Deadendkid
45 posts
Nov 16, 2007
11:09 AM
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anyone please post a picture of a crested muff roller
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Deadendkid
46 posts
Nov 16, 2007
12:08 PM
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just for show maybe i would like them
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Skylineloft
366 posts
Nov 16, 2007
12:10 PM
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Talk to Hector Coya,
He has them.
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Ray
Breeding Quality Spinners,
"One Roller At A Time".
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Skylineloft
367 posts
Nov 16, 2007
12:12 PM
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lol.....Milo
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Ray
Breeding Quality Spinners,
"One Roller At A Time".
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Deadendkid
47 posts
Nov 16, 2007
12:14 PM
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everybidy likes different things llike ezedad likes huge muffs and hector likes crested birds and spanky likes cat eyes is ther somthing wrong with that
Last Edited by on Nov 16, 2007 12:15 PM
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Skylineloft
368 posts
Nov 16, 2007
12:14 PM
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How are they in the air Quickspin ?
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Ray
Breeding Quality Spinners,
"One Roller At A Time".
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Skylineloft
369 posts
Nov 16, 2007
12:15 PM
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Not at all kid.
You pay the feed bill.
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Ray
Breeding Quality Spinners,
"One Roller At A Time".
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Skylineloft
370 posts
Nov 16, 2007
12:19 PM
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Who owns those birds ?
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Ray
Breeding Quality Spinners,
"One Roller At A Time".
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Skylineloft
371 posts
Nov 16, 2007
12:21 PM
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OK, Thanks Quickspin
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Ray
Breeding Quality Spinners,
"One Roller At A Time".
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Deadendkid
48 posts
Nov 16, 2007
12:27 PM
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those birds are 100% birmingham rollers just ask hector and ezedad and maybe i want to get some so i can own some rare birds that are still 100% birminham rollers
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MILO
856 posts
Nov 16, 2007
12:34 PM
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But what is about them that you like? Please, tell me. Is it just because they are pretty in your opinion?
c
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quickspin
120 posts
Nov 16, 2007
12:39 PM
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Every one breeds different birds and some don't like certain things. Imagine if we all think the same, we will be fighting for the same things. LOL
I don't breed to big birds together, two muffs or that came from muffs, similar color unless I have to. Not puting no one down.
That is just me, and I stick to it unless it helps the bird in a good way.
I'll take any ones advised if it will help me then I can decided on practicing it or not.
I don't like talking bad things to no one, what for. It will not help me achieve anything but problems. I have many friends and I always keep them.
Rolando
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rollerman132
162 posts
Nov 16, 2007
12:53 PM
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Holy crap they do exists LMAO
Last Edited by on Nov 16, 2007 12:55 PM
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Tony Chavarria
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1873 posts
Nov 16, 2007
1:11 PM
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Whatever floats your boat.
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Deadendkid
49 posts
Nov 16, 2007
2:22 PM
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nice lokking birmingham roller
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hectorvicki2003@yaho
41 posts
Nov 16, 2007
2:33 PM
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Those are my birds ,and they do roll just as good as my Bob scott and my norm Reed's.
its just something diferent i like thome becoust they are diferent.
If anyone has been to my house they know they roll.
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Hector Coya
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Deadendkid
50 posts
Nov 16, 2007
2:35 PM
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and they are birmingham roller right they are not west of englands do they come in opal or white bar or toy stencil
Last Edited by on Nov 16, 2007 2:36 PM
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3757
254 posts
Nov 16, 2007
2:47 PM
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Deadliner - those crests are not Birmingham Rollers and the argument is not that the birds cannot perform (roll) but they are not Birmingham’s. Where these birds bred in an open loft or were the crest intentionally bred into them?
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hectorvicki2003@yaho
42 posts
Nov 16, 2007
2:48 PM
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No i havent put any odd colors on themjust the regular blue chk,red chk grizzle and so on.
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Hector Coya
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hectorvicki2003@yaho
43 posts
Nov 16, 2007
2:56 PM
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3557
I dont call any of my birds Bermingham,they where born here in the good USA.
They came out of regular rollers,they where bred in open loft but there was nothing els but rollers.
i got them from 3 diferent people through the years,
and i know only one that crossed something on his to bring in the crest.
the others i got where from birds that accidently produced it.
one comes from a guy in Hemet,he bred it out of hid Jaconet birds,the other i gut from an old back yard breeder that had nothing but rollers for many years and one pair produced crest in 3 round,he broke them up but gave me the white hen on that Pic.
