smoke747
163 posts
Dec 14, 2007
9:29 AM
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WHO FLEW THE BEST KIT YOU HAVE EVER SEEN BESIDES YOUR OWN?
THE BEST KIT I'VE SEEN WAS AT NORM REED'S IN 88 OR 89
SMOKE747
Last Edited by on Dec 14, 2007 9:32 AM
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W@yne
810 posts
Dec 14, 2007
9:54 AM
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George Mason comes to mind so does Peter Handys a time when i judged his kit around 4 years ago.
Ian Birkits kit on a routine visit also comes to mind
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Regards
W@yne UK
Patience Perseverance Perfection
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smoke747
167 posts
Dec 14, 2007
10:00 AM
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WAYNE, I'M SURE I'LL HERE MASON'S NAME ALOT FROM THE ENGLAND FANCIERS.HE IS A LIVING LEGEND. I AM NOT SUPRISED.
SMOKE747
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Drama Side
33 posts
Dec 14, 2007
10:13 AM
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The best kits I ever seen was Burnetts back in 92 and Keith's earlier this year.
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kcfirl
229 posts
Dec 14, 2007
10:17 AM
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The best kit? Wow, that is a tough one. I can think of 2 that I judged that really stood out.
One was Don Ouellettes kit. I judged him in 2003 or so in one of the big 2 regionals. The kit broke like crazy and every bird was 20+ and fast. The kit ended up going up a bit too high to see as well as I would have liked but it was just awesome down low.
I also judged a kit at Joe Emberton's a few years ago that was very good. The birds were a bit deeper - averaging 25 feet and also fast but maybe not quite as frequent as Don's. I beleive I gave Joe's kit a 1.6, 1.6 for Q and D.
I have had the priviledge of seeing some fine kits at the houses of Scott Cambell, Joe Borges, Chuck Roe, Ramsey Aljouni's, and Jay Starley's, Rich Hayes, Mike wolden, etc. I have seen virtually all of the top flyers in Norcal fly several times each.
Getting out of your backyard and around to the top flyers houses is really the only way to really know what is possible and to begin to understand what good birds really are.
IT sure has been fun!
come to think of it, it's about time to get down to LA to see you guys. I heard there is a good kit or two down there!
Firl
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CSRA
745 posts
Dec 14, 2007
11:01 AM
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The best kit i have ever seen was Robert Parker in 2003 that was a hellava team
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Skylineloft
562 posts
Dec 14, 2007
4:33 PM
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I saw two great kits this year.
One was at Johnny Smiths house, fantastic team.
The other was Willy Wrights kit in the high desert.
Willy was not there to see it himself, he was out of town, family emergency, but there where some fantastic spinners in that team.
I saw some great teams at Tim Deckers & Jerry Higgins as well.
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Ray
Breeding Quality Spinners,
"One Roller At A Time".
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gator45juice
9 posts
Dec 14, 2007
4:59 PM
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Dramaside if you are speaking of the kit Burnette flew in the $$$ fly, that kit that got hit by the falcon, you are right! That was one of the best kits I have ever seen. That kit got hit by the Falcon, broke up in 2 and continued to work like CRAZEEEE! Every bird in the kit was active. That was definitely one of the best kits I have seen. Jerry H's kit in 96-97 was also a pretty nice kit!
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Donny James
184 posts
Dec 14, 2007
5:08 PM
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the bet 2 kist i ever seen was joe roe in '93 and john bender in '94 when they won the world cup
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Skylineloft
563 posts
Dec 14, 2007
5:15 PM
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I would have liked to have seen that Donny,
I herd they where outstanding teams!!!!!!!!!!
Keith,
The Reed kit your talking about.
I wish I had been there. That changed the way we fly rollers here in So Cal and many other parts of the country.
Many of the birds we are working with today came from that kit....
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Ray
Breeding Quality Spinners,
"One Roller At A Time".
