Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1525 posts
Jul 31, 2007
10:14 AM
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Giving voice to relevant opinions is a good thing? I have seen no other public list that would allow such a freee flow of ideas and opinions as what we have here.
Those who are our leaders or would want to be, what is your plan to get the club through all this? Who is gonna step up and field all the questions and concerns that so many have given such strong and passionate voices to their thoughts and opinions?
The status quo apparently is not making enough people happy to keep their opinions to themselves. I am all for getting along, so what's the plan? The status quo is not enough in my opinion, just look at what's going on.
Cliff, if you would make yourself a candidate for next president, what would your plan be to bring all the sides together? What are the issues from your perspective and their possible solutions?
IS anyone else able and willing to run as well? What would your plan be?
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nicksiders
1977 posts
Jul 31, 2007
12:14 PM
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Rick Mee is willing and he is DROSing from the military in three months for one. There are others who are putting some thoughts and ideas together now whose names I cannot devulge right now. There will be more than Cliff Ball to hand a batan to.
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Nick
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dave
337 posts
Jul 31, 2007
2:53 PM
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Is Rick Mee from the east coast? I thought he was from the mid-west, Texas. I could be wrong and it won't be the 1st time, lol.
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Electric-man
458 posts
Jul 31, 2007
4:18 PM
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I think I read that he is from the east, just stationed last in Tejas! Military man! Might be wrong, been awhile since I've read about him!
Val
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nicksiders
1980 posts
Jul 31, 2007
4:41 PM
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His home state is Alabama, I believe. I do not know where he is going to retire at when he leaves the military. I will ask him.
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Nick
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Electric-man
459 posts
Jul 31, 2007
5:42 PM
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Well, thats east to me! LOL I've read some articles on him, but as I said, it was awhile back! Memory stinks, must be all the H2S (hydrogen sulfide) fumes here at work! I don't always mask up! LOL
He is a very impressive person, for what I've read!
Val
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Missouri-Flyer
781 posts
Jul 31, 2007
6:04 PM
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Hey Val,
what have ya read about me???????...LOL
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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Electric-man
460 posts
Jul 31, 2007
6:27 PM
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I'm afraid that would be a violation of the posting policy to explain! I promised Tony that I would refrain myself from any more fowl language! LOL
Val
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JMUrbon
287 posts
Jul 31, 2007
7:07 PM
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Well Rick is a past NBRC President so at least he will know somewhat how things are run. I felt he did a good job in the past. JMHO. Joe
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nicksiders
1985 posts
Jul 31, 2007
8:26 PM
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He is staying in TX. He will not be eligble for president, but would accept a nomination for vice president.
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Nick
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motherlodelofts
1899 posts
Jul 31, 2007
8:30 PM
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Dave S is considering it, he is level headed , honest, and would be a great asset
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nicksiders
1987 posts
Jul 31, 2007
8:37 PM
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S for Szabature?
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Nick
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motherlodelofts
1900 posts
Jul 31, 2007
9:49 PM
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Yes Nick , plus I forgot to mention that he is a handsome devil with chick appeal
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nicksiders
1989 posts
Aug 01, 2007
12:16 AM
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LMAO.....not alot of chicks voting in the NBRC. You are right, he would be an asset for us and the NBRC. He needs to hurry with his decision.......I have been talking to (Moderated)
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Nick
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J_Star
1103 posts
Aug 01, 2007
4:59 AM
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Are we voting for somebody because of popularity contest? It sure sounds like that.
Let them tell us what they are going to do for the club, and be specific, if they were to become president so that we can determine who is the best to serve. But if you guys are going to vote for so and so just because you know the person, then don’t blame anybody for the past and present leadership ineffectiveness.
Jay
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motherlodelofts
1901 posts
Aug 01, 2007
6:21 AM
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How does it look like that Jay ?
Scott
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nicksiders
1990 posts
Aug 01, 2007
9:47 AM
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I just want who I feel will do the club and hobby the most good.......no popularity contest here. The guys I am backing can be somewhat of a bunghole at times. Integrety would be a good word and the people that have it are the people I want. I don't personally know anyone I am voting for.............never met them. I have observed what they do; what they say; and what they don't say.
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Nick
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Ballrollers
835 posts
Aug 01, 2007
11:54 AM
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Tony,
If nominated and elected, some of my objectives for the NBRC would be as follows:
1.Implement an Action Plan in response to Operation High Roller, including (but not limited to) the education of members on the Federal laws, instituting firm policies against violating the Megratory Bird Act, conducting a survey of NBRC members to quantify the annual loss of birds, conducting populations studies on the most troublesome raptors, establishing a liason with the AU and other bird organizations, opening a dialogue with the USFWS regarding the issuing of permits for trapping and relocating troublesome raptors.
