rollerman132
114 posts
Jun 19, 2007
7:23 PM
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With all that has happened with the usfws, do you think the trust will ever return? Will we have to run some type of background check (who do you know, and how long have thy known you) on everyone who wants to see our birds fly?
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Santandercol
1183 posts
Jun 19, 2007
8:10 PM
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Keep it legal and no worries mate.
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Kelly
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rollerman132
115 posts
Jun 19, 2007
8:27 PM
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Always have Kelly, just wondering how others feel about things.
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nicksiders
1793 posts
Jun 19, 2007
9:56 PM
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I am as open as I ever was and I am still promoting the hobby and inviting everyone to my backyard. We do not have to scurry around to find a hiding place. This hobby is an old and honorable hobby.
The NBRC has to open everything backup; we all have to come out of our hiding places. I am going to start a roller club and put ads in the paper for it. It is not a secret organization or something that has to be kept underground. I am going to give talks at local clubs and schools. There is nothing illegal or chicken shit about what we do. It is a time honored hobby and activity; what in hell are we hiding from anyway...........snap out of it!
Nick
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Snicker Rollers
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Santandercol
1185 posts
Jun 19, 2007
10:25 PM
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That's how I feel Nick.Nothing to hide.People love to see my birds fly.Even the attacks by BOPs are something to see,sad mind you but the chase ,the avoidance ability of what I consider the best fliers is quite amazing.I'm always inviting passers by into the yard to see.
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Kelly
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TRIPP
46 posts
Jun 20, 2007
4:50 AM
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Hey Nick I would like to be the first to join your club please let me know how I can help you get this started I think that it would be great to have a club right here in Memphis as it is I have to drive to corinth Ms. Just to race my hommers and I may not be doing that anymore so anything I can do to help you get this jump started I do not mind!!
Thanks Tripp
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J_Star
1042 posts
Jun 20, 2007
6:08 AM
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Not until you get robbed of your life work or get into trouble with the law due to someone you trusted into your back yard. Once either of this happens to you, you will look at it for a different direction. Talk is cheap gentlemen…
Jay
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Santandercol
1188 posts
Jun 20, 2007
6:39 AM
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Paranoia is brought on by doing things we shouldn't be doing.If you have to live where there are thieves,lock it up.
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Kelly
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J_Star
1047 posts
Jun 20, 2007
8:37 AM
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Eazier said than done. When you get hit you will know. You don't have to do someting illegal to have paranoia, some of your backyard visitors will call the health department or the city inspectors just for the hell of it. Now you have an issue, deal with it and they sit in the background watching acting concerned.
Jay
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
1416 posts
Jun 20, 2007
10:45 AM
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Jay, he's one of "those guys" so you won't be able to convince him of anything. He hasn't been hit or had the problems that others have. Ignore him and his holier than thou approach. I wouldn't expect more from a Senators fan (lol)
To answer the question, most people around here that I know of have stopped letting people they don't know into the yard. Too many theives and now we have LEOs playing games. If I don't know you, you won't be coming into my yard. Pay my mortgage and my feed bill then a person can comment about what I should be doing.
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rollerman132
117 posts
Jun 20, 2007
11:58 AM
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In the past all we had to weary about was thieves, now we have snitches lurking in the shadows waiting to put the finger on you about something. The sport is a changing, I hope not for the worst.I guess if you cant beat them in the air,snitch them out on the ground.
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nicksiders
1797 posts
Jun 20, 2007
1:16 PM
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If you don't have nothing to snitch about, then why worry about snitches......? I don't ask and I don't tell(Clinton had the answer).
Now, if you do have something to snitch about; you should worry. Some of my friends and relatives need to worry about snitches, but I am holy-er than thou.....I think; well, maybe.......oh, hell I don't know.
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Flyin Hawaiian
174 posts
Jun 20, 2007
1:37 PM
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Hey Guys,
I haven't said a whole lot but I guess I am a gluten for punishment. What I see here happening is a few guys have taken the fall for the whole hobby in general and I see a bunch of you guys retreating like a bunch of wuzzys! This isn't the time to run from the enemy but a time to join hands shoulder to shoulder and support the individuals who are being looked at. I'm not condoning these allocations but I am totally appauld at what I thought and envisioned as a brother hood in roller flyers to which I stand corrected and understand that to many ride the fence here. We need those that believe in the dream that there can be a means of coexistance without taking the road to distruction. If you all think that your stand of being the innocent by stander is going to keep things flowing smoothly you are badly mistaken because you haven't got a glue as to what the implications are that will be affecting you as well. Think about it gentlemen you are not void of anything accept $$$$$$$!!!!!. Some of us are paying and what are you guys doing??? Stress, Money, and public Embarassment its a shameful situation. I don't wish this stress on my worst enemy. Will thier be any trust again I doubt it and those that say they have nothing to hide you better think that again before opening your mouth to insert your foot!!!