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J T
85 posts
Dec 14, 2007
6:19 PM
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After traveling all day for a fall fly last year
a member & my self returned to Wendall Carters
house around dusk. He sent a kit up and they flew until dark.
¼, ½ ¾ & full turns with a full moon as a back drop
was awesome. We traveled all over the East coast
and the beast birds that day was in our own back yard!
JT
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smoke747
168 posts
Dec 14, 2007
6:36 PM
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i've seen good kits at higgins, kevin mc cray,tim decker, abel ibarra, scott camble. these were kits i judged and last but not least steve smith. all scored 800 or better.
smoke747
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smoke747
169 posts
Dec 14, 2007
6:36 PM
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i've seen good kits at higgins, kevin mc cray,tim decker, abel ibarra, scott camble. these were kits i judged and last but not least steve smith. all scored 800 or better.
smoke747
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smoke747
170 posts
Dec 14, 2007
6:38 PM
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hey KCFIRL, HOW IS THE FAMILY?
WHAT DID YOU END UP DOING WITH ALL THAT YARD SPACE BACK THERE?
SMOKE747
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gotspin7
818 posts
Dec 15, 2007
6:20 AM
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I have seen 2 one was at Randy Gibson's he hit 900 on that one he had one 20 bird break! The other I saw at Steve Smith's he 1087 on that one if I remember correctly and they were just like little marathon runners they worked the whole fly, a lot of half turns and 3/4 turns! I still see them in my head sometimes!LOL
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Sal Ortiz
Last Edited by on Dec 15, 2007 6:24 AM
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gotspin7
820 posts
Dec 15, 2007
6:25 AM
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Keith, let me add that he also had some real fast ones! He had a little dark checker hen and a red checker cock that were just a flat stand outs! (they spun)
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Sal Ortiz
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CSRA
757 posts
Dec 15, 2007
6:26 AM
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Sal whats up in the am i am getting ready for the show
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gotspin7
821 posts
Dec 15, 2007
6:28 AM
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Steve, I call you here in a couple, I am going outside to fly some kits! Hit you on your cell then?
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Sal Ortiz
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silentroll
265 posts
Dec 15, 2007
12:27 PM
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My best kit I've seen is Johnny Smith... Never been far enough to see another one...He lives like 10-15 min from me...
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SpinCityRollers
2 posts
Dec 15, 2007
5:11 PM
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Randy Gibson in 2004 and Willie Wright in 2005 good kits
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CSRA
765 posts
Dec 15, 2007
5:14 PM
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Now spincity whats your name Marlon i suspect the number 6 flyer in the Nation good job
Last Edited by on Dec 15, 2007 5:15 PM
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elopez
137 posts
Dec 15, 2007
6:57 PM
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I saw it earlier this year at your house (Keith) they were on fire. Made me apreciate the ones I got from you even more.. The week right after Keith hit around 1100 points in his club fly. Awesome kit, hopefully in the near future I can get one going close to that one...
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
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tapp
490 posts
Dec 15, 2007
9:36 PM
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Wendell Spisak's kit, it was 2006 W/C prelems, he scored 800+ and the kit went flat for 5 min. Do to a seagull flying by. If it wasen't for the seagull no telling what the score could have been! It was an awesome site nice depth!big breaks! Great time!
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Tapp
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mcroller
41 posts
Dec 16, 2007
2:56 PM
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the best kits I have ever seen was yhe late master Monty Nieble before his untimely passing
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smoke747
180 posts
Dec 16, 2007
5:56 PM
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wish i could have see one of monty's kits.
the closes i've ever been to monty's birds was john m. front yard.
smoke747
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spinner jim
205 posts
Dec 17, 2007
8:27 AM
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The best kit for me was Bertie Walton from brum,hes still flying but the hawks have nearly wiped him out,when you saw his kit in the loft there was no uniformaty in colour or markings ,some were odd-eyed miss-marked birds but as a kit in the air they were so busy it was awsome,he won a lot of flys over the years and his birds were much sought after,he close bred a lot of his breeders and the off-shoot of it was that they started throwing a lot of white selfs and these were like gold dust if you could get him to part with them,jim uk.