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Hector Coya
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Deadendkid
51 posts
Nov 16, 2007
3:00 PM
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357 magnum theres no argument i like those birds
Last Edited by on Nov 16, 2007 3:00 PM
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hectorvicki2003@yaho
44 posts
Nov 16, 2007
3:13 PM
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----------This is a crested Bermingham,YES, i got this Picture from a web site from England so there Do you see It
now 3757?
In page 38 of the last of the graets by Thomas hatcher you will see the crest that where around in the early days ,why cant you imagine that that gene is still floting around popping up now and then?
Hector Coya
Last Edited by on Nov 16, 2007 3:31 PM
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lionel
32 posts
Nov 16, 2007
3:48 PM
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I don’t seem to understand some of the people on this site...
Why does it matter to anyone what certain individuals look for in this HOBBIE, If that individual likes crest, muffs, colors, patterns or what have you - why criticize and put them down.
If the pigeon rolls its a roller regardless of its physical appearance...
What really counts is the performance of the bird in the air - There all performers - they get killed by the hawks just as easy as Birmingham rollers.
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Lionel
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ezeedad
31 posts
Nov 16, 2007
3:55 PM
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I started a new topic about this before I saw that there was already one... Guess I'll delete mine..
I mentioned that Mike Muraviov, a serious roller breeder had a family that produced crests a while back.
This might be an interesting direction for somebody if they are thick skinned enough to take the heat and accusations of crossing. I have had a lot of those kinds of comments about my family since one of my earliest projects was almonds, and later muffs....
How about almond muffs with crests... that spin their asses off... wouldn't that be somethin'..??
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spanky
85 posts
Nov 16, 2007
3:57 PM
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NICE CRESTED BIRDS, I GOT ONE PAIR ONLY AND 2 OF THE BABYS ARE IN MY #1 KIT. YOU MAKE THE MATH.
SPANKY
SGVS
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Deadendkid
54 posts
Nov 16, 2007
3:58 PM
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spanky just wondering how deep are they and how many points did you score with the number 1 kit in the fall fly
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hectorvicki2003@yaho
45 posts
Nov 16, 2007
4:02 PM
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Im still waiting for a responce about the crested BIRMINGHAM roller picture from ENGLAND, i think they are speachless LOL
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Hector Coya
Last Edited by on Nov 16, 2007 4:02 PM
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spanky
87 posts
Nov 16, 2007
4:13 PM
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HEY KID I WANTED TO FLY THE FALL FLY, BUT SOME ONE TOLD ME THAT I COULD'NT FLY THE FALL FLY . WHY, BECAUSE THIS SOME ONE TOLD ME THAT POMONA BELONG'S TO SAN BERNANDINO. NO. I'M FROM POMONA AND POMONA IS SAN GABRIEL VALLEY. THAT'S WHY I BELONG TO LOS ANGELES REGIN. BUT I'LL BE A DIFERENT STORY NEXT YEAR.
SPANKY
SGVS
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T-town-rollers
38 posts
Nov 16, 2007
4:26 PM
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I STARTED HAVING A PROBLEM WITH 2 OF MY KITS. WHAT MAKES THEM STAY UP SO LONG ? THEY WILL FLY FOR 2 TO 3 HRS.
I MEASURE THERE FEED AND THEY GET ONE TABLE SPOON A DAY. IT DON'T SEAM TO BE HAWKS DOING IT !! THEY KIT-UP FLY AND ROLL WELL. I JUST CAN'T BELEIVE HOW LONG THEY STAY IN THE AIR. ONE DAY LAST WEEK I TURNED THEM OUT AT 10:30 A M AND THEY FLEW INTILL 4 P M THAT AFTERNOON. I'M FEEDING A PIGEON MIX W/NO CORN. ANYONE'S HELP WOULD BE WELCOME ??
THANK YOU. Lee
T-town-rollers
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lionel
35 posts
Nov 16, 2007
4:26 PM
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Becareful guys MILO might come back with something like this
MILO
661 post s
31-Oct-2007
10:02 AM I was going to add this to the "crested rollers" thread, but felt it might be helpful as its own topic.
It really amazes me how these threads even get any play. I mean really. On a personal note, someone that asks such a question will not get my serious attention. It does not merit it. There are so many great threads on this site that go silent because nobody wants to talk seriously about the hobby. You know, moving it forward. It is part of the learning process. Crests? Muffs? Are you guys out of your freaking minds? Don't get all sensitive either, you have the right to do whatever you want in your lofts. I know, I've heard it before, "I pay the feed bill." Spare Tony the irritation of having to see it pop up on his site, and take things in the wrong direction.
I am going to blame it on lack of experience. Maybe the membership here does not have the knowledge to tackle insightful posts that ask serious questions about our breed. That's ok. If that is not the case, then there are some guys in here that need to give their hats back. For the record, "LOL" does not count as a post. It is merely a response. If you want a RPDC hat, c'mon, just pay for one.
