Flipmode
30 posts
Jan 07, 2008
2:41 PM
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Hey Knorm Knox thats my kind of bird. Nice Blk'n'Wht!
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ezeedad
240 posts
Jan 07, 2008
4:31 PM
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Thor,
I wasn't in on the certification of that bird, so I really don't know how it was judged. I agree
that certifixation should really be a multiple step process the way your club is doing it.
I was thinking about posting the certification rules that my club worked out.. I bet they are
something like your clubs'.
Gomez
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Mount Airy Lofts
359 posts
Jan 07, 2008
6:36 PM
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This bird here is a bird I am still flying with my old bird team. He is a '06 bred that I would consider to have great style and velocity. He can really let it go in the velocity area when primed. A little short in depth tho 15 - 20'. I love watching this bird in the air but on the ground, he is just weak. Nothing says special when looking at him on the ground. I have written him in my books as being weak in all departments but performance. His colored eye side is nothing special either. He is pegged for the kit box for life.
Thor
Last Edited by on Jan 07, 2008 6:37 PM
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kopetsa
60 posts
Jan 07, 2008
8:13 PM
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Great bird Thor! Nice colour!
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kopetsa
61 posts
Jan 07, 2008
8:13 PM
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Great bird Thor! Nice colour!
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gotspin7
1151 posts
Jan 08, 2008
5:22 AM
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Paul, I am interested in seeing the "PROCESS" that your club used to use!
Thor, he looks like he has been working hard! There is a big difference in a kit bird and a stock bird!LOL
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Sal Ortiz
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Mount Airy Lofts
364 posts
Jan 08, 2008
2:43 PM
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Guys,
I posted this bird to represent one that is weak in character and expression. Thanks for the kind comment any ways :)
I walked into the cock holding pens (my old kit birds were on Winter lock down) the other day and pass by this bird 5 times before I noticed he was even there. I was snatching all the cock fliers and caging them on the roof to remind them that they will eventually see the sky again - also keeps them sharp on their surroundings. Any who, this guy here does not stand out in the crowd one bit. Maybe it is his bull eyes that plays this trickery that he isn't any thing special. Maybe it is because he is very calm and this causes me to pass by without noticing him either. Maybe it is both...
I don't know why but he just doesn't stand out on the ground - especially in a group. Put him in the sky, well that is a whole different story.
Thanks for the kind words, just wanted to show an example of a poor expression/character bird... I could never take a good photo of him. Maybe it is not the camera but the bird himself :)
Thor
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ezeedad
248 posts
Jan 08, 2008
7:12 PM
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Page 50....
"It is a fact that every type of individual... is capable of spinning to the highest degree, and it is for this reason that the breed is so full of disappointments. In the other direction we have full proof of there being one type of bird worthy of our utmost consideration with which we can better uphold the breed in its highest character.
It is of course reasonable to suppose that if a bird does roll and perform to standard it must be of correct type, and carrying with it all the essentials required for the bird to qualify for the stock pen. This, however, is not so, as many years of constant breeding by fanciers has proved. If it were true that every perfect spinner in the air was also an ideal stock bird. our task would become simple for we would never breed any undesirable pigeons......... Bill Pensom
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luis
488 posts
Jan 08, 2008
7:21 PM
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Thor a 97 yr old certified spinner!Now that's something to shoot for.......LOL !
On another note:We are always talking about performance 1st,so why not breed that black & white if it has such awesome velocity!That's the #1 trait we shoot for in our birds.You must have a lot of good birds!
Last Edited by on Jan 08, 2008 7:25 PM
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Skylineloft
876 posts
Jan 08, 2008
7:21 PM
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Paul,
This is true.
But how many time have you takin that great spinner and gave it to someone else just because it did not meet your standards as a roller on the ground just to see that same bird one year later looking like and breeding like a champion. And your saying to yourself, OH S@IT, did I really move on from that bird....LOL The bird does not even look like the same bird. Thats not every case, but it has happened to me more then once......lol
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Ray
Breeding Quality Spinners,
"One Roller At A Time".
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ezeedad
249 posts
Jan 08, 2008
7:27 PM
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Yeah Ray,
These birds can really get ragged and stressed out sometimes, especially when they are in the middle of a molt. You can forget how good they looked as squeakers right out of the nest too... and then thet get ugly. But after filling back out and feathering out...BANG there they are ..looking good..!!