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Built4Speed
1 post
Dec 17, 2007
9:41 AM
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Bill Torres flew an outstanding kit way back in 1983 when the old CRS was in full swing with all the old timers, that kit I witnessed was the champion kit for that year, back then though they scored the old 1/4 system with no variables, I could only imagine what his score would have been with variables. I was in High School at the time and I could only recall the ooos and awss and how quiet it was in his back yard the whole 20 min.
Dale
SGVS
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elopez
147 posts
Dec 17, 2007
9:56 AM
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Hey Dale,
Nice to see you posting. How's everything going? Not sure if Spanky or Hector told you but we are doing our closed show at my house on the 30th.
Have you gone to Jerry's house yet?
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
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Built4Speed
2 posts
Dec 17, 2007
10:03 AM
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Efren,
Hey bro, yup I am back posting again!!
Tony twisted my arm LOL...........
Thanks for the heads up on the show
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Dale
SGVS
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Ballrollers
1005 posts
Dec 17, 2007
10:27 AM
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It would have to be Clay Hoyle's kit the year he won the 20-bird national title. Three trigger birds flew slightly at the top front of the kit. When they broke, the other 17 birds broke. That kit would break on the straightaway leg of the figure eight without setting up. Every bird rolled thirty feet. At times they would all break 30 feet and continue forward flight at the lower altitude...the whole kit! At other times, they would hover, break 30 feet, hover again, shift 15 degrees on the horizontal and then break again without any perceptible forward movement. That kit had it all, man.
Cliff
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elopez
148 posts
Dec 17, 2007
10:38 AM
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Dale,
Did you get a chance to talk to Brian M. about our show? Let me know if he's interested.
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
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John
110 posts
Dec 17, 2007
12:39 PM
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Smoke,
I'll post some of the birds from Monty. I still have 3 original cocks and 1 original hen. I started out with 10 birds but lost 3 to BOPS trying to fly them when I first got them. I had 7 originals to breed from and I lost 3 over the years that went dry on me.I have 13 pair to work with right now.
John
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kcfirl
230 posts
Dec 17, 2007
9:26 PM
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Cliff,
that kit must have been something to see. I wish I could have been there. WOW!
Ken
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bigwilly
119 posts
Dec 18, 2007
12:37 AM
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I can remember watching Paul Gomez fly his birds from my moms back portch in 1989-90. You talk about some fast birds. I tell you, Paul Gomez has got some of the fastest birds I have ever seen. For real.
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DeepSpinLofts
191 posts
Dec 18, 2007
12:42 AM
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Richard Jaconette in 1981. I was visiting an aunts house in southern California at the the time and was fortunate to see Rich's birds fly.
Marcus
Deep Spin Lofts
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rollermanx0
145 posts
Jan 13, 2008
3:31 PM
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KEVIN McCRAY'S 2002 - 2003 KITS WERE THE BEST DISPLAY OF TRAINING AND PERFORMING I HAD EVER SEEN UNTIL KEITH LONDON'S 2007 KIT!! KEITHE PUT UP OVER ONE THOUSAND AND HAD SOME OF THE FASTES 40' FOOTERS I'VE EVER SEEN!!!
I'M COMING TO GET YOU KEITH...LOL!!
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rOLLerManx0
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diamondrollers
178 posts
Jan 13, 2008
3:41 PM
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the best kit of birds i have ever seen has to be at joe urbons house they were just bringing it it was awsome. The second kit was back in 1999 i went to mr ray sanchez's house they were just smoking i belive it was a kit of smith muffs all blacks god i tried to gets some that day off old man ray it just didnt happend o well lol
Last Edited by on Jan 13, 2008 3:42 PM
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155
110 posts
Jan 13, 2008
5:10 PM
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jose from arizona......
so far in my two years in the hobby i seen some good birds in differnent lofts for example Richard Apadoca, James Domenguiz, and several other guys with good rollers but the most kit that I liked is from a guy that lives here in Arizona his name is Al Luna that flys nothing but pure Mason birds let me explain why this birds have big big breaks and excalient kitting them Mason birds kit well....