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1404 posts
Jun 20, 2007
2:43 PM
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The seams are starting to split..."I ain't gonna lie to you, it ain't purty"...Thumper to Bambi after Bambi was stuck by a porcupine and wanted to know the damage.
Nice to hear from you Flyin Hawaiian. Take care.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
Check Out Our Pigeon Supply Store
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nicksiders
1800 posts
Jun 20, 2007
3:10 PM
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Thank you, Ivan.......very good post.
I just don't think we should just shrink away and hide from the outside world. He are the world and what we do for a hobby is more than honorable and is not illegal. It will never be immoral.
We have to put faces on the hobby and step out there for everyone to see. That is all I am trying to say. I will attempt to do my part by the development of a local club and offer various clubs and schools in the area a look see at our hobby. It is something that I did not do in the past for one reason or another, but I am coming out of my desire to be a recluse in my private life..
Nick
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ROLLERMAN
133 posts
Jun 20, 2007
3:10 PM
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Its a saying as old as time
If more then one person knows some thing its no longer a secret And now lose lips dont sink shipsany more but they will sure get you in some deep do do in this day and age
you dont share any info that can get you in trouble with any one.......
al
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Otis
33 posts
Jun 21, 2007
12:43 PM
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Hey Ivan, Good to see you post again! Not many know the stress and anguish you and yours are experiencing right now. Please rest assured that there are those who have total empathy for what you are dealing with, and who will resurface to call an outrage to what occurred to you and many of our roller brothers. It wasn't right, it was lowdown and dirty and a warning would have sufficed had there not been some profit motive involved. Remember it's not over til it's over and most astute judges can spot a scam and some of it's governing authorities abusing it's citizenry. Don't give up! Never! Otis
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Santandercol
1190 posts
Jun 22, 2007
7:27 PM
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Brian and Ivan,
Sorry if I have caused some ill will here.Some may take my comments to be on the caustic side but it's not my intent to offend you guys in any way.I realize life in the city is very different from where I live,never take my keys out of the truck 'cept when I go to the big island and don't even know if we have any house keys>?Lots of coops and henerys tho 14 06 birds left out of 45.so don't kid yourself,I get hit lots.Don't know what you mean when you say "one of those guys".I'm just a regular asshole but I ain't no rat.
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Kelly
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kcfirl
127 posts
Jun 24, 2007
8:28 AM
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Ivan,
I don't understand your post at all. What is all this running and hiding you are talking about? What is the support that you suggest the fancy should provide?
Thanks,
Ken
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Missouri-Flyer
637 posts
Jun 24, 2007
8:42 AM
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"What I see here happening is a few guys have taken the fall for the whole hobby in general and I see a bunch of you guys retreating like a bunch of wuzzys!"
Ivan,
If this statement from you is true, then does that mean that the many,many,many arrest's that I have made over the years for DWI's, does that mean that the drunks that were taken to jail were standing up for all drunks? If so, then I am glad that I am not part of that "brotherhood".
It is my belief that no-one can and will force anything onto me, or anyone else. If a person breaks the law, no matter how minor the action, then my theory is to stand up without complaining, and take YOUR punishment..I NEVER want anyone to fall for something that I have done..I will stand and fight for myself, if I get myself into a jam.
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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Velo99
1192 posts
Jun 24, 2007
9:13 AM
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Ivan,
I really don`t appreciate being painted with the broad brush of all roller guys are hawk killers as you implied.I didn`t kill,harrass,or otherwize disturb a BOP. In fact because of this bullshit I had to dismantle my fly pen and add dowel doors to my kitboxes.
I did this because of a comment made by another fancier to it a while back. "Whats that? A hawk trap?"
I don`t even want them to have any reason to accuse me. So don`t think for a second this hasn`t affected everyone in the hobby.
It was a sad day for me when I had to look at my yard from the game wardens perspective.