Paul
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gotspin7
1157 posts
Jan 09, 2008
4:33 AM
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Paul and Ray did you guys read my post!LOL, I have done it too many times actually! Just ask Steve!LOL
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Sal Ortiz
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ezeedad
250 posts
Jan 09, 2008
6:42 AM
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Sal,
What post are you talking about...I can't figure out what you are talking about..
Paul
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CSRA
1109 posts
Jan 09, 2008
7:45 AM
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Paul he was talking about his post about stressing his birds out
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Missouri-Flyer
1222 posts
Jan 09, 2008
9:29 AM
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I am lost.
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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Flipmode
33 posts
Jan 09, 2008
2:24 PM
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Here is Character and Expression!
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Mount Airy Lofts
369 posts
Jan 09, 2008
4:38 PM
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Luis,
I still have his Dad kicking them out for me in the breeding pen. Plus, I have better birds flying then him in the air. Not only that, I don't have the time to take care of any more stock birds. Right now, it is about replacement of breeding stock, not about adding. I am close to my ideal numbers 6 pairs. That is pretty much all I have time for currently.
Not stocking has done my flying program a load of good. Let's see how things go this year as our first fly is in March. Master Flier again would sound good under my belt.
The Black badge Cock just doesn't impress me enough to replace any cocks in the breeding pen bred down from his line. I have his father, a full Uncle, a half Uncle, and a Uncle working for me from this line that are producing the goods all ready. I need him more in the air for all to enjoy - well more for me than any one else.
Thor
Last Edited by on Jan 09, 2008 4:39 PM
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luis
492 posts
Jan 09, 2008
5:40 PM
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I figured you had better Thor...must be nice!How long have you bred this family for?What line do they decend from??
Would you post a pic of a brother or some relative that shows expression and is more impressive in your eyes.Just for comparison.
Last Edited by on Jan 09, 2008 5:43 PM
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luis
493 posts
Jan 09, 2008
5:47 PM
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Real nice flipmode.I like that pair!How do the offspring perform?Would you post a pic of 1.Interested in seeing the young off this pair.
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ezeedad
254 posts
Jan 09, 2008
7:19 PM
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Sal... Steve...
I cant find the post you are talking about... I went thru about 7 pages trying to find it.
Paul
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Skylineloft
883 posts
Jan 09, 2008
7:41 PM
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Me too Paul,
I was lost there myself.
Went right over my bald head.....LOL
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Ray
Breeding Quality Spinners,
"One Roller At A Time".
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Flipmode
34 posts
Jan 09, 2008
9:01 PM
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Thanks Luis. That's a new pairing. I'm eager to see the results myself!
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GREED FOR SPEED LOFT
366 posts
Jan 09, 2008
10:32 PM
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Flipmode thats is real nice expression, the cock bird looks confident and proud. Good looking birds with type.
R-LUNA
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Flipmode
35 posts
Jan 09, 2008
10:48 PM
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Thanks GREED FOR SPEED LOFT. I'm crossing my fingers in hopes that they produce some quality offspring.
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smoke747
477 posts
Jan 09, 2008
11:12 PM
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Mike this site has got you back in the grove. Good to have you back.
That is a nice pair. I really like the cock.
smoke747
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gotspin7
1167 posts
Jan 10, 2008
4:21 AM
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Paul, I was actually addressing Thor.LOL Sorry about that!LOL, It is 3 posts below the black n white bird.
Flip, nice!
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Sal Ortiz
Last Edited by on Jan 10, 2008 4:22 AM
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Flipmode
36 posts
Jan 10, 2008
6:47 AM
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Hey I'm back Big Smoke747! And thanks Sal.
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smoke747
480 posts
Jan 10, 2008
1:57 PM
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FLIPMODE, THE MEETING IS BEING MOVED BACK TO NEXT SATURDAY.JUAN CALLED, THE BANDS WONT BE IN TILL FRIDAY(11th)OR SATURDAY(12th). let everyone know if you can.
smoke747
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Skylineloft
888 posts
Jan 10, 2008
2:05 PM
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Flipmode,
Thats a real nice pair of birds you posted!!!!!!
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Ray
Breeding Quality Spinners,
"One Roller At A Time".
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Flipmode
37 posts
Jan 10, 2008
9:13 PM
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No problem Smoke747 I'm on it! And thanks Skyline.
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elopez
328 posts
Jan 11, 2008
11:38 AM
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Thor,
The certified cock is a 99, I believe it was certified in 01 or around there but Keith should be able to give us the exact info.