2. Retain an attorney as a consultant to guide the NBRC in all future legal matters.
3.Establish a committee to develope a marketing strategy to educate the public about the NBRC, the hobby and sport of flying performing rollers.
4. Establish a Grievance Committee to hear and resolve disputes and complaints that arise from members.
5.Modify the procedures of the Executive Committee. I like some of Ken Billing's ideas. I would like to see all items for discussion brought before the EC on Mondays, and published on the website on the same day. There would be a one-week period of discussion on the EC and among members and RDs with a vote the following Monday. All votes by RDs would be posted on the website so members can see how their RD voted. Remove the authority of any member of the EC to conduct business on behalf of the NBRC that is outside their specific area of responsiblity, or that involves any outside agency, without the approval of the EC.
6. Continue to ammend the Policies and Procedures of the NBRC to plug the gaps.
I'll continue to develope these, of course, and modify this post accordingly. This is an aggresive agenda for the next two years, but it is what we need, gentlemen. It's time for our members to lead, follow, or get out of the way.
Cliff
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Skylineloft
79 posts
Aug 01, 2007
12:27 PM
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Cliff,
Thats the most encouraging post I have read in the last two months.
Do you think you could tell us a little about yourself as well, for those of us that do not know you ?
Thanks Cliff.
NBRC member,
Ray Fisher
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Electric-man
464 posts
Aug 01, 2007
1:24 PM
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Nice, you have definatly got my attention, Cliff! Thanks for sharing with us! Sounds like you have put some thought in it and have a direction of travel!
Val
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Gregg
138 posts
Aug 01, 2007
1:55 PM
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Ray,
Cliff is a big man at about six foot seven. Has his head in the clouds and like all doctors, as a friend of his described him, has a God complex. That's why we have to argue with him on a regular basis or he begins to think that everything he has said can be found in the Old Testament and everything he wants to say will be found in the New Testament. He also has a young daughter who has all 6' 7" of him totally wrapped around her little finger.
Other than that, he's a pretty good roller fancier with some really good mentors, like Clay Hoyle, Joe Bob Stuka, Jay Yandle and Wendell Carter. Five days in close quarters with Cliff and his brother gave me an appreciation of his dedication to the roller fancy and the programs needed to support same. He is an excellent organizer and more than willing to volunteer time.
His only fault, if you can call it a fault, is that he can be a bit verbose. I'm that way myself, but with the education he has, man, he can put out a paragraph a second.
And he loves to argue. He would make a very good president for the NBRC at a time when it needs a very good man. If he runs I will probably support him wholeheartedly and constantly be trying to push his buttons and pull his strings just to keep him aware of us little people. In fact I'd be very tempted to run for RD to help him implement quite a bit of what he has stated so far. Especially the bit about opening up the EC. Some one put a bug in KGB's ear, he'd make a good RD also. Could prove quite interesting.
Cliff, didn't miss by too much, did I?
Gregg.
Last Edited by on Aug 01, 2007 1:58 PM
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nicksiders
1991 posts
Aug 01, 2007
2:26 PM
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Yah, he is tall alright.
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Nick
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classicpony
274 posts
Aug 01, 2007
3:40 PM
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He's tall only if your shorter.... Hi Nick!! :)
Jim
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Ballrollers
837 posts
Aug 01, 2007
6:43 PM
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C'mon, Gregg! I'm much more humble than that! LOL!
Cliff
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nicksiders
1994 posts
Aug 01, 2007
6:49 PM
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Tall, too
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Nick
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Velo99
1244 posts
Aug 02, 2007
5:01 AM
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Guys
I think Rick would keep Cliff in line.
He can batter the crap out of Cliff`s kneecaps lol
Another thought:
Rick is retiring from the military, I wonder if he would be interested in running against one of the Bob`s?
Rick?
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Ballrollers
838 posts
Aug 02, 2007
7:56 AM
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Ray, List,
For those of you who don't know much about me, I was born and raised in Canton, Ohio. I got my first rollers in 1963 at the age of 13, and won my first roller trophy two years later, after I joined the Akron-Canton Roller Club. I moved on to college at Kent State University, and left my birds to my younger brother. I graduated from KSU in 1971 with a Bachlors degree in Biology. I then attended Ohio State University's School of Dentistry and graduated in 1974. After practicing for 5 years I returned to OSU for two years to become a specialist in Orthodontics and have been practicing since that time. I raised two sons; one graduated from Charleston University in South Carolina and is playing professional basketball in Europe; the other has just graduated with a degree in Computer Information Systems from Appalachian State University in North Carolina. I also have an eight-year-old daughter.