Those of you that only post when your feelings get hurt because something you have made a personal commitment to in your program, and let's face it, usually don't have anything to do with the performance traits of this BREED, you have the right to respond, but need to participate across the board. Don't cherry pick your battles, it only shows you have an agenda other than sharing helpful information.
Another thing that has irritated me lately is the quality of a lot of the posts. Before you hit the submit button, do me a favor...Proofread your posts for obvious errors, and for the love of all normal, put more than 2 seconds of thought into what you are going to say before you fire it off. Complete sentences should be a must. Also, if you want information about a bird, include the year the bird was born, and the letters of the club or name of breeder. It may sound crazy, but believe it or not, you can find it on the band. The band you will find is attached to the birds leg. If there is no band, and has been cut off, be prepared to be called a thief. That is the natural process in the modern pigeon world. Again, don't take it personally and just answer the questions.
There are many friendships on this list. It's ok to high-five and laugh at each other. That's part of the fun. Anything posted that does not benefit the promotion of the (Birmingham Roller)should be titled "Off-Topic."
Do I sound like a jerk? Yes. I say all this for the promotion and preservation of our hobby. Have a nice day.
c
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Lionel
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hectorvicki2003@yaho
47 posts
Nov 16, 2007
4:38 PM
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Im still waiting for a responce about the crested BIRMINGHAM roller picture from ENGLAND, i think they are speachless LOL
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Hector Coya
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lionel
36 posts
Nov 16, 2007
4:40 PM
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Hey Hector how you been?
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Lionel
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PR_rollers
65 posts
Nov 16, 2007
4:43 PM
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Hey if they can roll.they alright by me.I don't care if they from Birmingham ,USA,If they come with a dress on and pantyhose and they can roll send them over ,,the way i look at it ,more work for the hawk to undress..
Ralph....
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spanky
88 posts
Nov 16, 2007
4:50 PM
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THE GRIZZLE CRESTED IS DOING ABOUT
20FT, THE RED ONE IS DOING 30-50FT
THESE BIRDS ARE SUPER FAST!!!
THE BLACK ONE IS THE MOM.
SPANKY
S.G.V.S
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PR_rollers
66 posts
Nov 16, 2007
4:52 PM
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t-town start a new topic you might get some answer.
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Ralph....
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hectorvicki2003@yaho
49 posts
Nov 16, 2007
4:52 PM
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Thats a good one Milo.
Im glad you accept the fact that even in England they have produced crest.
Thank you
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Hector Coya
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nicksiders
2490 posts
Nov 16, 2007
4:55 PM
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It is disrespectful to call these things Birmingham Rollers. The attitude that presents itself with the statement "if it rolls, it is a roller" makes me want to scream and curse. It is a joke. I understand there has been birds appear with notches or a couple of feathers turned backwards, but these are more than notches.
I think we have been here before; the manure is just fresh.
Nick
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BigRiverRollerLofts
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PR_rollers
67 posts
Nov 16, 2007
5:04 PM
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Hector i look at page 38 i don't see any roller there,it has Jim Skidmore clipping a rollers pal hair,maybe clipping his crest,lol..
Ralph....
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spanky
89 posts
Nov 16, 2007
5:05 PM
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NICKSIDERS IF YOU'R REFERING TO MY PIX. I NEVER SAID THAT MY BIRD'S WERE BIRMINGHAM. TELL YOU WHAT I DONT CARE WHAT ANYBODY THINK'S OF THIS BIRD'S. THERE MINE AND I WILL DO WHAT I WANT WITH THEM.
SPANKY
SGVS
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lionel
38 posts
Nov 16, 2007
5:10 PM
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Whats krackin SPZZZY - nice CRESTED ROLLERS
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Lionel
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hectorvicki2003@yaho
50 posts
Nov 16, 2007
5:14 PM
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Ralph,page 37 sorry.
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Hector Coya
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hectorvicki2003@yaho
51 posts
Nov 16, 2007
5:21 PM
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Milo,I think the crest is just something that popped up do to who knows why,i know i didnt put anything to get it so thats all i cear about,
If you think about it ther is many traits that pop up and many here have them,like a verry small beak,i have a pure Jerry Higgins that has a very small, and i mean small beak,where do you think that comes frem? crosses whay back?
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Hector Coya
Last Edited by on Nov 16, 2007 5:22 PM
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spanky
90 posts
Nov 16, 2007
5:22 PM
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hey MILO thats right. everybody has different taste. i only have 1 pair off crest only to fool around.
