3757
275 posts
Nov 20, 2007
6:56 PM
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After reading Kids post I also thought about a few things that go on in our hobby and it is hearsay. People often say things about another fanciers birds etc and have never even gone to the fancier’s home and really does not even know the fancier. Why? Someone mentioned something to me today that was said and I ask him has your ________ever come to my home? How in the h___ does he know what I am doing or what I have ever done? It amazes me how individuals claim to know something about someone and they know nothing at all! Opinions are opinions without facts and data. Get your facts strait!
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Tony Chavarria
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1892 posts
Nov 20, 2007
7:56 PM
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I always thought they just "knew"! Gawds are like that.
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3757
276 posts
Nov 21, 2007
5:08 AM
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Tony - I guess you are right.
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gotspin7
512 posts
Nov 21, 2007
5:15 AM
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Laron, I agree you get a lot of people that you never see out there on the FLY'S but SOME HOW know EXACTLY what birds you are flying and what they go back to, THEY ARE NOT INVOLVED IN THE CLUB, And some how they are friends with all these guys that is how they know!(they sure have a lot of friends)LOL! Laron, I get people telling me all the time what I am doing in my back yard or what birds I am flying and who I got them from and what I am breeding for! Some how they have an assesment of you before they get to actually see what is you plan with your family of birds!Sal
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3757
277 posts
Nov 21, 2007
5:36 AM
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Sal - This is amazing to me. I really think it makes them feel good or special. These are usually the first guys to criticize someone else. I am not comparing but I race homers also and this rarely happens among the homer breeders that I know. I wonder why they cannot just say I do not know. For example, you and I have communicated via e-mail but if someone asked me what Sal is doing I would reply I do not know. You would have to ask Sal because this is the truth. "They would rather believe a lie than the truth."
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gotspin7
520 posts
Nov 21, 2007
5:41 AM
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Laron, since I moved out here in the boonies!LOL, I have a couple of Homer buddies and they are a different breed! They do not mind giving you details about how they succeed one of these guys is always trying to give me homers but I rather look at them when I visit LOL, Laron I agree with you a 100%, Laron I would do the same thing!
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J_Star
1300 posts
Nov 21, 2007
5:59 AM
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You can not change people. How about the people that wants to claim the success to be their own when someone else fly their birds? How about people who always bring the past and boost that they were friends of Pensoms and others at that era as if they are the roller god…so you better listen to them because they know it all but yet never left their own backyard? How about the people who always reference that they’ve been with pigeons for 30 or 40 years and they should know everything about them pigeons, and when you ask you realize they don’t even know their pigeon psychology…just because? How about the people who just brag about the name of their family just because they are from so and so and bred through pedigree only…so they must have the best pigeons on earth just because they came from so and so? How about the people who discredit a fancier and his birds because they acquired his birds and because their own ignorance could not handle or manage them birds and they let the whole roller world know how sucky that fancier's birds are? How about the people who still to this age reference their birds from the 514 line which is been dead for 50 years but his line should be worthy because someone said it is from the 514? How about the people who reference to their birds and their ancestry by band numbers as if they are the guru of pigeons and all you get from them talking as they are nothing but a pedigree breeders? How about the people who put a whole region or state down of unworthy pigeons just because in their birds ancestry some color birds exists? I could go on and on.
People talk about you as a fancier and your birds only and only when you become a successful manager and took your birds to a top notch class of being worthy. Everybody wants to talk about and be a friend of a celebrity. Even Roller Pigeon Celebrity and you and I can not change that.
Jay
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3757
278 posts
Nov 21, 2007
6:18 AM
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Jay - That was powerful and basically said it all!
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gotspin7
522 posts
Nov 21, 2007
6:25 AM
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J-Star, you are right on! speechless WOW! Good post!
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bman
504 posts
Nov 21, 2007
7:24 AM
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Jay,you hit the nail on the head. Although I know a little less than nothing about competing with pigeons I have competed successfully with several breeds of hunting dogs.
An unfortunate fact of life is when you are near the top of your game you expose your back to a small group of people who can only advance there standing (in their minds)
by tearing someone else down. Fortunately they are the minority.