During my career in Dentistry, begiining at Ohio State, I was President of the Student Council, and was selected to serve on the search committee for the new dean of the College of Dentistry. Throughout my professional carreer, I have served on, and chaired, a number of committees in organized Dentistry. I've accumulated hundreds of hours of continuing education in the areas of team management and communication skills. Getting 1500 men headed in the same direction should be a breeze compared to trying to motivate 15-20 women to work together as a team! LOL!
I got back into rollers in 2002, as a backyard flyer again, and went through two families of birds, whose performance I was not pleased with, before settling on my current family. I became more actively involved in the hobby as an organization and in competition in 2004. Since that time I have been active in all phases of the hobby, locally, and nationally. I have been serving as Sec/Treas of the Central Carolina Performing Roller Club for three years, World Cup Southeast region Regional Director for two years, and currently serving my second year as NBRC National Fly Director. My primary mentors in the hobby have been Joe Bob Stuka, Clay Hoyle and Jay Yandle. I have written a number of articles for publication in the NBRC Bulletin, actively participate in many internet sites, attended the conventions in Denver and Portland, and I regularly attend a number of flys in the east...the Backspin Fly, the Mountain Empire Fly, the Ohio FDB Fly, and the Virgina Futurity. Through that level of activity, I have observed the performance of a number opf families of rollers and it has put me in communication with a huge number of roller men in the NBRC and given me a good sense of the hobby...its strengths and weaknesses....its assets and liabilities....its pluses and minuses. My committment is to guide and direct the inevitable changes that are impacting our hobby, rather than becoming at the effect of those changes.
Cliff
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turkey buzzard
6 posts
Aug 02, 2007
8:45 AM
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In the past it has been my observation that the NBRC usually votes in the Vice President for the next term as President. Are we looking at doing away with this and just nominating individuals who are President material or favorites. (moderated)
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Skylineloft
80 posts
Aug 02, 2007
12:11 PM
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Cliff,
Thanks for answering my question so quickly.
It sounds like you are more then qualified to guide the NBRC in the right direction, in a time that is so important for the future of this great hobby we all enjoy so much.
Im sure this is something you have prayed about, and I like that as well.
I know that I will be encouraging members to vote in my region and will ask them to vote for the person that looks to be best qualified for the job. Right now Cliff that is you and I wish you the best of luck.
Ray
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classicpony
277 posts
Aug 02, 2007
5:16 PM
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How about Nick for Prez?????
Think about it!!
Jim
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nicksiders
2000 posts
Aug 02, 2007
10:55 PM
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Thanks Jim,
It is not that I am not ready; it is that the members are not ready for me(LOL). Though I have been into birds a long time; I haven't been into the club and national competitions that long. Plus, I am a "confronter" and I react too quickly, sometimes. To a lot of people in here I am more of a novalty than a real person.
It just wouldn't work(anyway I would only recieve two votes; yours and Russ'.LOL)
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classicpony
279 posts
Aug 03, 2007
6:14 AM
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NiCk,
SorrY ol buddy thats only one vote, I haven't joined yet. :(
LOL
But I still think that you would make a great Prez even if it is only on here. Home of the written rolling words.
Jim
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Dave Szab
91 posts
Aug 03, 2007
6:26 AM
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Hey Buzzard,
Instead of wondering, all you had to do was ask me why I stepped down from the WC, but you decided to imply that I quit over the BOP issues, which is completely untrue.
I only agreed to takeover the WC General Coordinator job last year because nobody, I repeat nobody, came forward to take the job when Ron Duncan stepped down last year. I did not have the time to do the job, but I stepped up anyway to help the World Cup out. I never planned on doing the GC job for more than a year. So now I am stepping down and nobody stepped forward to take the job again, so Ron Duncan has stepped up and will be GC again. There should be more than 2 guys in this country that would be willing to take over the WC General Coordinator position, BUT nobody ever steps forward. We need leaders to step forward in this sport, and they need to be supported by us, or there will be no World Cup or NBRC in the future.
Buzzard, it's easy to criticize and throw assumptions out when you hide behind a fake name. Stand behind your opinions with your real name, if you've got the (moderated).
