
Marty
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Velo99
1121 posts
May 24, 2007
4:29 PM
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There it is.
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MJT1977
12 posts
May 24, 2007
4:31 PM
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Dave you said:
"Also, you didn't answer my question about a region having 15 kits paid and only 8 kits flown and 7 DNF's. It takes 15 kits to have one quailifier so do they get their quailifier?"
The answer is easy yes, they flew atleast 50% of the kits they entered.
Marty
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Velo99
1122 posts
May 24, 2007
4:36 PM
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Kevin,
Its no wonder the RD has to do all the work if all the flyer has to do is open the kitbox. You guys told me,when I first started,if I wanted to play I had to do whatever I had to do to get a chance to fly. Be it driving 300 miles last year,arranging air travel and reservations for the finals judge,taxi service as well as host.
I really don`t care for your insinuation as a small region we don`t carry our weight.
The judge was taken care of in stellar fashion here. In addition the same judge was on a 4-5 state tour and we co ordinated with other regions to make his trip as smooth and comfortable as possible. If the flyers aren`t helping you out, shame on them.
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MJT1977
13 posts
May 24, 2007
4:47 PM
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KNaylor:
"Kenny it is up to the RD to make sure the fly is ran properly. There for the Rd should take the judge around and see every kit. If this is not happeneing then in my opinion the RD is not doing his job."
Tell me how many RD's could take 10-14 days off of work to be with the judge for the whole fly. The North Central West region is so spread out it takes 10-14 days to fly 15-16 fliers. Unless the RD is retired I don't think many RD's could do this. In the Cali regions or the condensed regions yes maybe this is feasible but not around here.
Marty
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knaylor
495 posts
May 24, 2007
5:20 PM
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Marty, if you knew what you are talking about you would understand that the rules are being followed. With what you guys are saying is shows that you do not really know tha tmuch about this fly and how it is ran.
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knaylor
496 posts
May 24, 2007
5:23 PM
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I really don`t care for your insinuation as a small region we don`t carry our weight.
The judge was taken care of in stellar fashion here. In addition the same judge was on a 4-5 state tour and we co ordinated with other regions to make his trip as smooth and comfortable as possible. If the flyers aren`t helping you out, shame on them.
Kenny if it cost the W/C $300 to judge your regions finals and your region only pays $200 to the W/C for entries how are you pulling your own weight?? This is a fact that most small regions dont pay for themselves. Also not all regions are ran the same way. The Rd job is not rotation. Actually is is supposed to be voted on by the flyers each year.
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Velo99
1123 posts
May 24, 2007
5:36 PM
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Naylor,
Here is a fact. 26 regions have reported. 210 ghost kits were entered in the WC.That mean 14 qualifiers were bought and paid for by ghost kits. That is a almost whole region.You seem to think this isnt a problem. Average of 8 ghost kits per region reporting as of today.
Out of all 26 regions reporting only one hasn`t met the 50 percent quota. Now tell me this is fair to the other 25 who have followed the rules. If thats the case I`ll enter 5 kits next year.
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knaylor
497 posts
May 24, 2007
5:41 PM
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Kenny I would suggest that you go the the w/c website and read all the rules. Once you do and understand them then you will see that the regions are following the rules. The pay for 2 kits and fly one is there so there can be a w/c fly. Its that plaine and simple. This thing has to be paid for one way or another. If you charge the flyers too mush they wont fly. Now if you are going to be an Rd next year then you will be on the committee and will have one vote towards w/c issues. Hopefully you will see the big picture on this..
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MJT1977
15 posts
May 24, 2007
5:51 PM
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KNAylor you wrote:
" Marty, if you knew what you are talking about you would understand that the rules are being followed. With what you guys are saying is shows that you do not really know tha tmuch about this fly and how it is ran."