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Ron
Borderline lofts
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hectorvicki2003@yaho
61 posts
Nov 21, 2007
9:27 AM
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How about the people that put down my crest without ever seeing them fly,LOL
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Hector Coya
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Deadendkid
66 posts
Nov 21, 2007
10:00 AM
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hi hector how many crested muff rollers did you fly together in your kit that beat all your club members also how long did they stay in the 1 kit
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hectorvicki2003@yaho
62 posts
Nov 21, 2007
10:06 AM
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Hey Kid,I only had 3 crest and 5, 1/2 cerst in my main Kit,this year but they where a big part of the kit.
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Hector Coya
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Deadendkid
68 posts
Nov 21, 2007
10:50 AM
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hector whats the longest a crest has flown in a kit of yours 1 year 2 years or longer and also how much points did you score in the world cup and fall fly
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J_Star
1302 posts
Nov 21, 2007
10:54 AM
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That too Hector.
Jay
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John
86 posts
Nov 21, 2007
11:14 AM
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I think if some of these people would put as much time and effort in there own backyards and birds as they do in others backyards they would see the results. They have never been there or even know you but know more about your program then you do.I think it make feel some type of power or boost there ego's or some thing.If they remember we are flying pigeons and not ego's thing would be alot better.Get the facts before you place your foot in your mouth.
John
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Missouri-Flyer
962 posts
Nov 21, 2007
11:30 AM
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it appears to me, that for the most part, that you are referencing yourselfs..Just what I see and read. I am a very good judge of people, and there are many here that say what others want to hear. I have been to none of the posters lofts, but would place money that some say things that they think others want to hear, knowing better.
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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bman
505 posts
Nov 21, 2007
12:02 PM
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Taking a pretty large swipe with that sword Jerry.
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Ron
Borderline lofts
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Missouri-Flyer
966 posts
Nov 21, 2007
12:03 PM
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just calling what I see Ron.
how ya doing with the dogs?..Gone huntin' lately?
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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bman
506 posts
Nov 21, 2007
12:07 PM
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Good,been pretty busy guiding,new pup is setting the world on fire. 5 months holding birds till they flush and retreiving to hand.
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Ron
Borderline lofts
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Missouri-Flyer
968 posts
Nov 21, 2007
12:08 PM
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Nice...heading to Iowa tuesday for pheasant...You up for a trip?
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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bman
507 posts
Nov 21, 2007
12:13 PM
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I would really like to hook up with you some time. I'll be cahsing deer next week.
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Ron
Borderline lofts
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Missouri-Flyer
971 posts
Nov 21, 2007
12:15 PM
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sounds good..Our gun season ended yesterday..Now back to bow hunting...
Email me sometime.. ropingfever at alltel dot net
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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John
89 posts
Nov 21, 2007
12:55 PM
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Jerry,
I have been to some of the guys lofts or talk to them on a regular basis. I don't post that much but if I speak on some thing I'm speaking from facts or the facts I was given from the horses mouth.I just like to call as it is.I have nothing to hide and nothing to gain by telling a lie.So to throw a blanket statement out there I would say is unfair and no my feelings aren't hurt.LOL
John
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Missouri-Flyer
976 posts
Nov 21, 2007
1:03 PM
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John, that statement was not intended for all, as I said, but for some that state one fact, then after re-reading posts from weeks back stating something different, makes a sensible guy think weird thoughts!...
No hurt feeling intended.
I just get a laugh out of some...I am here for the fun, as well as the experience.
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Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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Alohazona
349 posts
Nov 21, 2007
2:29 PM
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Dr LD,
It's just like anything else,I could put fishing right along side roller pigeon flying and countless other subjects.There are people we choose to listen to in life and there are people we choose to turn a deaf ear to,regardless how convincing they are.
The most knowledgable fancier I have ever had the chance to meet is Ivan Hanchett.One of the most no-nonsense and knowledgable guys you'll ever want to meet.Now when Ivan said that Paul Gomez has fast pigeons and even bid on them at the NBRC auction,chances are they are what he says.Now I bid against him at that auction,sight unseen.There was a guy who came in and took about 6 auctions last minute and got Paul's birds.Without even seeing Pauls birds,when I heard someone else was flying them,I asked of there performance.So yes,I will take someone elses word.I don't think theres a roller guy out there at some point in the hobby have had to take someone elses word.It's the human thing to do.Now when some one says to never ever take someone elses word,it tells me they have done it and been burned.I have been burned,but I still do it,if I have a feeling the person saying whats been said is solid.