Dave Szabatura
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turkey buzzard
7 posts
Aug 03, 2007
7:28 AM
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Dave, (moderated)
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Dave Szab
93 posts
Aug 03, 2007
8:05 AM
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Hey Buzzard,
Just what I thought....a (moderated) hiding behind a fake name, making false accusations without the (moderated) to reveal your real name.
I've never written down anywhere that I was stepping down because of the BOP issues. Prove it Buzzard, present the written words that you claim I wrote. You have no idea what you are talking about regarding that issue or what has transpired in my region. You're just some (moderated) trying to stir up trouble. (moderated) like you, are what keeps good men out of leadership roles in the NBRC and WC. Backstabbers, trouble makers, and complainers. Step up and lead Buzzard, let's see what a great job you will do. Oh, I forgot, you would have to give your real name to do that. I have many friends in this hobby around the world, Mr (moderated)-Buzzard. I can count on one hand the guys that would hide behind an alias and make accusations like you, so I have a pretty good idea of who you are.
As far as the NBRC Presidency goes, if you read another post I made on this site recently, your (moderated) eyes would see that I am NOT running for the Presidency. Oh, and so you won't make another false accusation, it had nothing to do with you.
Dave Szabatura
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J_Star
1105 posts
Aug 03, 2007
8:56 AM
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Dave,
With all due respect, I expect more out of you than just name calling even if you disagree with the comments made. It showed me, that and I hope that it is not true, that when you are questioned you rely on name calling to end the conversation. Weasel this and weasel that is not appropriate when you are shooting for a president position. Thanks.
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1527 posts
Aug 03, 2007
10:02 AM
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Hello fellas, thanks for posting, I connect more and more dots as I read and learn.
Dave, thanks for your past leadership in the WC. I do appreciate your past and future efforts. As publisher of this website, I can tell you we can take it from all sides no matter what we do or say! LOL
Whenever, we step-up to lead, we expose ourselves to praise and criticism. Some deserved and some not-deserved. lol
Turkeybuzzard, please measure the wisdom of your words, more damage can result from your version of the truth as you see it than solutions.
Dave, et al, please refrain from name calling and insults; read the posting policy for more information.
Thanks for posting guys.
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Last Edited by on Aug 03, 2007 10:06 AM
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kcfirl
166 posts
Aug 03, 2007
10:04 AM
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Dave,
you just confirmed my thinking about whether you were qualified for the job.
thanks,
Ken
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Dave Szab
94 posts
Aug 03, 2007
1:28 PM
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Hey Tony,
I try to follow your posting policy as best as I can, believe me there were some much choicer words that I wanted to describe Buzzard as, but I also believe that Buzzard was the first one to break the posting policy. Your posting policy says "no insults" and his false accusations about me and what he was implying, were an insult to me. Therefore, I ask that you remove his insulting posts, and you can remove mine also if you see fit.
I know who this Buzzard guy is, I know his writing style, and he is the only guy that I have come across, in this great hobby of ours, that runs around behind the scenes causing trouble like this. He has done it many times before. You won't have anymore trouble from me, unless this guy tries to pull this crap again. Nobody should be able to come in here under an alias and make false accusations about someone. This guy should tell us who he is and show proof of his allegations, or he should be kicked off the list. I can fill you in privately, if you want to know who this guy is Tony.
Dave Szabatura
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Dave Szab
95 posts
Aug 03, 2007
1:41 PM
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J_Star,
I wasn't being questioned, I was being falsely accused of something I did not do by someone who wouldn't even give us his name. If you feel that was proper, and that I was wrong, then nothing I say will change your mind. I just hope that doesn't happen to you sometime, it would be interesting to see how you would feel then. When you put in the effort, time, and money that I have for this hobby, guys like this just make your skin boil.
Dave Szabatura
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Dave Szab
96 posts
Aug 03, 2007
1:50 PM
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Ken Firl,
Sorry you feel that way. Your reaction surprises me, but then again nothing in this sport surprises me anymore after all that I have seen and heard over the last few years. Keep up the good fight Ken.