SPANKY
S.G.V.S
Last Edited by on Nov 16, 2007 5:23 PM
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PR_rollers
69 posts
Nov 16, 2007
5:25 PM
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I see it now crested cream it says probably got there crest from inbreeding....I read pensom had muff birds too..I personally think these birds were cross with other lines and kept going till they got them rolling. and now they pop up here and there.. i have pics of my turbins they were crested. if you want to see them i post them here and i;m talking back in the 70's
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Ralph....
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WH Pensom:Speaks
1 post
Nov 16, 2007
5:40 PM
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“Taking the fancy as a whole, there are very few birds, worthy of the title ‘Birmingham Roller’. Fanciers who do understand these pigeons and agree on the ideal, do not necessarily have the same ideas as regards breeding them…”
“…This is because, I suppose, that not all fanciers have had the pleasure of seeing or owning an ideal spinner”.
WHP
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PR_rollers
73 posts
Nov 16, 2007
5:50 PM
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----------Holy S**t Pensom is back..
Ralph....
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3757
255 posts
Nov 16, 2007
5:55 PM
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Hector - I am not going to respond to a picture that someone took in Birmingham England. The history of the true Birmingham roller as bred by Bill Pensom, Richards, Smith, Perkins, McCully, Bob Scott, Skidmore, Bruce Cooper, Herb Sparkes, Charlie Saldana, myself and many others do not have crest. If a person wants to breed birds with crest it is their prerogative. This has nothing to do with the performance I just do not believe that the birds are true Birmingham Rollers as bred by the men mentioned above. I know that you have some good performers. Do you think Bob Scott bred any crest? I am not disrespecting anyone that wants to breed crest rollers but when one of the posters on this subject called them Birmingham rollers this was stretch.
Nick - Gloria a dios for your statement!
Spanky - Please do not forget what we talked about for tomorrow! Thanks
Last Edited by on Nov 16, 2007 6:04 PM
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elopez
61 posts
Nov 16, 2007
6:30 PM
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Hey Lionel
Good post #32
Not sure what all the fuss is about? I don't have any crest birds but if I did it would get treated just like any other bird. It doesn't matter to me if it is pure breed or not, I really don't care. As long as it performing the way I want that's all that matters. I've seen Hector fly his kit and can't tell a crest from a non crest, they all work great in the air. When I first saw a crested bird at his house I thought it was pretty cool that he got some rollers that had a crest...
Like it has been said many times, you pay the feed bill you breed what you want.
Oh by the way, Hector took 1st place with his Crest muffs in our club...
Efren
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Ballrollers
948 posts
Nov 16, 2007
6:35 PM
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When you stop and think about it, guys, the truly amazing part of this discussion is that anyone among us....nothing more than mere roller hobbyists...some more well-read than others.....all with vastly different life esperiences and experiences in the sport of flying rollers.....would stoop so low as to try to assert themselves as an authority on the subject of what constitutes a Birmingham Roller....what line of birds...what type......what feathering...what color.....when in fact, no one knows for certain.....nobody can prove anything.......none of us were around 100 years ago or more to see what the breed was like and what it descended from......and yet from that "lofty" position, they would attempt to question, denigrate, criticise, and sit in judgement of another man's birds. Our point of view on the matter is nothing more than a choice that we make.....a side we choose to take......a group that we decide to fall in with.....but, there is no "rightness" or "wrongness", as these types of individuals are attempting to establish. Those who try to set themselves up as the "right" ones..the "authority" are, perhaps the greatest fools of all. And yet they are responsible for more hard feelings...more men lost to the hobby and to roller sites than any other single factor in the hobby...the self-rightous. BEWARE!
JMHO,
Cliff
Last Edited by on Nov 16, 2007 6:38 PM
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ezeedad
34 posts
Nov 16, 2007
6:37 PM
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WOW...
I can't freakin' believe it..!! There already are crested muff Birminghams... For me it is really exciting to see new work being done on these birds.
I can see that there is clearly a division among the roller men...just as there always has been.
One type of thinking wants to expand the variety that exists within the breed, the other wants to maintain a more narrow interpretation of what the appearance of the breed should be.
As far as I'm concerned the Birmingham roller is a pigeon that should be judged on it's performance.. I think that should always come first... Does that mean that we have to eliminate any unessential features? Not in my opinion, but I can understand why some people feel that way. After all, breeding high class spinners is already a big challenge.
I hope there is never a split among breeders of our breed like there was several years ago between the show roller guys and the flying roller breeders..
What ever happened to show rollers?? Did they ever become a seperate breed?? I haven't seen any flyers (handouts) for show roller shows... But I have seen muff class being shown in most of the local shows here in the Los Angeles area...
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