I am a part-time real estate investor,I would have no deals on the table,if I did not trust people,but experience has told me to always have a plan and a backup plan going in.....Aloha,Todd
Dr.LD,I might have answered one side of your post,but its the one I have experience with.
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J_Star
1304 posts
Nov 21, 2007
3:08 PM
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Aloha, how are you? Reagan told us "Trust but verify". I hope you use that in your business dealings.
Anyway, my post was not to offend anyone or target any individual or group of people, rather it was meant to follow suit with the "sound off" thread and to bring the ills of this hobby to the front so that we all see them and identify them in the hopes we all question our own conduct and behavior. The only way we can heal and bring the divide in this hobby to null is to identify the problem root cause not the symptoms. It is all of us, including me are guilty on way or another.
The best of us should put their egos aside and look at the hobby from a totally different prospective and correct their own mistakes. It takes a man to admit his mistakes to be able to move forward and help the hobby to prosper.
Jay
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3757
280 posts
Nov 21, 2007
3:59 PM
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Aloha - Good post. Growing up as a child my parents did not speak much English. My dad did not have much faith in the "word" only of individuals because he got burned a few times. I try not to offend others and sometimes my words are translated totally wrong. I believe some people hear what they want to here. In each of my classes in the Masters and Undergrad program I write on the board "If you think education is expensive try ignorance." Some of the students translate that phrase as if I am calling them ignorant (an example of incorrect translation). I think we can all agree to disagree and can have an intelligent discussion without all of the hearsay and caca involved. I understand totally what you are saying when a friend tells you something. My good friend John S. and James L. introduced me to Herb Sparkes a couple of years ago. I had heard so much BS and all of it was totally BS. Herb and I have become good friends and he is a great breeder of rollers. All of the hearsay that I heard was totally incorrect and unjust. He is very knowledgeable and I have learned a lot from him. I believe that when you think you know everything you find out you really do not know much because there is so much to learn it would take lifetimes to learn. Once a person understands that they can never know it all they will continue to grow and learn a lot.
Jay - I like what you said in all of your post.
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Windjammer Loft
42 posts
Nov 21, 2007
4:28 PM
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I guess Iam just a simple kinda guy. Like that old saying
"Iam from Missouri. You gota show me and I don't believe anything I hear and 1/2 of what I see".....LOL. I like to keep things as simple as possible.
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Fly High and Roll On
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gotspin7
526 posts
Nov 21, 2007
4:30 PM
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Laron, real good post! I really enjoyed reading all of its contents! I also got to let it out!LOL, Thanks Again!
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3757
281 posts
Nov 21, 2007
4:43 PM
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Gotspn - Thanks.
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Mongrel Lofts
435 posts
Nov 22, 2007
3:55 PM
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Hi J Star,
I guess I'm the odd man out again. What about the guy who has kept a pure line of Birmingham rollers for 50 years. How about those few Birmingham roller men left that respect the breed and would never cross an ice pigeon onto the Birmingham for some rare factor or pattern. What about those few men left out there, That have a family of pedigreed Birmingham rollers that can back up the talk with roll and good kits? You ask, what about all the negatives you can think of you have heard about those purist that keep and respect the breed Birmingham roller. What about the positive side of the True Birmingham roller breeder that has kept the breed pure and still fly's great kits and rollers? What about the few Men who don't chase after oddity's within or crossed into the Birmingham Roller? Like muffed crested rollers and crossed up breeds for color, factors and patterns? What about those few remaining real Birmingham roller breeders left in this breed? You may have never met a man who respects the breed, keeps good records on what he breeds. He Never lets birds from lofts he knows would consider disrespecting the breed by crossing on other breeds for oddity's or color. I agree with you they are few and far between these days, But Jay, they are still out there!!The one's the oddity roller breeders go too, when they need to cross the roll into their newly created rollers. It bothers some that a few stand up and have respect for the breed Birmingham roller. If you have birds that throw Mongrel crossed up colors, or you know you are breeding birds that have been crossed to get crested muffs that look related to mookies. I can understand why these few men would be like a bur under your saddle. No one wants to show roller X swallow on their pedigree, so they degrade those who have kept good records and the breed pure. No one wants to hear,, what the hell is that short beaked, mookie