You know what really sucks about the whole thing?
I DIDN`T DO SHIT!!!
Neither did the majority of other flyers.
With this in mind bro,just how are we supposed to help you?
Another old adage my Mom used to tell me. "Play with shit and you`re gonna get it on ya."
Need some toilet paper?
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V99
Flippin`The Bird!
http://www.bluedotloft.50megs.com
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
54 posts
Jun 24, 2007
9:20 AM
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HEY JERRY''MISSOURI FLYER''
ON UR POST UR ABSOLUTELY RIGHT I LOVE MY CASUAL AFTER WORK DRINKING AND IF I GET STOPPED AND GET CHARGED FOR D.W.I.WELL IT WAS MY FAULT AND IM TO BLAME AND NOBODY ELSE..!!!
I GOT BUSTED RED HANDED WELL TUFF..GO TO JAIL AND PAY MY FINE..AND DONT BLAME ANYBODY ELSE BUT MY SELF..
SO IN OTHER WORDS U GET BUSTED DONT BLAME ANYBODY ELSE BUT UR SELF..!!! ANYBODY IS WELCOME TO VISIT ME I DONT HAVE ANYTHING ILLEGAL ON MY BIRDS OR KIT BOXES..
RUDY
JERRY GIVE ME A CALL.
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nicksiders
1813 posts
Jun 24, 2007
11:57 AM
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My initial empathy was for those charged. Those that are falsly acussed I continue to have empathy for and will do whatever asked to help them, I just don't know what that is until asked. Those that are guilty did not do it for the hobby and they didn't take one for the rest of us; they did it for themselves and the presurvation of their own operation. It had nothing to do with me or anyone else. I too, have lost birds to them damn hawks and falcons and my clapping and shouting to ward them off and scare them away may be considered harrassment, but I don't think so.
Rudy, Jerry, Kenny, point taken. My first knee-jerk reation was to get all up in arms for my fellow hobbiests some of them I knew and are my friends, but they had choices as I had choices.
Nick
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rollerpigeon1963
168 posts
Jun 24, 2007
2:35 PM
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Ivan,
I bit my tongue on this topic as long as I could. What you have typed here on a open forum for the entire world to see is wrong and not correct.
You stated you are gluten for punishment well all I can say you brought it on yourself here and now you want to blame the rest of the hobby for your law breaking act. You said you and a few guys have taken the fall for the whole hobby in general. So you are admitting guilt here on a open forum? and you are pointing fingers that everyone in this hobby is a BOP killer? man this smells bad. Are you rolling over on others that didn't break the law or didn't get caught? That statement is what peta uses when they talk about people who own gamefowl. If you own gamefowl your a cockfighter!! And you are breaking the law!!! how far fetched.....
And when you say enemy who are you talking about? if I don't break the law then why do I have an enemy? I didn't have a enemy with PETA/HSUS/AR's of any sort until this had happen. Now they will be watching me and others because of what has happen with a few guys. So is that fair to me and the others? I know if we didn't do nothing then we don't have to worry about nothing. But now certain people will be looking at certain areas of city ordinance's and so forth. And then some will be faced with things they never would have been faced with until this happened. Now who's fault is that?
About coexistance I believe its being done everyday maybe not in your back yard but I know it is in others.
"If you think that your stand of being the innocent by stander is going to keep things flowing smoothly you are badly mistaken" Yes it is because of what some have done and now what some is posting in a public forum. You said we are not void of anything accept $$$$$$. So are you asking for money to sponsor or support you? and if thats a yes we are suppose to support the idea that your breaking the law? Now where will that put us? You said some of us are paying and what are you guys doing? If your paying is it your fault? Did you break the law? are you being charged of breaking the law? Now about the implications, are these being brought on because of what some have done?
So now some guys might loose there rights to own birds in certain cities because what has happen. Even if they are proven innocent or guilty.
Now if you live in a city that don't allow birds and you have them anyways and then on top of that being watched for harrassing BOP. You don't think that will stand out? I know other cities already are looking into there city ordenance's about keeping pigeons. With all this publicity you don't think some will loose there hobby because of a few others.
Now I'm not saying anyone done anything that was against the law. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty but when one comes on a open forum and talks like this all this tells me is someone feels they might be in a little trouble. Knowning this site was being watched for statements by roller guys for wrong doing I think that was a wrong move!!!!!