Dave
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Otis
53 posts
Aug 03, 2007
1:51 PM
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OK, So Dave could have used more policy appropriate language, understandable, but what type of individual snipes at a person while using an alias then will give up names of others who are,so called, as disgruntled as he is? Then to throw in a jolt at someone who is trying to defend himself and his livlihood-low blow! Buzzard, what say you reveal yourself and what you've done for the hobby and why your not man enough to say who you really are, as you hide and hurtle sneak attacks meant to satisfy your personal vendetta! Jealousy, matched with envy shouldn't be tolerated in the roller world. You also knew you'd illicit a torrid response meant for personal correspondence, not for a public forum such as this. Strange how the written word is like liquid courage and most wouldn't dare say face to face what they'd write. I also know who you are and this is just par for the course for you! You always seem to come short of my expectations of you -why?! Otis
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1528 posts
Aug 03, 2007
1:53 PM
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Hey Dave, I am stepping out the door for a few hours and I will take a look at his posts and moderate them as needed. Thanks, and I would like to know more. Let's talk later.
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nicksiders
2004 posts
Aug 03, 2007
2:47 PM
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My take on ol' turkey buzzard: I think he is a knowledgeable flyer and has some concerns about the WC and the NBRC. I think he is envolved in a lot of club activities and has been a pigeon "geek" for a some time. I think you will find that he has the resourses to back up what he says. His first name may be "steve".....maybe. I think he would be from Texas....got that Texas swagger(LOL). I don't think he has said anything for anyone to get excited over....or maybe he has....I don't know
With only posting a handfull of times you will probably find he has not said anything that would get him off the list.
Just my take.
Question: are turkey buzzards the same bird as a turkey vulture?
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Nick
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Gregg
142 posts
Aug 03, 2007
3:13 PM
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(moderated) While some of the allegations about Dave have been around for awhile, I for one agree that if you can't say it and sign your own name, then you've got no business saying and are lacking quite a bit in my book. Dave did step up and take the W.C. for one year when no one wanted it, that much I know for a fact.
Gregg.
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1529 posts
Aug 03, 2007
8:55 PM
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Hey Dave, I know who each one of the posters is as they give me their names at sign-up.
I did moderate some or all of the posts, and I think they now comply with the posting policy! lol Thanks for being apart of this forum.
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Newflyer
129 posts
Aug 05, 2007
6:36 AM
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I agree with GREGG...if a person can't use his REAL name then he or she has NO right to post anything on this site. Whats the reason for the BIG secret????
Paul
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J_Star
1106 posts
Aug 07, 2007
5:30 AM
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Dave,
To respond to your post to me, I would have handled it differently. There is always a politically correct way to handle things especially when a person is running for a high office.
I believe that Buzzard questioned your integrity and not attacked you. What he said are the words of the people around you and that is what they are talking about behind you because, it appears to be, is that you have a clout in the WC and NBRC. I think they believe you are not fair and play favorites. They might have a legitimate concern or they may not. You have issues with the people in your region and I believe it is best to deal with them through dialog privately and resolve their and your concerns. That is my take...
If a person wishes not to post his name, that is his choice and there is nowhere says that a person has to reveal himself to the world in the posting policy.
If a name means allot to you guys, then I will call myself ShitHead Smith and create an email address from yahoo for free and sign up to this site using the yahoo email address and a name of ShitHead. Then a person has a name and an email and he is in. Be serious guys.
Jay
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1541 posts
Aug 07, 2007
5:50 AM
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Jay Said
"I believe that Buzzard questioned your integrity and not attacked you. What he said are the words of the people around you and that is what they are talking about behind you because,..."
Hey Jay, I agree with Dave, these ARE attacks and accusations that appeared, from my vantage point to have no context or proof of questionable activities, that's why I edited them.
I was recently given the same information by phone by someone else, my initial reaction was to believe it and have negative thoughts about it.
However, upon further thought, if someone is able to use the rules to produce a favorable outcome for himself, how is this wrong? At this point, I say "So What"?
If Dave desires to run for NBRC president, all the power to him, no one should allow this personal attack on Dave that seems to be going around, to prevent him from voting for him.
Sounds like someone or a group has a personal vendetta against him. People need to use some critical thinking skills on this one and give Dave a pass.
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1542 posts
Aug 07, 2007
5:57 AM
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Paul Said
"I agree with GREGG...if a person can't use his REAL name then he or she has NO right to post anything on this site. Whats the reason for the BIG secret????"
Hey Paul, I disagree partially and agree partially. If a person wants to believe they are "anonymous", then that's okay with me, provided they don't say negative things about others which is just an attack without taking personal responsibility for it.
Simply posting harmless questions or responses and not signing a name is alright too. While people believe the internet and posting is an anonymous activity, it is not. We all leave a trail...
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Last Edited by on Aug 07, 2007 5:59 AM
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