headed muff that rolls? Don't even try and tell me thats a Birmingham roller! Not on this planet or solar system.. Oh, I agree you can get muffed crested mookie's to roll. You can get Ice pigeon X roller with funny feathers to roll also. The thing is, its a roller but its no Birmingham roller!!! I don't care what oddity someone wants to breed, color or other wise.. They pay the feed bill.. I even enjoy looking at many of the newly created roller breeds..The thing that always gets me, is why these newly created oddity rollers don't get named and claimed by their creators?? They insist on calling the crossed up rollers, Birmingham rollers and living off the names of those who truly bred and breed Birmingham rollers.. They want to add and stand on the history of the Birmingham roller while crossing it on other breeds to change it! It truly makes no sense!!!!!!! I can't understand why the guy that says his birds go back to a famous bird like #514 would bother you or anyone else, but the guy who has birds that have the pattern of swallow on their wings and actually does go back to a swallow cross, is considered normal and the same as a pure Birmingham roller. You see no problem with this. If you have crested muff rollers with short beaks and the expression of a mookie, Don't be surprised if someone is baffled if you call it a Birmingham roller. It might roll well, but it is no Birmingham roller. Its a crested, muff, Mookie looking roller! Name these new breeds of rollers and we could all get along great. The Birmingham roller breeder and the American rare colored competition roller breeder. Till then, I guess we the breeders of the Birmingham roller and the colored, muff, crested roller will continue to not be able to understand each other. Simple really isn't it Jay. Respect of the breed will set us all free on both side's of this issue. The Birmingham roller breeder needs to respect the American rare colored competion roller and the muffed crested mookie roller, and you guys need to name your breeds of roller and respect ours. The Birmingham roller! Just My Honest Opinion. KGB
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Missouri-Flyer
988 posts
Nov 22, 2007
6:20 PM
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Kenny,
Have any air left after that speech?..LOL
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Deadendkid
89 posts
Nov 22, 2007
7:19 PM
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kenny my uncle said when it comes to breeding and flying rollers you are the real mccoy and most guys including my uncle couldnt carry your feed can
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J_Star
1316 posts
Nov 22, 2007
7:43 PM
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Yes Dago your uncle was right, however, Kenny needs to cool his temper down sometimes. He cares about the BR so much that the impression he gives is that he is a self proclaimed BR cop which in turn causes allot of backlash amongst the fanciers. He has a legitimate point of view and so does the others from the other side of the pond. I have no response to his post, maybe you can respond to him back since you started to like the crest and the muffs and the color pigeons. Maybe it will do us all good to see it from a kid's point of view. No matter how hard you try to bridge the gap in the so many cultures in the roller hobby, a post like Kenny's just blows things right out of the water. I don't know what else to say.
Jay
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donb
34 posts
Nov 22, 2007
7:44 PM
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Billings, I hope the newer folks in the hobby will see thru your line of crap. I have been reading sinc the first time I logg in to a roller site. Same ol thread-- but I guess u have to have something to buid your ego. Don Bowen
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Mongrel Lofts
436 posts
Nov 22, 2007
9:04 PM
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Thanks Don Bowen,
coming from you, I take that as a compliment. Now run along and breed for some color birds. KGB
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Mongrel Lofts
437 posts
Nov 22, 2007
9:12 PM
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Kid,
I have no idea who you or your uncle are. Maybe drop me a line privately. Kid, enjoy whatever you choose to breed in this hobby. Just don't fall for the old no matter how you cross them up and to what breeds, they are still Birmingham rollers as long as they roll. Like my friend Don B. said, that is just so much BS.. I'm done with this thread.. No time for it. Just thought someone should give the Birmingham roller perspective every now and then.. All you read from these guys taking the sport over now, is disrespect for the Birmingham roller as a breed! The new guys will not know the truth about all the Mongrelization of the breed and what has been done to the Birmingham roller in the name of odd colors and marking before long. Sad but True.. No more from me on this.. KGB
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Ballrollers
960 posts
Nov 22, 2007
9:39 PM
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Kenny,
I wish you and the rest of this list had been alive when Penosm and the others were flying rollers in Birmingham, England. It would have been fun for us to see you trying to convince those guys that only YOU knew what consitutes the "true" Birmingham roller; and that their birds with muffs and crests, dilutes and almonds were not "true" Birmigham rollers just because they were raised in Birmingham, flown in Birmingham, and performed to the standards set for the "true" Birmigham! LOL!
