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My Muffs
My Muffs
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ezeedad
42 posts
Nov 17, 2007
8:57 AM
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Just thought I might explain how I first became interested in muffs.
Back in the 60s I got some birds from Bill Pensom. He went back to a loft in the rear of his property and brought me a small dun grouse legged bird and said, "Take this one. She rolls like a bull."
So, to make a long story short, I flew the bird, she was the best roller I had ever seen, and still to this day is probably one of the best I have ever seen.
Well, I bred her to my "Old Spangle cock, The one that Donnie Norwood put on the cover Of Cornells' book, and they had a pair of babies. When the babies were about a week old, the hen either had an accident or something else... Her intestines had come out. About 2 feet of them were wrapped around one of her wings. Not knowing what else to do, I killed her to put her out of her misery.
The old spangle cock raised the babies and both of them had muffs. Thier feathers completely covered their feet. I was training them to go through the trap.
Somebody stole those birds and I never saw then again. My old spangle came back tho... He is the grandfather of my foundation hen which my family basically is built around.
So, I suppose that this experience is what made me always want to get back what I lost, and I have always in the back of my mind wondered what would those birds have been like...and produced..
P Gomez
Last Edited by on Nov 17, 2007 9:00 AM
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birdman
434 posts
Nov 17, 2007
9:20 AM
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Paul, I've seen muffed birds at other lofts that go back to Pensom's via FWL. And for those doubters, NO they haven't been crossed with anything. The original FWL birds had the muffs to begin with and after 30 years of inbreeding/linebreeding it's pretty well fixed into them. Most have muffs about 2" long on average.
They are loaded with roll and roll their asses off!
Russ
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ezeedad
43 posts
Nov 17, 2007
9:35 AM
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Thanks Russ,
In fact the muffs that started my muff project are out of a full bro/sis bred from a bird Frank bred..75FWL#36 and 74NL#67 bred by Cornell Norwood. Both birds were grandchildren of Pensoms' 119 cock 60PRC #119.
Paul
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Alohazona
347 posts
Nov 17, 2007
10:09 AM
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Hi Paul,
Yes,Hawaii is primarily predator free,a few actually make the migratory trip,but were talking about a handfull.The Hawaiian hawk is here and lot's of pu'eo[owls],they are to big to be a problem.The Hawaiian Islands are truly a bird paradise and predators will never be a problem.The eco system here is closely monitered and native species are heavily protected.This is one of the reasons theres hoops to jump through when bringing in birds.
Thank you for commenting on my muffed birds,LOL.The stuff I have found the best out of Hatchers line is #425,#12[low freeze],#266,Polished Cookie,Spartakus.My clean legged side is highly inbred #266.
The best birds on the Planet,of course not,but when they spin you why you are into rollers.Aloha,Todd
Dr. LD,
The Dortin stuff,has faded away.I gave away a Black Badge,who was a son of the Dortin cock and a direct daughter of the polished cookie henhe said it is the best roller in his loft.I gave the Dortin cock to Rob Perry our clubs president at the time,along with a hen from Don Oulette's,3- bird family.He was starting over after trading his birds for a pick up truck,LOL....Aloha,Todd
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birdman
435 posts
Nov 17, 2007
10:32 AM
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No problem Paul. Anybody that has done some homework regarding the creation of the Birmingham roller understands that other breeds were used in its development. It's really pretty silly for anyone to argue that a bird must be a cross because it has muffs. Where do these people think the gene grouse legged birds come from. Or how about the clean legged birds that have one or two or more long feathers sticking out of their toes? That gene must be in there somewhere...lol
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birdman
436 posts
Nov 17, 2007
10:52 AM
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Todd, do you know when the perregrines show up and when they leave or do you have them year round?
Russ
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ezeedad
46 posts
Nov 17, 2007
11:22 AM
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It seems that some of the earliest birds had feathers on their legs and feet.
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