Ivan I can't believe you did this! And like you said is there any trust left well I'm glad I'm not on the west coast.
Brian
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Richard
14 posts
Jun 27, 2007
4:52 PM
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Well guys I guess it is time for us all to put our heads in the ground like an ostrich and hope it will blow away. It is a crying shame that we and our birds have no rights. All can run and hide it makes no difference to me as I am getting out of the hobby slowly. United we stand otherwise you figure it out. Flyin Hawaiian is not admitting any thing. Go your seperate ways and we, I should say you will have no hobby. Mark my word. The cattle men in the norther states stuck to gether and now they can live with the wolves. There is nothing wrong with that
Richard
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Missouri-Flyer
658 posts
Jun 27, 2007
5:24 PM
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Hey Richard,
Not sure about the running or hiding stuff. I will continue to raise, train, and fly MY birds just the way I have the past few years, and the years before that. There is no reason for anything to change in MY yard.
Those that have been bitten by the bullet have their work cut out for them. Not sure that this will affect others except those that are affected...I guess time will tell, but in the meantime, nothing changes here!
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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rollerpigeon1963
169 posts
Jun 27, 2007
5:49 PM
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Richard,
LOL LOL who said anything about sticking there heads in the ground? I for one am flying every day just like I did yesterday and the day before, a month ago, 3 months ago. I learn to adapt with the BOP without have anyone looking over my shoulders.
If you choose to get out of the hobby that is your business. But I for one don't plan on it for a good while. You must know Ivan pretty well, to say what you did about admitting anything.
No matter what path I take I will still be flying birds. Not saying what will happen to others that live in the cities. But just like your views these are mine.
Brian
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nicksiders
1827 posts
Jun 27, 2007
6:00 PM
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Mr. Miller,
Why are you getting out of birds?
Nick
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motherlodelofts
1865 posts
Jun 27, 2007
7:31 PM
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I will keep flying here , the fact is not every place is suitable for flying birds .
Scott
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Richard
16 posts
Jun 27, 2007
7:49 PM
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It is my belief that no-one can and will force anything onto me, or anyone else. If a person breaks the law, no matter how minor the action, then my theory is to stand up without complaining, and take YOUR punishment..I NEVER want anyone to fall for something that I have done..I will stand and fight for myself, if I get myself into a jam.
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Sounds good. Getting drunk is an individual choice. the problem we have trying to fly our rollers is every flyers business. I think you missed my point,that we should stand as a group and fight to protect our hobby. Not as an individual. That is what I meant. We will never improve the plight of our birds standing alone. I do not condone what happened but I can feel for them.
Other things in life seem more important than rollers. I have had pigeons for too many years and as you know they tie one down. I plan on doing some traveling, and other interest.
Richard
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classicpony
235 posts
Jun 27, 2007
8:20 PM
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I have nothing to hide or worry about here. Anyone and everyone is invited to come and see my loft called The Bird House. I sell nothing, but love to fly and watch my birds roll. Guess I just love to share my joy with anyone, everyone, that wants to come and watch.
Jim
@thebirdhouse
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bman
309 posts
Jun 28, 2007
4:02 AM
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I flew year round from 1980 till the early 90's and end up quitting mostly due to BOP's.This time around I decided to do it different.Last year lost 65% to the preds even with locking down by november.This year I have been flying nearly every day since April 1st with no losses.Had a couple of close calls and had one bird grabbed that managed to escape.So in MY case you can fly around them!
It is a tough learning curve but can be done HERE.
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Ron
Borderline lofts
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J_Star
1060 posts
Jun 28, 2007
5:40 AM
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I agree with Richard on this one. I see all the views exchanged here are correct but from different prospective. I also feel for them and their ordeal. At the same time, that was their action and decision they made. We all can brag about things but bragging can get you in a jam very quickly.
I don’t think the hobby will be affected by the actions of a few individuals. Just like the drunken driving example used, we still all drive cars even we have some drunk drivers around us.
Jay
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bman
310 posts
Jun 28, 2007
7:25 AM
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What I see happening is everyone trying to distance themselves from this.I presume because they don't want the "spotlight" turned on them.If you doubt this try accessing the membership role on the NBRC website??????
But if you want to effect a change in the laws the hobby needs to speak with ONE voice.But judging from the opinions I see here I don't see that happening.