Wait a minute here what am I getting wrong with this rule right here:
(Each region must FLY a MINIMUM of 50 percent of the kits ENTERED for each fly-off representative, (an example is: 8 flyers paying for 2 kits each equals 16 kits which equal one fly-off representative, 15 flyers paying 2 kits equals 2 fly-off representatives, etc.) no region may pay for any ghost flyers, and each region must turn in a fly report for that region signed by the judge to the GC prior to their finals, in order to maintain the INTEGRITY of the WC on this issue.)
The first sentence states 50% of the kits entered must be FLOWN and they weren't!!!!! What hidden message am I missing in this rule copied straight from the WC site.
Marty
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Velo99
1124 posts
May 24, 2007
5:53 PM
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The region is NOT following the rule if it got 3 qualifers for 23 kits flown period.
It is a rules violations. 25 other regions managed to stay within the rules. So now we have to give special consideration because they got caught with their pants down?
If you want I can paste it in here and show everyone.
I suggest you quit patronizing me with your read the rules remark. I really resent your superior attitude. What I see here is your interpretation of the rules.
Where do you get your figures as to how much it costs the WC to judge in my region. We paid our fees just like the rst of you and made up the difference out of our pockets. I don`t see how it could cost the WC a dime since the regions pay for all of the expenses. Show me!!
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knaylor
499 posts
May 24, 2007
5:58 PM
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Marty, why are you only posting part of that rule?? Here I will post the entire rule so you can see what it says..
I. A region must enter a minimum of 15 paid kits to qualify as an independent entity. At the discretion of the particular region, a flyer may enter a maximum of 2 kits composed of completely different birds as long as other flyers are not disadvantaged by the schedule. Each flyer is allowed to pay and fly 2 kits but each flyer must fly at least one kit out of the 2 entered. If a flyer has paid for a kit or kits but due to circumstances is unable to fly he must notify the judge as to the reason, or his paid kit or kits cannot be used for the number of kits for a fly-off representative. Each region must fly a minimum of 50 percent of the kits entered for each fly-off representative, (an example is: 8 flyers paying for 2 kits each equals 16 kits which equal one fly-off representative, 15 flyers paying 2 kits equals 2 fly-off representatives, etc.) no region may pay for any ghost flyers, and each region must turn in a fly report for that region signed by the judge to the GC prior to their finals, in order to maintain the integrity of the WC on this issue. The only variance to the minimum of one kit flown for two kits paid by each flyer shall be for the new and or the smaller regions which cannot meet the required number of kits required for the first qualifier so that we can promote growth, with the approval of the GC these regions must have a minimum of 6 actual flyers entering 12 kits and buying 3 kits for a maximum of 2 years, any regions not obeying this shall face possible expulsion from future flys. One fly-off representative is granted for the first 15 kits entered plus another for additional 15 kits up to a maximum of 5 total. The Regional Director also gets one World Cup Committee vote for each fly-off representative and may distribute the votes as he wishes. This policy encourages growth of a region until it becomes so large that it should split.
If a flyer has paid for a kit or kits but due to circumstances is unable to fly he must notify the judge as to the reason, or his paid kit or kits cannot be used for the number of kits for a fly-off representative.
Did you read this part???
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knaylor
500 posts
May 24, 2007
6:00 PM
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Kenny, 23X2=46 1 qualifier for every 15 kits entered. 15 x 3=45 50% of 46 is 23. How did they not follow the rule?? Read the rule I just posted and tell me where they went wrong???
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knaylor
501 posts
May 24, 2007
6:10 PM
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Kenny, it takes 15 kits for one qualifier. Your region only flew 13 lits I guess we shouldnt go to your region for the finals???
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MJT1977
16 posts
May 24, 2007
6:11 PM
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Naylor
The way you are reading it is the same as the guys that were releasing 18 birds, 2 didn't kit, so they release another 2 birds that kit before time-in and say they still have 18 in their kit, with no outbirds. BS
You can have a rule 16 pages long and if it states anywhere in that rule that 50% of the kits must be flown, then no matter what goes down by the end of the fly you still have to go back to this: 50% of the kits entered must fly! Plain and simple.
Marty
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