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8ball
27 posts
Jan 13, 2008
5:19 PM
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BEST KIT I SEEN WAS AT JAMES BARBER HOUSE HOWEVER THE BEST BIRDS!!!! I EVER SEEN WAS AT RICHARD LUNAS POINTS DONT MEAN MUCH WITH OUT QUALITY SPIN
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CSRA
1129 posts
Jan 13, 2008
6:20 PM
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8ball points is everything in kit comp lol
individual is a whole different comp like compairing 5,000 meter runner to a 100 meter runner to different comp
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0016
38 posts
Jan 13, 2008
10:06 PM
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The best kit I had ever seen was n 1998 Jerry Higgins flew 2 kits that almost all Black White flights,and the kit Tim Decker flew maybe 2 years later;when Monty Nieble judged the World Cup,I think Tim scored like 800 or 1,000 points.
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donut*hole*spinner
7 posts
Jan 13, 2008
10:43 PM
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hey, roller geeks how you doing... the best kit i ever seen was at gary sawyer's house in 1984 1985-ish, i did'nt know what roller pigeons were as i was walking by his home, i actually got startled, as i looked up i saw a water fall of pigeons all in sync, not one out of place, it was a low flying, deep kit around 60 foot, it was something to see, i asked some of my friends what they were, and they told me roller's. next thing i know. i'm building a cage to get in the hobby... since then i have had roller's....
rocky
Last Edited by on Jan 13, 2008 10:45 PM
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gabe454
120 posts
Jan 14, 2008
9:40 AM
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BEST KITS I HAVE SEEN WERE AT EDDIE VERDUGOS HOUSE!
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TRIPLE "G" LOFT
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Steve_uk
314 posts
Jan 14, 2008
10:16 AM
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Best kits ive seen were George Masons on many occasions breaking huge low altitude awsome! Been to Pete Handys twice and both times watched very good kits the 1st time being best it was raining really really bad and the birds just did'nt let up you could see the water coming of them as they rolled.
Lastly Mark Bilton some of the fastest deepest birds ive ever seen but the kitting was terrible shame because they really was very good.
Steve...
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W@yne
937 posts
Jan 14, 2008
10:39 AM
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Ste
I remember Mark Biltons well the quality of his birds where awesome apart from his kitting issues.
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Regards
W@yne UK
Patience Perseverance Perfection
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8ball
28 posts
Jan 14, 2008
7:39 PM
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CSRA I didnt say individual bird i said BIRDS !! RICHARD LUNA wont take the birds out that dont KIT ! so thats why i SAID HE HAS THE BEST BIRDS I EVER SEEN !! not kit
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CSRA
1149 posts
Jan 14, 2008
9:08 PM
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JU JU i understand lol points are everything in kit comp lol no problem mister capitalization i get you
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jerrylynn
44 posts
Jan 14, 2008
9:15 PM
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One of the best kits I seen was at Frank Lavin's place in 1971 he man he had some great spinners up there. He had the goods!!
Jerry Lynn
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gotspin7
1222 posts
Jan 15, 2008
4:41 AM
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CSRA, LOL!
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Sal Ortiz
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big grizz prc1
10 posts
Jan 15, 2008
2:43 PM
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smoke the best kit that i had witness
was @ Rayvon Halls house in compton back
in the 80's which was the first time every
witnessing a full turn. i also witness monster
kits @ keith's to kick off ICRC 07 fly competition
and steve.s house when they flew against CPRC.
and A flipmode's house routinly.
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