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Ron
Borderline lofts
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Missouri-Flyer
663 posts
Jun 28, 2007
7:55 AM
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To whomever reads this!
I see constant talk, from those that have been busted, as well as those that follow the laws 100%, about sticking together and fighting whoever in the government that is placing this miserable pain against these few men who have set themselves up.
NO-WHERE have I read from these people that are saying that we need to stick together, not bury our heads neck deep into the ground, mention ONE time how to help, and who they want to help them. Not once have I read any subject that stated to the effect (to help provide support for those affected by this awful sin, please respond to so and so for more info).. Those that say we should stick together, how about you same ones give us that would stick by ya some direction. If you are lost yourself, then quit telling everyone else to stop hiding, as I dont believe ANYONE is hiding...If so, then from what?
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1410 posts
Jun 28, 2007
8:47 AM
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Hey Jerry, as for myself, I was hoping (half expecting??) that the national club leadership was going to be able to lead us out of what I see as the coming darkness??...or perhaps the defeaning silence IS the lead they want us to follow??
Unless the national organization or a modern day "Pensom" can muster the morale of the roller fancier, I fear something like the "dark ages" (the time needed to let this thing blow over) will beset the roller hobby.
I am anxiously waiting for my next bulletin to know what the club leadership thinks and what the plan is for now and in the future as it relates this awful public relations disaster.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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bman
311 posts
Jun 28, 2007
9:19 AM
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Jerry and everyone else. I am just stating what I think is happening because there is no direction or leadership on this issue.And if direction and leadership is to be provided it needs to come from someone respected in the sport not some backyarder (LIKE ME) who no one knows.
I am not talking about the guilt or innocence of those who are ALLEGED to committed these acts. I'm talking about changing the way this problem has been dealt with in the past.I'm not saying no one is willing to help WE all are standing around with our hands in our pockets due to lack of direction! As far as me personally I care a pink fuzzy rats butt what goes on in anyone else's backyard but mine.
For obivious reasons "THE OPINIONS EXPRESSED HERE ARE THE SOUL RESPONSIBILTY OF THE AUTHOR AND NO ONE ELSE!!!!!!! lol
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Ron
Borderline lofts
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Otis
35 posts
Jun 28, 2007
10:15 AM
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Everyone and Anyone, I seriously contend there is no deafining silence. Just a lot of information that is not widely available yet. Anytime you have an impending trial, hearing or case, until that situation is completely closed, it beecomes prudent to lend as little banter as possible to the mix. I have complete confidence in the leadership of the NBRC, but we must remember that family comes before the hobby and matters of convincing ones better halves of the impact a supposed legal, backyard hobby/sport has ,all of a sudden imparts on the families financial and emotional budget.Entrapment, coupled with no fair warning is a devious enforcement method to impart on normally law-abiding citizens. And they will do it again as long as there is financial or political gain on the table. I strongly believe we will bounce back and maybe even solicit the help of falconers, scientist or even biologists in finding various solutions to allow us to co-exist with raptors. JMHO,Otis
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bman
312 posts
Jun 28, 2007
10:23 AM
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Otis,
I sincerly hope your right.
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Ron
Borderline lofts
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1414 posts
Jun 28, 2007
11:00 AM
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More of the same...into the darkness we drift and wallow..."dear Pensom, HELP US for we are lost and know not which way to turn!"
Okay, I'm done. I'll keep quiet.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
Check Out Our Pigeon Supply Store
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J_Star
1061 posts
Jun 28, 2007
11:46 AM
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So Tony, what do you suggest?
Jay
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1415 posts
Jun 28, 2007
12:38 PM
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Hey Jay, here is my solution, take the $30,000 the club has and hire an attorney to look out for the interests of the NBRC, its mission, defend it officers as well as advise the EC as to what they can or cannot do to communicate and provide information to the club membership in order to alleviate the confusion and sense of lack of leadership.
Also, hire a public relations firm to shape an image for the club as respectable, cross-section of America, responsible law-abiding citizens.
Produce a "best practices" document for dealing with any bop challenges a member finds himself dealing with; to include information on properly obtaining an official trapping permit if needed, how to hire an appropriate trapper should this be the best and safest solution for all concerned, have the NBRC track the number of roller hobbyists who are turned down for a permit and consider whether a class-action lawsuit is needed for possible relief.
And finally, hire a lobbying-group to promote our interests in government; raise the membership dues by an additional $10 per year to invest in this effort.