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
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W@yne
918 posts
Jan 11, 2008
11:45 AM
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Flipmode
I like that pair of birds whats the background history.
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Regards
W@yne UK
Patience Perseverance Perfection
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smoke747
489 posts
Jan 11, 2008
11:48 AM
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Thor, the certified cock bird that Gomez commented on was bred in 1999 and was certified in 2001. He flew three seasons but was 2yrs old when certified. AT that time I didn't lock down for the bops. I flew all year long. He was a R.O.M. COCK in my loft.
smoke747
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Mount Airy Lofts
372 posts
Jan 11, 2008
3:40 PM
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Luis,
Not a good time to take photos. Our highs are expected to be below freezing for the next week or so. I'll try to get some photos of my current team when the weather warms up. I have a Uncle that is just about the same in quality but a tad deeper that I have my eyes on. This particular bird is in the 30 foot range. He has the stronger look and is more appealing to the eyes on the ground. The bird pictured above and the Uncle were both 2006 bred and have flown the same amount of air time. Gives you more of a closer comparison in my eyes than comparing a Mature stock bird to a flier. Reason why I had my eyes on the Uncle is because the father to it is a 1991 bird and is showing his age.
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Father to Black Badge above - Red Grizzle 2004 bred taken right out of the kit box in late 2005 for a photo before I stocked him. Looking at him now, you can not tell they were the same bird. I'll try to take current photos when this season.
Last Edited by on Jan 12, 2008 4:48 AM
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Mount Airy Lofts
373 posts
Jan 11, 2008
3:42 PM
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Luis,
I've had this family since 2000.
Hope this helps,
Thor
P.S. Thanks for the info on the certified Red Check. Mean looking fella.
Last Edited by on Jan 12, 2008 4:49 AM
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Skylineloft
921 posts
Jan 11, 2008
10:46 PM
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Keith,
Do you know if there are any photos of the certified Cock bird you are talking about ?
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Ray
Breeding Quality Spinners,
"One Roller At A Time".
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luis
502 posts
Jan 11, 2008
11:09 PM
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Thanks for the reply Thor.I'm glad you've had success with you family of birds and look forward to more info and pics from you!
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elopez
331 posts
Jan 11, 2008
11:48 PM
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Ray,
The pick is on Paul Gomez post on this topic. Red check self cock. I'll see if I can post some additional photos of him.
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
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elopez
336 posts
Jan 12, 2008
3:56 PM
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Here are additional photos of the Certified Cock.
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
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Skylineloft
922 posts
Jan 12, 2008
4:51 PM
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Elfrin,
Thanks for posting those photos of a bird that was certified. IM not quite sure how people come up with this idea that performance and type do not go hand in hand. Take a good look at that bird. I bet that bird feels real good in the hand as well. GREAT LOOKING ROLLER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Ray
Breeding Quality Spinners,
"One Roller At A Time".
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elopez
345 posts
Jan 12, 2008
5:28 PM
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No problem Ray. I don't know much on how they should feel, but I think he feels just right!
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
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gotspin7
1203 posts
Jan 13, 2008
5:08 AM
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E, have you bred him already? How has he produced for you? He looks like he can kick them out! (roll that is)
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Sal Ortiz
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ezeedad
262 posts
Jan 13, 2008
11:30 AM
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About the look and feel of a good roller.. You can learn as much from the birds as you can from what
people tell you about the birds. Look at your best spinners.. Handle them... The birds can teach you..
What pepole say can be very confusing to the new breeders.. Paul
Last Edited by on Jan 13, 2008 12:23 PM
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elopez
356 posts
Jan 13, 2008
12:00 PM
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Thanks for the advice Paul.
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
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elopez
357 posts
Jan 13, 2008
12:04 PM
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Sal,
Breed him last season, couldn't keep them flying long enough. BOP got them all but some young ones. They were starting to work though.
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
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smoke747
522 posts
Jan 14, 2008
11:52 PM
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E, dont forget about our project with him.
smoke747
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elopez
363 posts
Jan 15, 2008
12:26 AM
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Just waiting on you to say when. Just put him down on a daughter off of Weapon cock and 244. That should be some fire as well.
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
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gotspin7
1220 posts
Jan 15, 2008
4:26 AM
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E, thanks for sharing!
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Sal Ortiz
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gotspin7
2286 posts
Mar 07, 2009
9:01 PM
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good one
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Sal Ortiz
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kopetsa
60 posts
Mar 07, 2009
9:16 PM
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