YITS,
Cliff
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crystalpalace
191 posts
Nov 22, 2007
9:55 PM
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Hey Jerry, I told Kenny about all the insulting words J Star wrote about. He had a chance to check it out today and made some responses. When I was a young man living in L.A., Bill Pensom was insulted many times behind his back. These same guys would change their tune when Bill made his appearance. I would ask them where did you guys get your birds? Ray we got our birds from Bill. There was lot of American roller breeders jealous of Bill Pensom back in the good old days. American roller breeders didnt want an Englishman living in the U.S.A. telling them how to breed and fly. There are still many in the U.S.A. and the rest of the world that respect the original Birmingham Roller Ideal Standard including the colors. There has been rare colored rollers bred for more than fifty years and they have never been voted into the original Birmingham Roller Ideal Standard. A National Rare Colored Roller Club would help sponsor all rare colored rollers. Perhaps this would help the roller breed tremendously. The breeders in this country and everywhere else that breed stock from the old Master Breeders and great breeders of today should be complimented. Selecting the right birds for breeders is very essencial in promoting hi-velocity style Birmingham Rollers. The most serious roller breeders will keep the Ideal Standard Birmingham Roller progressing till eternity. Ray
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W@yne
777 posts
Nov 22, 2007
10:16 PM
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Just change the name to:-
Rare Coloured Competition Rollers
Then all this can be put to rest
END OF CHAT.
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W@yne UK
Patience Perseverance Perfection
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hectorvicki2003@yaho
78 posts
Nov 22, 2007
10:38 PM
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KGB
The only crested muff that looks like a mookie is the picture of that crest that i put up from the guy in England.my crest dont have a short beak,and dont look like mookies, the birds with a short beack are actually Bermingham rollers from Norm Reed.so i guess they are aloud to have a short beak.
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
1160 posts
Nov 23, 2007
3:05 AM
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KGB & Nick.I have just this last post on this and I am done too.For now.LOL.
If this is the way you both feel about the True Birmingham Roller being destroyed and going to be lost forever WHY don't you both get together and start The True Birmingham Roller Club and have the standard changed to what you believe it should be.There is nothing holding you back in doing this.No one has changed the standard since its first inception and you have yhe right to preserve it forever.
You both have spent so much time worrying about the BREED being destroyed that I fear someone is going to have a heart attack over it.
So you can either keep on complaining about it or DO something about it.Preserve the Breed while you still have the chance.Get the True Birmingham Roller Standard in legal writing before it's to late.
Then you can holler at me for raising Colored Birmingham Rollers.David
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Velo99
1399 posts
Nov 23, 2007
5:30 AM
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Dave,
We already have a club. It is called the National Birmingham Roller Club. It has standards,rules for the flys,judges,and everything!! Wow imagine that?
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J_Star
1319 posts
Nov 23, 2007
5:31 AM
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Ray, I was really disappointed with your post. Insulting words that I wrote!!!! How interesting. Look around you Ray and you will see that what I wrote is the truth. The ugly truth. In this hobby everyone seems to forget that they are just frigging pigeons. I did not see anybody come back and say that they were insulted; rather there were many praises from several people because I had the guts to put the cause of the problems in this hobby to the forefront. Just you who feels insulted and I am surprised to here it from you. Going and bringing Kenny just to add gas to the fire is not a wise move. Everyone seems in this hobby wants to be the big dog. They just brag so they look to be the big dog and when another big dog comes along they get to challenge each other for the spot. Everyone wants to have an edge over the other just to show that they are the big dog. Go over my first post and tell me which one is not true!!! But on second thoughts maybe they are just insulting to you and not the others. I am really disappointed in your selection of words. Let’s take a vote and see who was insulted and who was not. Maybe we all need to look at the mirror one more time. Please be part of the solution and not the problem.