There is the solution, from start to end. Okay, now I will be quiet.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
Check Out Our Pigeon Supply Store
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nicksiders
1831 posts
Jun 28, 2007
1:34 PM
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Tony,
You need to push these ideas on to the current NBRC officers.
Nick
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Missouri-Flyer
664 posts
Jun 28, 2007
1:40 PM
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Sorry guys,
I was on a rampage! I guess what needs to be done is that we need to sit back for the time being, let the ongoing cases be dealt with, then and only then do we step forward and come up with a way to deal with the legal system as it currently stands, and find a compromise to deal with the CONSTANT SLAUGHTER of our money and time, as well as endless hours we have tied up in this hobby.
I read an article this morning from a DUMB A@# idiot from an online magazine about the current issue that we have with BOP's..This %$##@ guy stated that we (every breeder of pigeon of any breed) is in his and his peers eyes a "cult"..This guy had so much mis-informed information that I wanted to physically reach thru the screen and pull him back thru...Some people are...never mind!
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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Dave Szab
82 posts
Jun 28, 2007
1:53 PM
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Hey Tony,
Now those are the kind of ideas that we need in response to this attack on our hobby! The NBRC cannot be afraid to back up our hobby with financial, legal, and P.R. support. THAT is what an organization is suppose to do, not sit on their hands and look the other way when it's members and hobby have been unfairly targetted.
In response to those who have been hard on Ivan about his post, you are reading his intentions wrong. The men who have been charged were NOT the ones that were going on all these public lists and yapping about killing hawks, which was what got the investigation started, but there were many in this hobby that were. The feds went after these fine men instead of ALL the others that were doing the yapping, and then what happens??? All the yappers shut-up, act like saints, call for sanctions against the accused men, and want no part of any organized donations or supports to help to help these guys out. Nothing but pure hippocrites in my book. We either all stand together, or we all fall apart. There are many problems in this sport, and the NBRC AND it's members, need to stand together and work on solutions.
Dave Szabatura
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1417 posts
Jun 28, 2007
2:06 PM
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Hey Nick, I have run these by a couple of the committee members and one or two influential people in the roller hobby. We'll see what they think. (I don't like committees, nothing gets done unless its a compromise to the lowest denominator??)
I have until now, kept it out of All Roller Talk, but since I was called out(Jay), and I am not anyones huckleberry (I always wanted to say that in a sentence), now was a good time for me to briefly lay it out.
I know the executive comittee is taking it from all sides and I really hate to pile on and piss them off. But, my goodness, there is a $30,000 cash resource! What better way to use it than to defend the club, its officers, hobby and ALL of our good honor?
I didn't do $#@t, and I get hate emails from falconers because I have a popular website and issued a press release after being contacted by the Los Angeles Times for a comment!??
I had an uc agent here before all this went down, I thought his circumstances for finding his way to my place was peculiar, now I know why, 2 weeks later the busts are announced.
Fortunately, I learned along time ago to respect the law and about its power to coerce compliance, so I do my best to fly right.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Missouri-Flyer
666 posts
Jun 28, 2007
2:20 PM
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and I am not anyones huckleberry
LMAO Tony..you are the man..LOL
your way of thinking in regards to a solution to this incident has provoked me to do something that I ordinarily wouldn't do, and that is to...........
VOTE TONY CHAVARRIA FOR PRESIDENT.!!!!!!!
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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Oldfart
79 posts
Jun 28, 2007
4:50 PM
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Is there not one good lawyer that has rollers?
Thom
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nicksiders
1832 posts
Jun 28, 2007
6:23 PM
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Thom,
That is what I was wondering......somebody with the qualifications that Tony aluded to should have birds. Like PR people; attornys; lobby type people; publishers, etc.
They need to come on out and commit to some effort....they are the ones who have some net working and influence.
Nick
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Snicker Rollers
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rollerman132
118 posts
Jun 28, 2007
6:50 PM
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I don’t see a problem finding a lawyer, there are law firms on the internet that specializes in class action law suits, I even found a few who wont charge a dime in less they win. The big question is how many of us will be a part of this law suit? Another thing we need to take in to account is timing, we need to do it at the right time.You know what they say about class action law suits, the more the merrier. P.S. it needs to be done for the right reason, not because some of us broke the law and took things in their hands.
Last Edited by on Jun 28, 2007 7:05 PM
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