And if your post about Pensom crap is portraying to me, you are absolutely wrong my friend. I was nice in my response to him because I respect him but I don’t respect his views any more because they are hurtful to so many and I am not afraid to say it to anyone’s face. I don’t backstab people, Ray, if that what you are implying. Extremism is wrong and this nation is at war to protect us from extremism but what I see is it exists here at home. We need to clean our own house before we go and clean somebody else’s; don’t you think!!!
Jay
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Velo99
1400 posts
Nov 23, 2007
5:54 AM
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Jay,
I do believe we have had several threads on why this takes place and we know it is usually due to the shortcomings of the buyers managements styles. Ya know the old adage your birds and feed bill. Bashing has gone on forever and it always will. It isn`t too dificult to assay who is the guilty party. Usually it`s the guys with 47 different strains of breeders and no management skills.
Basically they are justifiying their own inferiority complex.They probably have a dead end job a nagging wife and a kid in jail. When they got into rollers they thought it was the easy way to be a somebody. Buy some good birds from a winner and they`ll do the rest. When it doesn`t work out. IT`S NOT MY FAULT!!!!!!! I spent 800 bux on this kit of garbage. WHY?????? don`t they roll just like Joe Blow`s?
Hmm sometimes it might be time for a bit of introspection and maybe a phone call or three to the breeder.
It aint the birds, usually.
When one gets away from the "norm" of the standard, it really doesn`t do the breed any favors. How can a crested muffed bird roll any better than a regular BR with all the feathers on the feet? Could the same bird be faster without the extra feathering? Probably so in my opinion.
Why waste the energy and resources of the bird growing all of the extra feathering that has no real purpose or value to the breed other than looks?
The bird should be sleek and aerodynamic for maximum velocity with a minimum amount of effort.Remember the bird has to repeat the performance every few seconds. Thats why these traits are frowned on by some "purists". It seems to be a deviation from the original target of the standard.
jmho
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
1162 posts
Nov 23, 2007
6:29 AM
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Kenny.In one of your post you said the NBRC was the Club already in place and with Standards.I agree with you 100%.And I know what that Standard is.Some must not.
In another post you said:
The bird should be sleek and aerodynamic for maximum velocity with a minimum amount of effort.Remember the bird has to repeat the performance every few seconds. Thats why these traits are frowned on by some "purists". It seems to be a deviation from the original target of the standard.
Now if this be true why did Pensom say that at one time all Birmingham Rollers had Muffs? Every few seconds? Now this is when someone is breeding for Competition and not what the True Birmingham Roller was intended for.So where does the Purist start and draw the line at?
I am not a Purist and never will be but if the Purist want to say I am wrong in my way of breeding my rollers then someone needs to show me where I went wrong. David
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Missouri-Flyer
995 posts
Nov 23, 2007
6:49 AM
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Kenny B.
The wording in your post almost sounds like you are refering to 90% of the breeders of the BR.. I know thats not the case, but kinda makes a guy think that he is getting referrenced to, and who isnt breeding for anything but performance.
Velo,
Nice post. I agree with what Billings is saying, and to add to that, he is in his own way trying to shed some light for the new comers to the hobby. Who can blame a guy for doing that?
Ray,
When I read Jays post, I too thought it was kinda prickish, but again, we are here on the internet where things can be said with no recourse of action...Remember everyone, words are just words!... Now if you visit someones loft, and start the shit talking, I know most would step and and confront... I was raised better than to let someone talk down to me.
Ray, I have been to your loft, seen your birds fly, even have some of your blood in my birds, and lets just say, you have nothing to worry about if you think these statements made here are aimed at you.... Take care buddy!
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J_Star
1320 posts
Nov 23, 2007
7:38 AM
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It would be terribly silly if he thought any the statements I made were aimed at him!!!
And for those who think another club is the answer, please think again. The NBRC would not continue to exist just supporting a handful of flyers.
Jay
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Velo99
1401 posts
Nov 23, 2007
8:11 AM
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Dave,
Every few seconds is relative. If they are BR`s they should roll at least once every ninety seconds or so or it`s a stiff.
Muffs at one time Dave, thats right. Lot of difference between now and 1960. Maybe some guys are just trying to revive the "Old School Look"...Your birds,your feed bro.
Maybe we need to define the difference between grouse and muff legged birds.
Anyone who doesn`t know;chime in....
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